I really like nim from just tinkering here and there. If i was looking to
do what you are i'd go with nim or ocaml.
Since i'm not exactly the most helpful person here i'd suggest you contact
Dennis Felsing his blog is http://hookrace.net/
and his github is https://github.com/def- he'd be
Alan, there was an attempt at compiling Clojure to C,
https://github.com/schani/clojurec , but it hasn't been updated in a while.
On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 11:00:02 PM UTC-4, Alan Moore wrote:
All,
I just ran across Nim (previously Nimrod) which is a garbage collected
systems
Hi Alan,
Yep, you can cross compile the output from Terra - you can even set it up
to output compilations dynamically for any platform you want. Replacing
LuaJIT with Lua would just be a matter of changing the library that you
link when building Terra itself. As Timothy pointed out, Pixie is
Paul,
I'm quite impressed with what you and Timothy have done. I'm taking a third
look at Pixie and cljs-terra. Is there any chance that cljs-terra could run
on generic lua instead of terra/luajit?
The main problem I'm having is that anything that isn't interpreted (or
that generates C/C++ I
I'm just going to echo a few things -
Timothy and I have talked at length about Clojure-like languages on other
platforms. His ideas and general approach have led to some very promising
work (Pixie), and I can personally vouch for RPython as a platform. My
ideas led me to Terra (
Alan, have you looked at Clasp? I'm not sure if CL is something you like,
but maybe it has potential for your application.
https://github.com/drmeister/clasp
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Using clj-bots/chat is fine with me. If there ends up being much noise with
respect to this specific native compilation thread vs the project as a
whole, we can set up another gitter channel.
Cheers
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Alan Moore kahunamo...@coopsource.org
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All,
Looks like
2015-05-05 2:04 GMT+02:00 Alan Moore kahunamo...@coopsource.org:
Herwig - I like your suggestion re: rclojure. That seems like a harder
but more fruitful approach than other porting options. Do you have any
references to this kind of approach in other languages?
It could be argued, that
All,
Looks like I have some more research to do... A year or so ago I looked
into going the Python/PyPy route but it's PPC support had previously
stalled. I was intrigued by it's interpreter/tracing JIT structure.
It seems to me that there would be a huge win, similar to the Clojure/JVM,
Tim,
I agree that porting enough of rpython to run pixie seems like the best way
to get started on a given bare-metal platform. Not least because pypy's
contributors would certainly be sympathetic to that effort.
Still, a piece that I'd really love to see is, what I call rclojure: That
is, tools
Hi Alan,
Don't be deterred - it's a great question... Some people are just having a
separate conversation in the one thread ;)
I think there is a threshold in your domain, which gives a different answer
on each side.
The easy side is for something RaspberryPi or Arduino-sized (or bigger),
where
Hi,
Wanted to mention two more languages, that might be interesting:
Hy: http://docs.hylang.org/en/latest/ (Lisp that targets Python's AST, has
Clojure flavoured syntax)
newLISP: http://www.newlisp.org/ (at least FFI seems simple:
http://www.newlisp.org/newlisp_manual.html#import)
- Kimmo
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In my world the JVM is a non-starter. I don't care if it fits in a ring (
http://www.javaworld.com/article/2076641/learn-java/an-introduction-to-the-java-ring.html),
culturally it just won't fly. Even Forth has a better chance of making it
than the JVM.
Re: Zulu embedded - Intel/AMD x86. Please
I've looked around intermittently for something Clojure-esque to fill
the scripting/sysadmin void and Pixie is the only thing I've come across
which inspires hope. The only remaining issue for me is whether it can
tap into existing (Python) libraries as that's what tends to swing the
vote for
Chris,
I'll watch the video and then head on over - talk to you soon.
Alan
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On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 4:58:37 PM UTC-4, raould wrote:
Another possibility is https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme.
It
compiles Clojure to Gambit Scheme to C to metal.
another possibility is to stab oneself in the eye with a sharp stick.
just sayin'.
:-)
Hear,
Have you guys seen pixie yet?
It seems like there's overlap for the requirements here.
https://github.com/pixie-lang/pixie
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Herwig Hochleitner hhochleit...@gmail.com
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I think Nim is pretty cool (conceptionally, haven't used it yet) and full
of wonderous
I have seen it.
PyPy (the platform for pixie) hasn't the reach of even LLVM, let alone
plain C, so while there might be overlap in other areas, pixie is a
no-starter for non-mainstream hardware.
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You have clearly looked into this more in depth than I have... Thanks for
sharing your thoughts. I missed the part about the wonky case insensitivity
(truly bizarre and hazard prone IMHO) and have not looked into the type
system/inference so I can't comment just yet.
I'm not partial to Nim in
Well RPython (what pixie is built on) is C...so you get quite a bit of
reach there. And I'd be tempted to say that it would be easier to adapt the
existing RPython PPC backend to Freescale PPC than it would be to get Nim
to play nice with Clojure semantics.
And let's not forget, RPython can be
Tim,
I went with what I saw on http://pypy.org/features.html ... runs on Intel
x86 (IA-32) , x86_64 and ARM platforms, with PPC being stalled Not
sure if that's just for the JIT, but if it were, they would list non-JIT
platforms separately, no?
I'm aware, that you use RPython directly, but
Yes, I when we finally get around to doing binary releases I plan on
shipping x86_64, x86 and ARM7 binaries, as those are the platforms I have
access to.
The other thing that would hinder adoption to other platforms is most
likely the stacklet library (lightweight threads), Pixie uses this fairly
Agreed re: PyPy, Pixie. I got excited when I first saw that project...
As an alternative to straight C I've thought about targeting Lua but also
wonder how much that buys you... TBD. I thought I remember reading someone
going down that route - anyone?
Alan
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I think Nim is pretty cool (conceptionally, haven't used it yet) and full
of wonderous features: From the hands down awesome, like the a la carte GC,
its AST - based macros and optimizations and effect system to positively
weird stuff like its partial case-insensitivity (foo-bar == fooBar ==
Another possibility is https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme. It
compiles Clojure to Gambit Scheme to C to metal.
another possibility is to stab oneself in the eye with a sharp stick.
just sayin'.
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Hah; I have no experience with it. Is it that bad?
At least there's another Lisp in there. Lisps all the way down!
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Raoul Duke rao...@gmail.com wrote:
Another possibility is https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme.
It
compiles Clojure to Gambit Scheme
I just would guess that anything other than an embedded JVM would
be... poor r.o.i., to be polite.
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Well... Correct me if I'm wrong, but this entire thread is about compiling
Clojure to native targets. Are folks here really talking about embedding a
JVM?
Has cljs been poor roi? :-)
Chris
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-7, raould wrote:
I just would guess that anything other than
all i'm trying to say is that the more layers of indirection you add,
the more i won't give you any money on kickstarter.
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Another possibility is https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme. It
compiles Clojure to Gambit Scheme to C to metal. It's been a couple of
years since there was any activity on that project, but it's possible some
attention there could get it where you need it.
Nim seems interesting
Both Nim and Pixie ultimately compile to C, and would have just as many
layers of indirection.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Raoul Duke rao...@gmail.com wrote:
all i'm trying to say is that the more layers of indirection you add,
the more i won't give you any money on kickstarter.
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I'd assumed that pixie, like other projects using the RPython toolchain,
was itself compiled, but ran as an interpreter. Is that not the case?
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Christopher Small metasoar...@gmail.com
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Both Nim and Pixie ultimately compile to C, and would have just as many
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Raoul Duke rao...@gmail.com wrote:
Another possibility is https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme.
It
compiles Clojure to Gambit Scheme to C to metal.
another possibility is to stab oneself in the eye with a sharp stick.
Yeah... well, I do that on
Both Nim and Pixie ultimately compile to C, and would have just as many
layers of indirection.
aand they are all insane for anything other than learning
themselves at this point, i'd hazard to guess. but i'm a realist, who
knows. i'd rather go for a real jvm e.g. azul's embedded stuff, or
My goodness, there are other things than Clojure in the universe.
People have been making native software with real languages for
ages. There's probably even some that are fpish or heck go get an
actual lisp that's been used for ever (franz, allegro, ecl, gambit,
chicken, clozure, tinyscheme,
I hear you Alan.
I'm just a hardware hobbyist, but I've been working on a Clojure library
for abstracting away some of the differences between different boards
(Raspberry Pi, BeagleBone Black, etc): https://github.com/clj-bots/pin-ctrl.
Currently, my best bet for Arduino is to use Firmata, but I
All,
I just ran across Nim (previously Nimrod) which is a garbage collected
systems programming language that looks like a suitable target for
transpiling Clojure. See:
http://nim-lang.org/
My goal in looking at this is to have Clojure available in native code on
real-time embedded systems
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