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Joel,
I purchased a Beta 30 from Beta Marine in NC. The engine has almost exactly the
same specs as the old Universal M-35, including the 16” mounts
with tier 3 or 4 or something, emissions.
Regards,
Bill Coleman
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Calypso
1971 CC 43
Seattle
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Thanks Tom. I might be able
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Edi
Just curious about your rpm?s at 7.2! I assume you have it floored? I would
like to go feathering prop on my next haul out. Mine is HM35F I think
Rick,
With the 30HP Universal M-35, 2400 RPMs got me to 7.2 knots (Warp 7.2).
All the best,
Edd
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Edi
Just curious about your rpm’s at 7.2! I assume you have it floored? I would
like to go feathering prop on my next haul out. Mine is HM35F I think? Thanks
Rick
Paikea CC 37+
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Joel,
I purchased a Beta 30 from Beta Marine in NC. The engine has almost exactly the
same specs as the old Universal M-35
Edd
What did you end up doing?
Joel
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Chuck,
That is a good deal for a Yanmar, but I'm going with a Beta 30. It's the
closest match mount-wise and the same horsepower as my dead M-35.
Also, not to downgrade
Joel,
I purchased a Beta 30 from Beta Marine in NC. The engine has almost exactly the
same specs as the old Universal M-35, including the 16” mounts.
The people at Beta, especially Farron Peffer, have been tremendously helpful
during each step of the process. They answer every question and
I would be more than happy with Warp 7.2 again (7.2 knots). I guess we’ll
see…..
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
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On Jul 10, 2015, at
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Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh
Joel,
I purchased a Beta 30 from Beta Marine in NC. The engine has almost exactly
the same specs as the old Universal M-35, including the 16” mounts.
The people at Beta, especially Farron Peffer, have been tremendously helpful
Hi Edd,
Been following your predicament and saw this on my local Craigslist.
I have no idea on how or if it would fit, but is seems like a hell of a
deal.
http://capecod.craigslist.org/bpo/5095335244.html
Good luck with getting back on the water soon!
Chuck B
CC34 Elusive
Somerset, MA
On Fri,
Chuck,
That is a good deal for a Yanmar, but I'm going with a Beta 30. It's the
closest match mount-wise and the same horsepower as my dead M-35.
Also, not to downgrade the Yanmar name, but I called two Yanmar dealers last
week and did not get return phone calls. Farron at Beta in NC has been
John,
Wow — Did not consider that at all. I’ve started a claim with Travelers and
they will send somebody down next week. Not sure it’ll be covered, but, if it
is, will be a great savings.
Thanks! Hope to see you in September (9/11-9/13) at the Rendezvous.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M.
and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 CC 34
Noank, CT
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All,
I appreciate the comments and advice — as well as the freedom you have with my
checkbook.
But, in the end, you’re right. I’ve heard some horror
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 6:29 AM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List
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On another note, our insurance paid for the engine and install but not for
redoing the exhaust. They would not pay for the cause of the problem but
would pay for resulting damage. I want to say
. Ricci
S/V Patriot
CC 37+
Bristol, RI
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Listers,
The yard
Water Phantom
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Listers,
The yard
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Listers,
The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to
turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something.
So, as far as I can see, the options
: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:38 PM
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On a happier note - this could be the first ever episode where Scotty gets to
say “Captain, the impulse engines can’t handle it but warp drive is good to
go”…
John
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Charlie,
The Enterprise’s displacement is 18,500 and Farron at Beta thought that the 30
would be the best fit to get the boat to it’s normal 7+ knots under power with
the two-blade prop.
I’m having trouble reconciling the $14,000
favourite sail (Yanmar)
Mike
Persistence
3GM30F
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Charlie
Russ,
It was determined that it’s sea water in the engine, not antifreeze (raw water
pump was leaking and the antifreeze “tank” was full. Therefore, it can’t be the
head gasket as the culprit (I’m told the salt water system never gets up that
high — just the antifreeze). All of the injectors
Jerry,
If I weren’t in Western LI Sound and only going between the mooring field and
the starting area, I’d consider that. But I cruise and often, when cruising,
I’m in light to no air with a destination to get to. So, I find myself powering
and at 7+ knots for 2-6 hours. I don’t know of any
I bent a rod on my previous Yanmar 3GM and had it rebuilt. The engine ran, but
very rough. Never sure how it happened but perhaps overly long cranking during
start. Was not nearly as expensive as repower, but also did not add to resale
value in any way I could see. Dave
On Jun 25, 2015, at
All,
I appreciate the comments and advice — as well as the freedom you have with my
checkbook.
But, in the end, you’re right. I’ve heard some horror stories about rebuilds
(they sometimes don’t go 100% to specs and cut corners to get the job done
faster) and, in the end, you end up with a
Edd,
Sounds like you are on the right track. Don't forget that the old engine
has some value as a core.
While the engine is out, it is a good time to clean paint add insulation as
needed.
Joel
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All,
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I bent a rod on my previous Yanmar 3GM and had it rebuilt. The engine ran, but
very rough. Never sure how it happened but perhaps overly long cranking during
start. Was not nearly as expensive as repower, but also did not add
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Russ,
It was determined that it’s sea water in the engine, not antifreeze (raw
water pump
Brass
Washington, NC
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Russ,
It was determined that its
: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:25 PM
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Charlie,
The Enterprise’s displacement is 18,500 and Farron at Beta thought that the
30 would be the best fit to get the boat to it’s normal 7+ knots under power
with the two-blade
Tim,
Thanks. I spoke with him. He doesn’t have a M-35 and, at best, I’m looking at
4-6 weeks of rebuild time with him. He said he’s swamped, so I took that as
more like 6-8 weeks.
Won’t go with him.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City
Charlie,
The Enterprise’s displacement is 18,500 and Farron at Beta thought that the 30
would be the best fit to get the boat to it’s normal 7+ knots under power with
the two-blade prop.
I’m having trouble reconciling the $14,000 price tag (engine, shipping, est.
labor), but the idea of a
Edd,
Have a Beta 25 in our 33-ll, replaced a yanmar 2GM20, hardest part was removing
the old engine. We went with a bigger engine that just fit the space, but the
rails fit perfectly we had to add spacers under the mounts.. Local machine shop
did them in an hour or so.
Love the new engine,
Check with Joe Demers at Sound Marine Diesel in CT. Country's biggest
Beta dealer and he is a wizard with all makes. His prices are generally
a little better since he sells so many engines.
http://www.soundmarinediesel.com/
Bill Bina
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Ron
Ronald V. Ricci
S/V Patriot
CC 37+
Bristol, RI
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Listers,
The yard is pulling
Edd,
I am currently working with Al at Schooner Bay Imported Engines (who
provide most of the listing at Diesel Engine Trader). A Yanmar 3GMF30 was
advertised on a 3-week lead time and I am (hopefully) going to get it
shipped 6 weeks from order date. Just my experience; I'm not saying it is
Sorry Ed, this seems to have gone from bad to worse.
At this point, I personally wouldn’t mess with a rebuild unless there was a
significant price difference - 5k or so which probably isn’t going to happen.
Yard bills are the same either way. I’d vote for whatever gets you back in the
water
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Listers,
The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to
turn more than
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Bristol, RI
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Listers,
The yard is pulling out
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Hi Edd,
Wasn't this a suspected head gasket leak a while ago? Then confirmed suspicion
finding discoloured oil (grey) and cranking
Hi Edd,
Wasn't this a suspected head gasket leak a while
ago? Then confirmed suspicion finding discoloured
oil (grey) and cranking with no firing? So now
it's probably just hydraulic'ed and they want to remove the whole puppy!
Did anyone try barring it over with the injectors removed?
Listers,
The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to
turn more than 3/4 of the way and they think it’s a bent rod or something.
So, as far as I can see, the options are:
1. They ship this engine to a place that can fix/rebuild. I know this is the
-
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Listers,
The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t get it to
turn
Edd,
So sorry to hear this! You might check with these guys:
http://www.dieselenginetrader.com on rebuild time/price.
Joel
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List
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Listers,
The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine tomorrow. They can’t
Geeze, ed, I'm so sorry for your troubles... I think if it were me, I'd call
Hansen Marine in mass and see what a new universal would cost... I think the
26hp one was like $8500.00 from some research I did a short time ago... Hansen
Marine Eng. Inc.
Tioga Way, P.O. Box 1106
Marblehead
George
CC 40
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Listers,
The yard is pulling out the Enterprise’s engine
If you can get the exact same engine I'd do it. It will minimize issues
with the engine stringers and mounts, and alignment. I'm assuming you
were happy with your existing engine (when it was working.)
I replaced my Perkins 4-108, which in my opinion had no business being
on this boat, and
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