Re: [CinCVS] The term Insertion Point is used throughout the manual..

2006-09-30 Thread Raffaella Traniello
Pierre, I agree. I'd be very happy if the manuals had different words for different meanings. _Cursor_ for me is the mouse cursor. If I had a glossary at the beginning of the manual I would have fight less for understanding. Thanks Raffaella On Sat, 2006-09-30 at 09:22 +0930, Pierre Marc

Re: [CinCVS] Doubtful fade keyframe

2006-09-30 Thread Raffaella Traniello
Thanks Pierre! I've the pleasure of understanding in all my body!! I'm using Cinelerra 2.0 CV (no idea of which SVN revision number). It took me a while to get to the automation range, but at the end I got there. It was set to -1264.00 to 1392.00. Now that I set it 0-100 everything in the video

Re: [CinCVS] title effect

2006-09-30 Thread Bernhard Frühmesser
Nicolas wrote: On Sat, Sep 30, 2006 at 12:53:48AM +0200, Bernhard Fr?hmesser wrote: ... The file is available at: http://www.fruehmesserkeg.at.tf/images/Title.img ERROR 404: Not Found. =/ Weird, it´s there. When i click on the URL i get the download dialog in Mozilla with the options

Re: [CinCVS] title effect

2006-09-30 Thread Herman Robak
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 00:53:48 +0200, Bernhard Frühmesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 01:55:04AM +0200, Herman Robak wrote: Now, how about having a close look at the result, and figuring out what the problem is? Then file bug reports. I would certainly like a more

[CinCVS] audio levels

2006-09-30 Thread Raffaella Traniello
Hi all! With the aim to set the correct range for fade keyframes in audio tracks I'm now struggling with audio levels. On Internet I learned that we can hear from silence (0 Db) up to over 140 Db (a bomb). So why to set the automation range from -80 to 6? Are these number referred to Db? What

Re: [CinCVS] audio levels

2006-09-30 Thread Herman Robak
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 16:14:14 +0200, Raffaella Traniello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! With the aim to set the correct range for fade keyframes in audio tracks I'm now struggling with audio levels. On Internet I learned that we can hear from silence (0 Db) up to over 140 Db (a bomb). So

Re: [CinCVS] audio levels

2006-09-30 Thread mskala
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, Raffaella Traniello wrote: On Internet I learned that we can hear from silence (0 Db) up to over 140 Db (a bomb). So why to set the automation range from -80 to 6? Are these number referred to Db? The dB scale actually measures *ratios*, or differences in loudness, not

Re: [CinCVS] Doubtful fade keyframe

2006-09-30 Thread Pierre Marc Dumuid
Huh, depends on how you look at it. I personally like to be able to gain above 100% (which results in the user needing to be wary of wrap-around), but at the same time, I don't want it to saturate because I know that for saturation, the following code: value = value 255 ? 255 : value;

Re: [CinCVS] Doubtful fade keyframe

2006-09-30 Thread Pierre Marc Dumuid
Raffaella, I advise upgrading to the lastest SVN version.. In the older versions, (prior to r898 , see http://cvs.cinelerra.org/svn_log.php) the automation range was used the same for all automations, which didn't make sense, (cause audio typical range is -40 - 6 dB, whilst video generally

Re: [CinCVS] audio levels

2006-09-30 Thread Pierre Marc Dumuid
In Cinelerra, there is a configuration setting for how low you want the level meters to go. I discoved that this is for the meter only, and the minimum that cinelerra forces to -Inf dB is -40 dB!! See cinelerra/virtualanode.C which contains: if(fade_value = INFINITYGAIN) fade_value = 0;

Re: [CinCVS] Doubtful fade keyframe

2006-09-30 Thread Pierre Marc Dumuid
Oops, I just realized that the video fade actually controls the opacity, (alpha) and isn't really a gain as such. When the alpha goes to 101, it wraps around and perfectly explains what the Raffaella saw (and I can replicate). I have just applied a patch to fix this. Pierre. Pierre Marc

Re: [CinCVS] Doubtful fade keyframe

2006-09-30 Thread Herman Robak
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:22:46 +0200, Pierre Marc Dumuid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh, depends on how you look at it. I personally like to be able to gain above 100% (which results in the user needing to be wary of wrap-around), but at the same time, I don't want it to saturate because I

Re: [CinCVS] audio levels

2006-09-30 Thread Johannes Sixt
On Saturday 30 September 2006 17:45, Pierre Marc Dumuid wrote: Prior to discussions with j6t on IRC, I had been considering setting the INFINITYGAIN as a property of the current project (thus 24 bit audio freaks could specify huge attenuations). j6t advised against this (micromanagement), but

Re: [CinCVS] audio levels

2006-09-30 Thread Robert Persson
On Sat, 2006-30-09 at 16:51 +0200, Herman Robak wrote: Someone mentioned the fader did not completely mute the sound at the lowest level; that would be a bug! Forgive me if I say something that has already been said before, since I have only just joined this list, but I have encountered this

Re: [CinCVS] audio levels

2006-09-30 Thread Herman Robak
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:45:23 +0200, Pierre Marc Dumuid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I discoved that this is for the meter only, and the minimum that cinelerra forces to -Inf dB is -40 dB!! See cinelerra/virtualanode.C which contains: if(fade_value = INFINITYGAIN) fade_value = 0; and

Re: [CinCVS] audio levels

2006-09-30 Thread Pierre Marc Dumuid
20*log10(2^24) = 144.5 dB though if you consider that 1 bit is taken up for the sign (i.e. + or - ) then 20*log10(2^23) = 138.5 dB ( Note how 6 dB = 2x ) Pierre Herman Robak wrote: On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:45:23 +0200, Pierre Marc Dumuid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I discoved that this is

[CinCVS] [Bug 287] St9bad_alloc error

2006-09-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2006-10-01 02:46 --- Well, I don't think crashing is a normal behaviour for an application when there's no more memory available on the system. Displaying an error message or using swap would