Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-10 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Sweet! Sorry about that Jochem, I read the one Chapter (7), but didn't follow the referenced links. Obviously, I should have. Thanks, Matt ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with F

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-10 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Matt Quackenbush wrote: > I just read through Chapter 7 of the PostgreSQL docs ( > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.2/static/queries.html) regarding queries, > and could find no examples or mention of a sub-query used in the select > list. 7.3.1. Select-List Items The simplest kind of select lis

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-10 Thread Matt Quackenbush
I just read through Chapter 7 of the PostgreSQL docs ( http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.2/static/queries.html) regarding queries, and could find no examples or mention of a sub-query used in the select list. For example: SELECT t1.foo, (SELECT COUNT(t2.id) FROM tblTwo t2 WHERE t2.id = t1.id) AS m

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Damien McKenna
On 1/9/07 6:03 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: > The only thing I miss in PostgreSQL is eager update-everywhere replication. > There are commercial offerings for that, but all the community offerings are > either lazy or master-slave. I'll second that, I read through the manual and instantly wanted t

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Damien McKenna
On 1/8/07 8:40 PM, Jacob Munson wrote: > I agree, I think every database has some non-standard SQL. An example in MS > SQL is the isNull() function, which is functionally equivalent to the ANSI > standard coalesce(). Why did MS make their own? Now() vs GetDate(), etc. --  Damien McKenna - Web D

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Damien McKenna
On 1/8/07 7:29 PM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: > - non-standard sql It is different to SQL Server, but that doesn't mean that SQL Server is standard compliant either. In 8.x they've made many tweaks to make it even more standards compliant in its syntax, so please have him check his facts. > - diffi

RE: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Dave Watts
> Are you aware of anyone who currently runs MS SQL in case > sensitive mode? I'd be curious to know how often that happens. Quite a few people do this, in my experience. You can specify different collations for each database within an instance. Collations determine other things in addition to ca

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Jochem, I was hoping that you would respond. I've seen a number of your posts regarding PostgreSQL, and certainly wanted your opinion. :-) We all know what opinions are like, which is why I didn't want to just take my friend's opinion as the end-all official truth. Thanks to you all, I believe

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Jon, Thanks for the clarification. Matt On 1/9/07, Jon Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:23 AM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: > > > Thanks for the reply. Do you currently run MySQL and/or PostgreSQL on > > Windows boxes? If so, what version(s) for both the db server and >

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Jordan Michaels
. > > -mark > > > -Original Message- > From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:10 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL > > MS SQL is a fine database, and will get the job done. However, why

RE: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Andy Matthews
- From: Jacob Munson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL > > > - non-standard sql > > Indeed. This is true in some rare cases (like case sensitivity) > however, it seems all databases take some liberties

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Jacob Munson
> > SQL Server also supports COALESCE. And, while the two are very similar, > they > aren't identical in functionality. A Google search on "coalesce vs isnull" > turns up all sorts of mildly interesting stuff. You're right on both counts, Dave. My main point was that MS even bothered to make a n

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Jon Clausen
On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:23 AM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: > Thanks for the reply. Do you currently run MySQL and/or PostgreSQL on > Windows boxes? If so, what version(s) for both the db server and > windows > servers? Both. 8.2 for Postgres and 5.1 for MySQL.XP Pro and Server 2003 for the OS

RE: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Dave Watts
> I agree, I think every database has some non-standard SQL. > An example in MS SQL is the isNull() function, which is > functionally equivalent to the ANSI standard coalesce(). Why > did MS make their own? Who knows, maybe because they liked > their name better? SQL Server also supports CO

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Paul Hastings
Jochem van Dieten wrote: >> wondering if the users here would care to share their personal + vs. - >> arguments for PostgreSQL? > > + rich SQL support > + easy to install / configure > + portable > + low resource usage > + excellent documentation > + great community support > + many options for co

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Matt Quackenbush wrote: > I've always used MSSQL and quite frankly am quite fond of it - except for > licensing costs. I've read a few posts here and there where people have > talked highly of PostgreSQL, so I'm thinking about giving it a shot on a new > server (windows box). I mentioned this to

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Matt Quackenbush wrote: > Thanks for the reply. I forgot to post his specific gripes about it. Here > is a quick summary: > > - non-standard sql I think that depends on what you call 'standard sql'. To me, standard SQL is what is defined in ISO/IEC 9075 and few do better then PostgreSQL in tha

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-09 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Jon, Thanks for the reply. Do you currently run MySQL and/or PostgreSQL on Windows boxes? If so, what version(s) for both the db server and windows servers? The cost is currently not an issue, although it certainly has the potential to become one in the relatively near future, at the current da

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-08 Thread Jon Clausen
Matt, I'll offer my 2 cents: I use both Pg and MySQL daily now. I used MSSQL for quite a time, but being a small company, when I started to think about scaleability and long-term costs I moved all of my projects over to MySQL. Most of my external projects, however, run Pg, so I spend quite

RE: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-08 Thread Mark A Kruger
ROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL MS SQL is a fine database, and will get the job done. However, why pay for a database like that when you can get essentially the same thing for free? I've got nothing but positive things to say a

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-08 Thread Jacob Munson
> > > - non-standard sql > > Indeed. This is true in some rare cases (like case sensitivity) however, > it seems all databases take some liberties in regards to this. I agree, I think every database has some non-standard SQL. An example in MS SQL is the isNull() function, which is functionally e

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-08 Thread Jordan Michaels
Hi Matt, I've responded to your message in-line below: Matt Quackenbush wrote: > Jordan, > > Thanks for the reply. I forgot to post his specific gripes about it. Here > is a quick summary: > > - non-standard sql Indeed. This is true in some rare cases (like case sensitivity) however, it seem

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-08 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Jordan, Thanks for the reply. I forgot to post his specific gripes about it. Here is a quick summary: - non-standard sql - difficult to backup / migrate - user authenication is weak - difficult to setup - difficult to manage Your post was most informative, for sure. But there's one thing that

Re: PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-08 Thread Jordan Michaels
MS SQL is a fine database, and will get the job done. However, why pay for a database like that when you can get essentially the same thing for free? I've got nothing but positive things to say about PostgreSQL, and I'd be very interested to hear what your friend has against it. In my experience,

PostgreSQL vs. MSSQL

2007-01-08 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Hello, I've always used MSSQL and quite frankly am quite fond of it - except for licensing costs. I've read a few posts here and there where people have talked highly of PostgreSQL, so I'm thinking about giving it a shot on a new server (windows box). I mentioned this to a buddy of mine who is a