RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

This thread is in context with CF. -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 September 2002 19:27 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR I am seeing a lot of *FLASH* talk on here.. its

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Igor, I certainly am 'broad' when it comes to Macromedia :p. I am well aware of who works for/with MM and indeed I have spent a great deal of time on all the mentioned application alpha and beta apps and indeed I have seen some cool stuff. But what I am saying it not dont use it but more like

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

so you are using an animation tool and doing no an animation? I may just be a tad blinkered, but its like using IE to browser text files and not HTML doesnt make sense... -Original Message- From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 September 2002 15:35 To: CF-Talk

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Neil, do you see any advantage to one-page data presentation and maintenance interfaces as opposed to multiple-page interfaces? Rick -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

It depends, yeah sure its 'cool', but do you really gain from using a flash movie? sure, you get the movie in the browser window and you dont have to reload the page persay - but you still have to load the information into the movie and this effectively is your page load. Multiple Page

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Oh and to add...you have a look at all the examples and SOTD etc.. and you see how many are cool, and have aninamation etc (I woudl say 100%) this is where the npower lies, but not everyone has this power.. funky and cool sells apps, there is nothing wrong with that, but on a whole; its

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Actually, I think it makes a lot of sense. I just needed a form with side by side list boxes, make a selection in one and the second is populated with selections that change based on what was selected in the first. Try doing that simply and easily in HTML (without screen refreshes). Flash,

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Actually, I think it makes a lot of sense. I just needed a form with side by side list boxes, make a selection in one and the second is populated with selections that change based on what was selected in the first. Try doing that simply and easily in HTML (without screen refreshes).

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

OK then, will I get a super discount on Flash from MM - say 98% as I am only going to use 2% of its features? :-) nah, didnt think so.. N -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 September 2002 16:38 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash for data views :

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Neil, Sure you will, as soon as Microsoft discounts most of the cost of Office and Word considering what percentage of its features that are actually used, and as soon as MM discounts CF considering 90%+ of usage is 5 tags (hey, we DID discount CF, oops! g) ... I don't think anyone here is

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

I'm not sure by what you mean by see it in your OS, but it would be similar to using, say Excel. Instead of jumping around to different pages to add, update, delete info, you just type directly in the field and it changes, without having to go to an Action page for processing. One screen is all

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

I wouldn't expect many of the Flash SOTD's to not use animation to get recognized as cool. But even Pet Market's use of animation is more functional than eye candy. They move the images into different areas of the screen to make room for new info, not so much to make the app attractive. If

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Also, I'm trying to say, that in the business world, funky and cool *don't* sell many business apps...functionality and ease of use sell more apps... and that's what many of us see as the strength of Flash now... Rick -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Exactly! -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR Actually, I think it makes a lot of sense. I just needed a form

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Wish I could figure out how to do that... :o( I'm still trying... Rick -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Rick, I like that Trio car company ap better than the broadmoor application. Have you seen that one? It does use a little animation for the drill down engine, but it's got a great examples of both the select box component, calendar component and the tree component. -mk -Original

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

I am wrapping an article on just this for next months CFDJ. Also, there will be lots of this type of stuff covered at DevCon next month. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

i think this is where our disconnect is. I don't see Flash as just an animation tool. I also see it as a development tool to create rich user interfaces, which do not necessarily have to include animation. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Hi, Mark. No, I haven't downloaded and viewed that app, yet. I plan to, and will. Hopefully I can learn something from it. At least it'll probably inspire me to keep struggling! Thanks for the tip! Rick -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

Got any scholarships, for independent developers? ;o) Rick -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR I am wrapping

Re: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

I am seeing a lot of *FLASH* talk on here.. its kinda disturbing... was wondering if Michael can move all the FLASH talk to another discussion Group (CF-TALK-FLASH) or something like that. Joe - Original Message - From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL

RE: Flash for data views : WAS Ben's J2EE Book, now new course t o be offered by MACR

YES, that is a great analogy. Using flash to present data IS like using IE for viewing Text Documents (sorta), but what's wrong with that? Viewing remote txt documents in IE is in no way inferior to notepad; in fact, I think it's better because you don't need to launch another application, and