Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement

2014-03-01 Thread dwight
Bob I could not find out what if any surface pre treatment is required on the metal parts before you apply this paint, only the cure process. I wonder where it is used on re-entry vehicles having worked for years studying fire barrier coating materials like intumescent paints; usually an R

Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement

2014-03-01 Thread Chuck S
Bob, Hope your life insurance is paid up. That stink can't be good for you to breathe. Never knew anyone to paint the inside of a pipe. Isn't there an A4 website that discussed this issue? I like Dwight's idea to use stainless steel. McMaster-Carr has fittings of every type in 304 or 316.

Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM from CC 32 available

2014-03-01 Thread Chuck S
Son of a gun. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: Chris Price iceboa...@comcast.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:26:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar 2GM from CC 32 available My son has a 40hp Go Devil that

Re: Stus-List Looking for a used Harken MkIII Unit 1 Reefer or parts for a MKII Unit 1

2014-03-01 Thread Rick Brass
Dennis, et al; OK. I know I'm cheap and use a lot of less expensive alternatives to popular gear. For example, all the hardware on both my boats, except stuff I've not gotten around to replacing yet, is Garhauer not Harken. My anchor windlass is Anchorlift (from Scandanavia) instead of Lewmar

Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement

2014-03-01 Thread Rick Brass
I really do appreciate the sense of adventure and discovery in trying out new things for the boat. But sometimes the tried and true alternatives are still a good choice. A few years ago, a buddy and I helped an old guy at my club recondition and sell a Pearson 30 he was getting too old

Re: Stus-List Help me win a free sail!

2014-03-01 Thread Rick Brass
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Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement

2014-03-01 Thread Joe Della Barba
At my Home Depot the black iron is next to the galvanizes pipe and is about the same price. I can tell you galvanized pipe DOES stink up the boat with an A4. Been There Done That. I also would not want to be eating any food from the oven you used for your paint curing experiment! I am not even

Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement

2014-03-01 Thread Gary Nylander
Hey folks, black pipe works quite well. Gary - Original Message - From: dwight To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 4:48 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement Bob I could not find out what if any surface pre treatment is

Re: Stus-List Help me win a free sail!

2014-03-01 Thread Joel Aronson
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Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread j...@svpaws.net
I'm but an accountant not an engineer. Help me understand this stuff.. So if I use a 1990 34+ as the baseline, the hull was a composite of vinyl resin, presumably glass matt and chopped strand, balsa core and Kevlar. Now fast forward to 2000 and my early 121. The glass Matt has been replaced

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread Jim Watts
Glass mat and chopped strand are the same thing...CSM. The 34+ was probably a layup of CSM, woven roving, and kevlar in a vinylester matrix with balsa core. E glass is the same basis as woven roving, just a different weave. Cloth is a lighter version of roving. The woven roving in the 34+ and the

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread Chuck S
You sound on track, though you should start with a solid fiberglass hull like the 1961 Alberg 35. Surprised the spec shows only 12600# displacement. Checking the brochure info, the 1990 34+ used biaxial fiberglass/kevlar hybrid laminate with (waterproof) Hydrex isothalic NGP resin w aircraft

Re: Stus-List Exhaust Riser Replacement

2014-03-01 Thread dwight
In salt water it can stress crack fairly easily and then you will have salt water spewing out all over your engine and engine space.at least that is what happened on my 27.stainless is well worth the extra cost but it too will eventually fail, nothing lasts forever and for whoever got 18 years out

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread dwight
Balsa core rots when it gets wet but it is quite strong on end if ebcapsutaed but a solid surface like a several layers of glass matt in cured polyester or other resin...aligned E glass fibers used with knowledge of where the stresses are highest offer more tensile strength than chopped strand and

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread Graham Collins
From hand layup, to vacuum bagging, to resin infusion and/or pre-preg. Graham Collins Secret Plans CC 35-III #11 On 2014-03-01 4:25 PM, Chuck S wrote: You sound on track, though you should start with a solid fiberglass hull like the 1961 Alberg 35. Surprised the spec shows only 12600#

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread Ken Heaton
The schedule for the 1990 37+ Below the waterline the layup was one layer 1 oz. chop, one layer 1 oz. mat and one layer of C77K/200 Kevlar Fabmat (a blend of fibreglass and kevlar 49) outside the balsa and one layer of C72K/100 Kevlar Fabmat inside. This Fabmat is much heavier than the 1 oz.

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread Ken Heaton
Oops, make that 1.5 oz where ever I said 1 oz. I think the changes in materials over the years makes less of a difference that what Graham said, From hand layup, to vacuum bagging, to resin infusion and/or pre-preg. Reducing the amount of resin using these techniques results in a hull that is

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread j...@svpaws.net
Thanks - was confusing the terms mat and roving. Wish the book was still in print - will need to find a copy. John Sent from my iPad On Mar 1, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Jim Watts paradigmat...@gmail.com wrote: Glass mat and chopped strand are the same thing...CSM. The 34+ was probably a layup

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread j...@svpaws.net
So vacuum bagging essentially draws the resin into the substrate as opposed to just letting it sink in? I could see how that would be more precise and require less resin. On that note, resin adds minimal strength but bonds ? All questions. John Sent from my iPad On Mar 1, 2014, at 3:25

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread j...@svpaws.net
yes, clearly balsa would rot when wet where as the core cell would not. Presumably the latter would just delaminate much like a blister? Is the advantage of the foam core that any moisture intrusion would be more localized? Is there a weight and/or cost benefit? I would guess the balsa

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread Ken Heaton
As I understand it, yes. The resin has strength but yields more that the reinforcement. When a load is applied to a composite, the resin stretches enough (while the reinforcement stretched less for the same load) to shift all the load onto the glass or carbon or kevlar. The resin just holds it

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread Graham Collins
Vacuum bagging clamps everything and draws out air bubbles, gives a more consistent result with less resin. Resin infusion is vacuum bagging on steroids, you pull a vacuum and you inject resin at pre-set points, the resin is drawn in with great control - so even less material, better results.

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread j...@svpaws.net
Got it - thanks John Sent from my iPad On Mar 1, 2014, at 8:54 PM, Graham Collins cnclistforw...@hotmail.com wrote: Vacuum bagging clamps everything and draws out air bubbles, gives a more consistent result with less resin. Resin infusion is vacuum bagging on steroids, you pull a

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread sam . c . salter
Most of the tension and compression strength in a hull thickness is at the inner and outer edges. The balsa/foam/core cell? (that's not the right word, but my brain is full at the moment) is a lightweight centre to keep the outside and inside strength members apart. (like the web of a H beam

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread Dennis Cheuvront
John, For more info, go here: http://www.fibreglast.com/category/Learning_Center Lots of info on resin infusion, fiberglass fabric, roving, mat, and lots of stuff you don't want to know about. Articles and videos. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 7:16 PM,

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread Rich Knowles
All I know is; people on the inside, water on the outside. Works for me. Rich On Mar 1, 2014, at 22:52, Dennis Cheuvront capt...@gmail.com wrote: John, For more info, go here: http://www.fibreglast.com/category/Learning_Center Lots of info on resin infusion, fiberglass fabric,

Re: Stus-List Help understanding composites

2014-03-01 Thread Jim Watts
Depends on the water temperature and the state of undress of the participants. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 1 March 2014 20:32, Rich Knowles r...@sailpower.ca wrote: All I know is; people on the inside, water on the outside. Works for me. Rich On Mar 1, 2014, at