Actually it turns me off for specifically because it does use this
old
outmoded monolithic view of the things. I prefer a more
encapsulated object-based way of coding.
I'd be quite interested to hear how you are doing this. If you had
time to post a few, even nonworking samples, that
I don't believe Fusebox to be the methodology to use for all application
development. What I have found though, is that Fusebox is good within large
teams (where you may be using contractors) where long-term maintenance of
code is required when you may not be able to refer back to a developer. It
quot;Dick Applebaum" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sean
You do have a point, I have not used the Fusebox technique in a
while... I imagine there new techniques.
that you post (e.g.., "If you can afford SQL Server, you can
afford its own box").
Can you even believe that I am still harping on this?
In all honesty - today. This morning. I was reviewing a Fusebox
application,
to fix some problems within that application. I'm familiar with the basic
I don't believe this is the WHOLE point of
fusebox. It isn't even the PRIMARY reason
I use Fusebox.
best, paul
At 04:05 AM 9/20/00 -0700, you wrote:
You know the whole point of fusebox is to reuse code right? If you are
duplicating code, you are not implementing fusebox correctly.
A question I've had about Fusebox and security/stability. In
some enterprise sites I've dealt with I've found it a good
practice not to pass variables along the URL if possible. It
becomes very easy for someone to "break" the app by altering
URLs - something they actually have access to,
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read read read :o)
Is there *anyone* who doesn't like Fusebox!?
is
Fusebox)
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read read read :o)
Is there *anyone* who do
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No disrespect to Ben, but there are at least two books on fusebox coming out
and I'm quite sure
Is there *anyone* who doesn't like Fusebox!? Certainly seems
that way..
Sure there is. Personally, I don't use Fusebox, and I'm unlikely to use it
for future projects. I don't know that I'd say I don't "like" it, but it
certainly doesn't fit within my development process, nor that of Fig
At 10:39 AM -0400 9/19/00, Dave Watts wrote:
At Fig Leaf, our goals are not to build CF-centric applications, but n-tier
applications. We partition application logic between the application server
(CF), the database, the client, and potentially object tiers between the
application server and the
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I'm sorry, but since when was Front Page or any other WYSIWYG editor
considered a "high-level" development tool?
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At Fig Leaf, our goals are not to build CF-centric applications, but n-tier
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Re: RE: [CF-Talk] RE: Ben Forta, I call on thee (was: What is Fusebox)How
about we take this debate over
font size=3There are many things about the Fusebox quot;standardquot;
that I don't like, and don't use. However, the idea of channeling every
page request through ONE handler file (index.cfm) is a fantastic idea
which has made my life easier not only in Cold Fusion but in Perl CGI
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I don't think it would change the way CF was viewed, or revolutionize
CF or anything. But it sure would make maintaining other people's
code easier :) And in my experience it forces people to develop in a
little more structured and thought-out of a
Monoliths will be all the rage next year :-)
Howie
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Actually it turns me off for specifically because it does use this
old
outmoded monolithic view of the things. I prefer a more
encapsulated object-based way of coding.
I'd be quite interested to hear how you are doing this. If you had
time to
And by the way - I can code a site in the Fusebox style
faster than you can code it straight any day of the week.
And I know the other Fusebox coders would say the same.
There are two problems with your proposition.
1. Faster != better.
You may be able to code something faster, but that
Dave,
You know, I think you guys at Figleaf set the standard for what client
interface should be and your applications are certainly the goal of
programmers everywhere. I also like the thought process behind what you
guys do. And I can't imagine there is anyone that does not appreciate all
the
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Jeremy you are wrong, see my reply to Dave regarding dynamic frames.
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At Fig Leaf, our goals are not to build CF-centric application
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A book written on CF using Fusebox as the
methodology only serves one camp, while the rest of us would be
only annoyed by having to try and use the examples in our own
devlopment implementation. Seems better to write books on how CF
works and
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Jeremy you are wrong, see my reply to Dave regarding dynamic frames.
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At 10:39 AM -0400 9/19/00, Dave Watts wrote:
At Fig Leaf, our goals are not to build CF-centric application
Sean, your last response to Dave Watts ... Is there a chance could
forward that to me. I wanted to print it out and read it more closely,
however, I accidently deleted it.
Thanks.
/mdeane
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Fusebox is a decent methodology. CFObjects and SmartObjects are pretty
cool too. However, since we're talking about structure, let's discuss
learning/teaching a language. I feel that it's extremely important to
separate language from methodology.
If teaching [insert your favorite methodology
replacing it for anything.
Duane
eMPower Project Manager
Ektron, Inc
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I would have crippled as a
programmer when I moved from a Fusebox to a non-Fusebox
environment. Never mind, I probably wouldn't have gotten the
"non-Fusebox" job to begin with because my programming skills would
have reflected the
resulting
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-- Reply to Dave Watts.
From Dave Watts' message
Sean
You do have a point, I have not used the Fusebox technique in a
while... I imagine there new techniques.
At 12:34 PM -0700 9/19/00, Sean Renet wrote:
Dick, I think you need to spend a bit of time looking at new techniques that
are being used in fusebox. I have similar logic solutions in
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read read read :o)
Is there *anyone* who doesn't li
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I want to learn Fusebox from
fusebox.org
read read read :o)
-Mark
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I want to learn Fusebox from the beginning. Where to start
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