I wonder what the motion on a cat would be like. On a mono hull the roll is
dampened by the wind on the sails. On a cat there is
that wide stance. Anyone here have comparative experience?
Steve Thomas
CC27 MKIII
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I took a 46' cruising cat from Florida to California, then later from LA to
Hawaii. My overall observation is that a cat goes over every wave twice;
first one hul then the other goes over the wave so the motion is much
jerkier than we're used to on a monohull. In beam-on waves, the hulls float
I've rethought this. I'd haul the cc, winterize her, cover her and head for
the airport.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
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Motion is way different. Going to windward it is BANG BANG if the waves hit the
bridgedeck. The motion can be much nicer too off the wind, but it is not as
predictable. You can't get in the groove to move around on deck as well. It
seems just at random times the boat jerks a few inches one way
My limited experience on a 44 foot cat between Virginia and No. Carolina was
not fun. Funny motion as the cat has a sidewards motion on top of the up and
down. Plus, in waves, the cat gets hit by the water between the hulls and it
sounds like someone is under the boat with a sledge hammer
There used to be a large cat ferry between Yarmouth Nova Scotia and Bar Harbour
Maine that was fondly known as the Vomit Comet. It and other cats I've been on
live up to the name. Mono hulls for this kid.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On 2013-09-05, at 10:05, Gary Nylander
Simply stated, It can be like driving a Jeep over a plowed field.
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35mk-1
At 05:08 AM 05/09/2013, you wrote:
I wonder what the motion on a cat would be like. On a mono hull
the roll is dampened by the wind on the sails. On a cat there is
that wide stance.
Correction, Elizabeth Harbour, Great Exuma.
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Well, when you're cruising you will spend most of your time at anchor, but
few cruising cats sail well, and sailing well is part of the attraction for
me. And cats are expensive. I have a friend who is cruising his CC 40 CB
around the West Indies as we speak, and I know of a CC 40 with a bobbed
LOL!
Got it. That is an analogy I can relate to from personal experience.
I think that I want to get a boat more suited for longer term cruising and I
have been looking for a few years now trying to
decide. I am torn between the Winnebago-on-the-water boats that don't draw much
water and the
Hi Steve. I have to chime in on the Cat v Mono debate. There are good
cats and not so good cats (we call em dogs - or condomarans) - just like
monos. I spent 5 years and 30K miles on a Switch 51 cat with my wife and
two daughters. My boat prior to that was a CC 27! We are now back in the
USA
Don't forget trimarans. A Condor 40 will do over 20 knots and not spill your
drink!
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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Their boat is very well thought out for passagemaking. Plumb bow, transom stern
with little overhang, big A sail on a sprit, and fat-head main are not only
19th century Bristol Channel Cutters, but 21st century race boats too and
J-105s/120s etc. if you leave the square-top main off. Also note
All these mods add up... which underscores a point I made in the past. In
today's market conditions, it simply doesn't make sense to outfit a boat
that's not ocean or cruise ready. It makes far more sense to buy a boat
that's 95% of the way there and then add the small mods that it is
missing.
Coincidentally, there is a sistership to the Cat/Morgan on my dock. My
mechanic stopped working on it because access was so bad. When he need to
service the generator, Catalina told him to chisel off the nuts holding the
cover.
Joel
35/3
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Colin Kilgour
Reasons and methods to go across:
1. Delivery: you need the boat on the other side of the ocean. Add a
liferaft and EPIRB and go. Fix anything that looks defective. This is what a
paid crew would do. Pick time and route to avoid perfect storms. The boat
will remain on the other side and
A gentleman at RNSYS in Halifax by the name of Denis Linton sailed his 1985
CC27 to Ireland in around 2000 or do. No problem except lots of headsail
changes.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On 2013-09-03, at 14:59, Della Barba, Joe joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov wrote:
We all know the bigger CCs
Lots of very valid points - but as far as size, storage space is concerned,
I am reminded that Sir Robin Knox Johnston sailed non stop round the world -
taking 10 months - in a 32 ft ketch. Clearly the number of crew will
determine the amount of food, gear, water etc needed. Keep the crew size
And what about Lynn and Larry Pardey? J
JP
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Lots of very valid points -
Er Uh
LIN and Larry Pardey
JP
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And what about Lynn and Larry Pardey? J
Yeah, and they are better sailors than a novice or first timer...
However, my very first boat was a copy of Tinkerbelle (Called Tinkerbelle
2), the 13' sloop sailed by Robert Manry. It's not a sea kindly boat, not in
any sense, but a proper mariner could probably make anything useable and
Fer Sure
JP
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Don't forget Webb Chiles going
Don't forget Webb Chiles going around the world in a Drascombe Lugger, a
small open boat.
Jack Brennan
Former CC 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.
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One way to look at it, an open 40 would be anything but a comfortable ride.
Flat bottom trough landings in one of those must knock your teeth out.
Brent.
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On 2013-09-03, at 5:42 PM, J.P. ja...@jpiworldwide.com wrote:
Fer Sure
JP
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Brent,
I think most CCs are built strong enough to make an Atlantic crossing, but I
would prefer a heavier, stiffer vessel like a Swan for such a task.
It made me ask the question: how would I prepare my present boat for such a
challenge?
Here's a short list to start:
Rehead all rod ends
Storm boards for the windows might be a good idea, but I'd check the strength
of what,s there first; our boats are pretty well engineered and it's hard to
conceive that they'd leave something that important out of the equation.
Epirb is good, and I bought one for overnight sailing in New
Other items:
extra battery?
secure batteries with straps
radar reflector
radar?
backup GPS
emergency tiller
service thru hulls
wooden plugs for all through hulls
check all hoses.
Sat phone
SSB receiver
be able to secure and open cabin boards from inside and outside cabin
solar?
refrigeration?
I wonder what Joshua Slocum would make of this conversation? He managed with
very little. I've lived in St. John's and Halifax for the last 27 years and
have seen scores of small boats from 8 to 40 feet head off to Europe and other
distant ports in various states of repair and equipment. A very
Amongst all the other suggestions that we have implemented.. a Solent Stay was
the best investment we made to prepare for Bermuda races.
We will be crossing the Atlantic after the 2017 Marion-Bermuda
(Azores/lisbon/Canaries thereafter).
Total confidence in her build.
1981 40-2
You want some way to communicate long distance - either ssb or
satphone, or both. You'll probably want sailmail or something similar
as well.
You'll need some batteries to run that autopilot 24/7
You'll need tankage for fuel. And for water unless you go with a
watermaker. But if you go with a
I like the solent stay idea.
I'd like to do the trip with some degree of comfort and a high chance for
success, or not at all. I am more interested in a disscussion on preparing the
boats we own for offshore, than arguing the merits of how the first guys did it
without GPS. Slocum and Spray
Interesting to observe that most people think about adding pieces of gear.
I would put preparation under six sub topics:
- Boat integrity: how do I ensure that the boat is top shape. Think about
hull/deck joint, keel bolts, thru hulls, bulkheads, mast step, chainplates,
rig, steering...
I
Not sure this came through on this thread so here goes again. Please excuse me
if its a repeat.
Storm boards for the windows might be a good idea, but I'd check the strength
of what,s there first; our boats are pretty well engineered and it's hard to
conceive that they'd leave something that
One thing to emphasize, this can be a fairly easy trip. You can usually choose
your weather by heading south for lighter stuff or north for heavier. I'm
generalizing of course. Preparing your boat and crew for storm conditions is
imperative.
Antoine lists good starting points.
Andrew Burton
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