Joe, don't mean to pick on ya. But it's pretty funny :)
There is NO point made here...unless u want you brief.
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From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:59 AM
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC
No, I don't have any theories, just observations. If there
are two ways to do something, and one works better than the
other, I'll recommend the one that works.
How do you OR i know...what works... unless you spent a few
un-productive hours testing for what works? If i spend alot
of
Eugene
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From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
lol. I see you've gotten so worked up, you're just babbling now.
Ah well. You could always try using PHP. Or maybe
Yes, most developers just want to get something working and go home...
and then there are others who... are passionate about what they do...
Which one do you belog to :)
And yet others are passionate, but read the documentation for a product and
find out that a particular method to solving a
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
No, I don't have any theories, just observations. If there
are two ways to do something, and one works better than
Eugene
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From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Yes, most developers just want to get something working and go home...
and then there are others who
No, I got the point.
You like to complain.
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From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
LOL..
Yes, most developers just want to get something working and go
Dave..
I know plenty of people running CFMX production servers right now. They might
disagree with your conclusion about releasing too soon. Maybe if you want to use
ODBC to talk to your AS400 DB2, but that's a pretty small segment of users I
suspect.
I have been able to come up with an
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From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Dave..
I know plenty of people running CFMX production servers right
now. They might disagree with your conclusion about
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From: Andrew Tyrone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03/07/03 02:56 PM
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
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From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
The problem that I see is that a lot of people who do nothing but complain
about a *supposed* CFMX bug waste a lot of time because they
refuse to call
tech support.
And how much does it cost to call Tech Support? I need to get a bug in
FlashMX addressed, but from their site it looks like it's
Am just bringing up issues here...FOR the General GOOD
OF CFMX!.
It's one thing to say, hey, there's a problem and it should be fixed if
possible. It's another thing to say that the product shouldn't have been
released because of it.
IF the Community/MM thinks a CFMX BUG is trivial, i can
Friday, March 7, 2003, 4:38:38 PM, you wrote:
Am just bringing up issues here...FOR the General GOOD
OF CFMX!.
DW It's one thing to say, hey, there's a problem and it should be fixed if
DW possible. It's another thing to say that the product shouldn't have been
DW released because of it.
IF
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Am just bringing up issues here...FOR the General GOOD
OF CFMX!.
It's one thing to say, hey, there's a problem and it should be fixed if
possible. It's another thing to say that the product shouldn't have been
released because
on CF OR CF Tags.
IF CFMX problems dont get fixed.. developers will eventually start looking at
alternatives... Just Simple Fact.
Joe Eugene
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From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03/07/03 04:38 PM
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia
I think one of the root causes of this kind of frustration
is that it's very difficult to know what the status of a
fix is. The bug list isn't public, and if it is available
to anyone outside of macromedia they don't mention it anywhere,
or are limited by some kind of nda.
We ran into
would put into request or something like
that..
Yes.. this would be nice.
Joe
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From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03/07/03 05:02 PM
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Friday, March 7, 2003, 4:38:38 PM, you wrote:
Am
Kevin Graeme wrote:
The problem that I see is that a lot of people who do nothing but complain
about a *supposed* CFMX bug waste a lot of time because they
refuse to call tech support.
And how much does it cost to call Tech Support? I need to get a bug in
FlashMX addressed, but from their site
Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Some kind of bug database would probably go a long way towards
alleviating some frustration. Java, PHP, and MS all have public bug
databases...why
This was brought up about 3-4 months ago.. during the time of the LAST
Community manager that left MM...
Nothing came out
It's another thing to say that the product shouldn't have
been released because of it.
It might be your nature to release BUG/GY applications...
I Dont operate that way.
So, you're saying that if there's ANY bug at all in CFMX, it shouldn't have
been released? I'd still be waiting for my
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
I think one of the root causes of this kind of frustration
is that it's very difficult to know what the status
Just out of curiousity what does MM use internally for defect tracking?
I've often thought that Allaire's and now MM's knowledge base was very
weak. The articles are very difficult to find due to the poor searching
and often not specific enough to the many product versions in use.
A really good
We have a completely new search system in place now, so that may address
some of your concerns.
mike chambers
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From: Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've often thought that Allaire's and now MM's knowledge base was very
weak. The articles are very
I've often thought that Allaire's and now MM's knowledge base was very
weak. The articles are very difficult to find due to the poor searching
and often not specific enough to the many product versions in use.
I am not especially happy about the new website, but the search capabilities
are
Hallelujah (about your search results, that is). :-)
Deb
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From: Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
I am not especially happy about the new website
We have a completely new search system in place now, so that
may address some of your concerns.
I haven't checked it out yet. No problems in the last few days. ;^)
But if it works, GREAT! I do agree with the other posters that bugs
should get special treatment in the knowledge base - even
: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
It's another thing to say that the product shouldn't have
been released because of it.
It might be your nature to release BUG/GY applications...
I Dont
Mr. Watts can defend himself, but you completely missed the point of his
answer.
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From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:52 PM
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
So, you're saying that if there's
I am NOT saying ANY.. software is not perfect!. We are
not talking about one specific issue... CFMX has had numerous
issues... (Check Updater Docs... if you want to start counting
them)
Every complex software product I've ever seen has numerous bugs. I'm not
sure why you'd expect CFMX to
but you completely missed the point of his answer.
There is NO point made here...unless u want you brief.
Joe Eugene
-Original Message-
From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
Mr
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website(ODBC)
I am NOT saying ANY.. software is not perfect!. We are
not talking about one specific issue... CFMX has had numerous
issues... (Check Updater Docs
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