Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-29 Thread nrf
> >> In the ATM world, PNNI certainly is more evolved than standard OSPF, > >> but it still would need extension for current concepts of traffic > >> engineering. Why do the work twice, once for IP and once for ATM? > >> Optical routing is another concern; I've been bothered that layer 1 > >>

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with LANE. One big advantage of Bind is QoS. Regards, Alaerte "MADMAN" @groupstudy.com em 20/09/2002 18:32:04 Favor responder a "MADMAN" Enviado Por: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Assunto: Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737] LAN

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-21 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
> > >At the risk of starting a religious war, I've never understood why MPLS >is >> >so IP-centric. It's not called IPLS, it's called MPLS. With only a few >> >exceptions, most MPLS initiatives I see presume that devices are running >an >> >IP stack to handle control-plane mechanisms. >> >>

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-21 Thread nrf
> >At the risk of starting a religious war, I've never understood why MPLS is > >so IP-centric. It's not called IPLS, it's called MPLS. With only a few > >exceptions, most MPLS initiatives I see presume that devices are running an > >IP stack to handle control-plane mechanisms. > > Look at the e

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-21 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
> > And in that space, MPLS is rapidly catching up as an alternative to >> ATM and raw SONET. It's no accident it's called "ATM without cells". >> MPLS, and especially MPLS VPNs, do have more of a telco learning >> curve than ATM. > >At the risk of starting a religious war, I've never underst

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-21 Thread nrf
> And in that space, MPLS is rapidly catching up as an alternative to > ATM and raw SONET. It's no accident it's called "ATM without cells". > MPLS, and especially MPLS VPNs, do have more of a telco learning > curve than ATM. At the risk of starting a religious war, I've never understood why MPL

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-21 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 5:16 PM + 9/21/02, Chuck's Long Road wrote: >""nrf"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> Let me just add that while I agree that things like LANE are dying, ATM >over >> WAN is an extraordinarily important service in the sense that WAN ATM, as >> opposed to

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-21 Thread Chuck's Long Road
""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Let me just add that while I agree that things like LANE are dying, ATM over > WAN is an extraordinarily important service in the sense that WAN ATM, as > opposed to IP, actually generates profits (and significant profits at

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-21 Thread nrf
Let me just add that while I agree that things like LANE are dying, ATM over WAN is an extraordinarily important service in the sense that WAN ATM, as opposed to IP, actually generates profits (and significant profits at that) for the provider. Practically every provider right now is losing mone

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-20 Thread YASSER ALY
I do agree with this. ATM is a vanishing technology over LANs afer the GigEthernet came to the world. The only reason for ATM to survive would be using ATM over WAN. Save your time and effort and don't get into LANE headache. >From: "MADMAN" > >Hopefully none!!! > > ATM is mostly dead in the LAN

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-20 Thread MADMAN
LANE is still used by a couple of customers and I have in the past simply binded PVCs to VLANs and routed accross. I did this when the customer had purchased LANE cards, big bandwidth, but didn't actually need LANE. Dave Ken Chipps wrote: > > Thanks, to the several that pointed out that ATM

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
earn Hope helps, Alaerte "Ken Chipps" @groupstudy.com em 20/09/2002 17:09:19 Favor responder a "Ken Chipps" Enviado Por: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Assunto: Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737] Thanks, to the several that pointed o

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-20 Thread nrf
ut I do not know if it is deployed out there. > > Regards, > > Alaerte > > > > > > > > > "MADMAN" @groupstudy.com em 20/09/2002 16:55:04 > > Favor responder a "MADMAN" > > Enviado Por: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Para: [EMAIL PRO

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
09/2002 16:55:04 Favor responder a "MADMAN" Enviado Por: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Assunto: Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737] Hopefully none!!! ATM is mostly dead in the LAN with the advent of 100/1000M ethernet and 10G starting to trickle out.

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-20 Thread Ken Chipps
Thanks, to the several that pointed out that ATM is dead in such an environment. I know that. What I mean is in the case where it is already in place, how do they do it? Assuming for whatever I reason I do not want to or cannot get rid of the ATM as the campus link, how is such a thing configured?

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-20 Thread MADMAN
Hopefully none!!! ATM is mostly dead in the LAN with the advent of 100/1000M ethernet and 10G starting to trickle out. I know someone will point out and exception but it will be the exception not the rule. Just say no!! to LANE Dave Ken Chipps wrote: > > I have been reading up on ho

Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-20 Thread nrf
Actually, the answer is probably neither. The real answer is often times to source/sink the circuits at the edges and route between the campus buildings. ""Ken Chipps"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I have been reading up on how to configure ATM on Cisco equip

Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]

2002-09-20 Thread Ken Chipps
I have been reading up on how to configure ATM on Cisco equipment. In particular I have been looking at examples of how ATM is used in a campus network, such as to connect two buildings. The Cisco documents for the 8510 MSR for example discuss configuration using LANE clients, MPOA, Classical IP,