RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-06-05 Thread Jack Nalbandian
[NRF] Oh, believe me, I understand your central point. Trust me, you're getting across just fine. [JN] No, apparently I have been yet again unsuccessful in getting a simple point across. The onus is yet again on me. Let me explain again. [NRF] However, surely you would concede that having

Re: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-06-03 Thread Carroll Kong
This sort of thinking is why I've decided to skip the CCNP and just work on the CCIE. As long as Cisco keeps it insanely difficult with the lab exam being the majority of the work required it will be valuable. -- John A. Kilpatrick Go for it! Skip the CCNP

RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-06-01 Thread Jack Nalbandian
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483] Jack, I would submit the following 2 points: First off, the fact is, college is on the whole proven

RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-06-01 Thread James Edwards
you need to do your job now. My two cents... From: Jack Nalbandian Reply-To: Jack Nalbandian To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483] Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:29:56 GMT I still seem to be unable to get across the central point. It does not matter what

RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-06-01 Thread Jack Nalbandian
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John A. Kilpatrick Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483] On 5/24/03 6:53 PM, in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack Nalbandian wrote: My opinion on the matter remains the same

RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-06-01 Thread n rf
Jack Nalbandian wrote: I still seem to be unable to get across the central point. It does not matter what is more potent or more reliable than the other. The point is that neither should be either undervalued or overvalued by way of unfair propaganda and preconceptions. I have

RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-06-01 Thread Dom
: RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483] I still seem to be unable to get across the central point. It does not matter what is more potent or more reliable than the other. The point is that neither should be either undervalued or overvalued by way of unfair propaganda and preconceptions. I

RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-05-31 Thread Jack Nalbandian
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John A. Kilpatrick Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483] On 5/24/03 6:53 PM, in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack Nalbandian wrote: My opinion on the matter remains the same

Re: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-05-31 Thread n rf
Yes, but it is the case for enough folks that it has started to cheapen the certs, just as grade inflation has damaged many universities. (For example, Stanford may be more prestigious than Berkeley, but at Stanford you can drop a class up to the day of the final. At Berkeley the deadline

RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-05-31 Thread n rf
Jack, I would submit the following 2 points: First off, the fact is, college is on the whole proven to be a significantly more useful indicator of success than any cert. Think of Cisco itself. You would think that if any company knew the value of the CCIE program, it would be Cisco itself. Yet

Re: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]

2003-05-30 Thread John A. Kilpatrick
On 5/24/03 6:53 PM, in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack Nalbandian wrote: My opinion on the matter remains the same: a bachelors is functionally overrated by the typical manager. It depends on what you think the degree says. It doesn't say I know the Cisco CLI like the back of my hand. But