[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Barry Beattie
all this cfscript talk... can I just have a step debugger...and breakpointsand watches pretty please? On 5/9/06, Gary Menzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Damn good suggestion. > > I had previously suggested the idea of having another CFSETTING attribute > (something like "lang") to set it a

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Gary Menzel
Damn good suggestion.I had previously suggested the idea of having another CFSETTING attribute (something like "lang") to set it as a default for CFSCRIPT.There are dozens of ways they COULD implement it and not BREAK previous versions. GaryOn 5/9/06, Chris Velevitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Chris Velevitch
On 5/9/06, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - ECMA compliance will break existing cfscript & MM/Adobe won't break > backward compatibility in CF. It might be better get Adobe to update the cfscript tag to include lang="ecmascript" that way it opens to door to lang="java" or whatever your

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Scott Barnes
On 5/9/06, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People often forget that CF is geared towards entry level web > development - "make pdf's and reports in 5 minutes" is the sweet spot > for CF - not proper OO, or more elegant/advanced language features. Not really, ASP is the same overall whe

[cfaussie] Re: [OT] Flex2 Beta 3

2006-05-08 Thread M@ Bourke
I had a brief dab/look over the sample appsstill am yet to run accross a flash app that I think is better then an html app to be honest.back in 2001 I thought flash was gunna be the be all and end all of everything but from my perspectice (someone who doesn't follow flash) it hasn't done anything i

[cfaussie] ECMA and script (was Re: [cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?)

2006-05-08 Thread Haikal Saadh
An easy solution to that would be to have or maybe even ? > - ECMA compliance will break existing cfscript & MM/Adobe won't break > backward compatibility in CF. > -- Haikal Saadh, Applications Programmer Teaching and Learning Support Services K405, Queensland University of Technology, Kelv

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Gary Menzel
They can retain the GT/LT for backwards compatibility.And, adding new or alternative operators to a parser IS easy - if you have written the parser correctly (I've built enough of them in the past to know this). Yes, fully ECMA compliant, and fully backwards compatible would be a BIG ask.But - if w

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Gary - ECMA compliance will break existing cfscript & MM/Adobe won't break backward compatibility in CF. - I doubt very much whether writing/implementing a language/syntax and all the stuff that goes with it could ever be called an easy thing to do. Maybe your definition of easy is a little

[cfaussie] [OT] Flex2 Beta 3

2006-05-08 Thread Gareth Edwards
Its out! http://labs.adobe.com Not sure how many people on this list have been playing with it, but I'm a little frustrated they removed the functions setCapture() and releaseCapture() Cos... I'm a newbie and they were really handy functions to use to capture the events for something on the s

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Gary Menzel
Many people (myself included) have raised this issue before.  Just make CFSCRIPT ECMA compliant (at least in regard to operators).It would HAVE to be a very simply thing to do but MM/ADOBE have always said there were bigger fish to fry. I guess with the upsurge in AJAX (and more people getting into

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Robin Hilliard
I've had something like this on the backburner for a while - create a tag to enclose snippets of Java code. The tag wraps the code with appropriate Java class header/footers, saves it in a temp file, creates an instance of javac and compiles the temporary file, instantiates the resulting

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Barry Beattie
> I also think that break points are an extremely long shot. awww... Mark, that's mean! I can dream, can't I? at least your beanie isn't worried forbeing your next meal... BTW, they *have* been looking into debugging hooks, it's just not easy to implement at the moment. one of those decisio

[cfaussie] Re: consuming web services with complex input types

2006-05-08 Thread Scott Arbeitman
doesn't really help. i could examine the wsdl and parse it, etc but seems like a lot work. i need some like wsdl2java, but for cf. i know i can use wsdl2java with cf, but am trying to avoid classpath dependacies. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message bec

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Dale Fraser
The reason most people don’t use cfscript is because it’s incomplete.   If it supported everything, especially in cfc’s I think most developers would code all cfcs in cfscript where ideally there should be no HTML if your separating your view and model. Regards Dale Fraser F

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Haikal Saadh
Most customers wouldn't know what's good for them if they got run over a B-double full of it :D /Philosophy seems to work for 37 Signals... Joel Cass wrote: *snip* > "We should all be using .net because our customers want it"). *snip* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread M@ Bourke
The last time there was the whole cfscript debate we found the majority more often used the tags then scripting corfields breeze thingo had a poll that showed this.hence the M in the CFMSome people want CFM to be so much like other languages that they could simply use those other languages, Person

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Mark Stanton
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'll eat my hat if CF8 has significantly enhanced cfscript support. I also think that break points are an extremely long shot. On 5/9/06, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've had the exact same thoughts, more along the lines of writing the code > in a fa

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Joel Cass
Slightly off topic, but in my tutorial last night we were talking about organisational culture and politics in different industries. People in my tutorial come from a broad range of backgrounds, including government departments, large management firms, research companies, and IT. Were were asked t

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Dale Fraser
I've had the exact same thoughts, more along the lines of writing the code in a familiar like java and preparsing / compiling the code back to cf stuff. It wouldn't be that hard, I was thinking supporting a simple java syntax rather than cfscript so that I could get rid of those pesky gt lt bits.

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Haikal Saadh
I've actually fantasied taking that 10%, wrapping in functions, and injecting in on startup to web-inf.component. Or extend web-inf.component, and include those methods, and have all my code extend the new and improved component. Has anyone done this yet? If not, why? Dale Fraser wrote: > I'd

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Shane Farmer
On 5/8/06, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: now if pricing is simply the only reason for changeing why not php or 1 of the many other free languages over .net? you already said they are using windoze, so no use me saying cf on linux may be cheaper then .net on windoze :S   When you consider

[cfaussie] Re: Where have all the CF developers gone?

2006-05-08 Thread Vorn
On the subject of acronyms: CLAP - Coldfusion, Linux, Apache, PostgreSQL - A combination that works well for me. Be careful communicating this acronym to management if english is not your first language :) Vorn. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message b