citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-04-22 Thread vrakade
For the purposes of academic publications (in areas well outside of SIGPLAN and such), are there any preferred citations for Clojure and EDN? Or could a recommendation for a citation for both (especially EDN) be proposed if there isn't one currently? -- You received this message because you ar

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-04-22 Thread Alex Miller
I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, but the EDN spec is https://github.com/edn-format/edn and was written by Rich Hickey. Seems like that is what you should cite. I don't know what it would mean to "cite" Clojure - it is software, written by many people over a period of years. Rich Hi

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-04-23 Thread Phillip Lord
Cite the URL. It's the correct identifier, it's got the relevant data on it, and it's archived in archive.org. If the journal editor or other academic tells you that you need a "proper" academic reference, just ignore them, because they are wrong. Phil writes: > For the purposes of academic p

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-04-23 Thread Christopher Small
I have never had to cite Clojure, but I have cited other software packages that didn't have publications. In general, if there is an actual academic publication, it's best to cite that. Frequently there isn't of course, and in those cases I've cited the web address. Cheers Chris On Wednesd

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-04-23 Thread Phillip Lord
Actually, I am not sure I would agree. For example, there are quite a few publications on Scala but most of the academic publications are about something; so, the semantics of it's type system, or the blending of function and OO or so on. So, which should you cite? Well, you could pick the languag

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-04-23 Thread Ben Wolfson
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Phillip Lord wrote: > > The idea that you can't cite websites is a conceit that ensures that > academics continue to spend a 1000s of pounds a paper on puplication > costs, when you can achieve much the same with a blog, some metadata and > archive.org. > > Ah, tha

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-04-23 Thread Christopher Small
I'm not disagreeing with you. When you're talking about a language, and none of the papers specifically points to the language as a whole - that's fine. But in the case of specific software packages/programs, I think it is often better to cite a paper if it exists. For example, if I write a paper t

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-04-23 Thread Ambrose Bonnaire-Sergeant
Here's a good citation for Clojure: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1408682 Thanks, Ambrose On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Christopher Small wrote: > I'm not disagreeing with you. When you're talking about a language, and > none of the papers specifically points to the language as a whole -

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-04-24 Thread Phillip Lord
Ben Wolfson writes: >> The idea that you can't cite websites is a conceit that ensures that >> academics continue to spend a 1000s of pounds a paper on puplication >> costs, when you can achieve much the same with a blog, some metadata and >> archive.org. >> >> Ah, that was good, I feel better no

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-05-15 Thread Giovanni Gherdovich
Hello, On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 4:42 AM, wrote: > > For the purposes of academic publications > (in areas well outside of SIGPLAN and such), > are there any preferred citations for Clojure and EDN? loosely related to this old thread, today I have read that github has worked out a way to stick a D

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-05-15 Thread Phillip Lord
Giovanni Gherdovich writes: >> For the purposes of academic publications >> (in areas well outside of SIGPLAN and such), >> are there any preferred citations for Clojure and EDN? > > loosely related to this old thread, today I have read that github > has worked out a way to stick a DOI ( > http:/

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-05-16 Thread Jony Hudson
On Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:58:50 UTC+1, Phillip Lord wrote: > > > Again, based on the dubious ID that an DOI "makes things citable". > > A URL is already citable! > Well, there's no shortage of broken links out there to suggest that people have trouble keeping content associated with stable

Re: citing Clojure and EDN?

2014-05-19 Thread Phillip Lord
Jony Hudson writes: > On Thursday, 15 May 2014 14:58:50 UTC+1, Phillip Lord wrote: >> >> >> Again, based on the dubious ID that an DOI "makes things citable". >> >> A URL is already citable! >> > > Well, there's no shortage of broken links out there to suggest that people > have trouble keepin