Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-23 Thread Gregory Weston
Chris Williams wrote: I would also argue that in general splash screens are an anachronism. They're a holdover from slow hard drives attached to slow CPUs and the idea that an app taking several seconds to finish preparing itself for user interaction was normal. Today there are relatively f

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-23 Thread m
On Apr 23, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Glenn L. Austin wrote: I hate to bring this up, but I believe that defending your copyright means that it must be visible at launch of your app. This is incorrect. There are many examples of works that are protected by copyright but that do not display a copyri

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-23 Thread Glenn L. Austin
On Apr 22, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Benjamin Dobson wrote: On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:06:10, Chris Williams wrote: So you'd rather the user sits there wondering if this huge, highly complex application (like any Office or Adobe app) that takes 10-15 seconds to load, even longer on a slow laptop, is ac

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Chris Hanson
On Apr 22, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Mario Kušnjer wrote: Well I was thinking this way: First window that shows when you start the app is login window because user can't use an app if he doesn't log in. My point is that this isn't the logic your application should be following. Instead, your app

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Ash
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Kyle Sluder wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Chris Hanson wrote: >> And instead of checking network connectivity, your application should just >> try to use the network and fail gracefully when it's not available. After >> all, it could go away between

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Mario Kušnjer
On 2009.04.23, at 04:08, Chris Hanson wrote: You shouldn't always show a log-in panel in your application either; Mac OS X has the Keychain for secure storage of user credentials, you should only ask the user to log in to your service if there's no stored credential or they've done somethi

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Kyle Sluder
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Chris Hanson wrote: > And instead of checking network connectivity, your application should just > try to use the network and fail gracefully when it's not available. After > all, it could go away between when you check and actually start using it, or > while you'

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Chris Hanson
You shouldn't always show a log-in panel in your application either; Mac OS X has the Keychain for secure storage of user credentials, you should only ask the user to log in to your service if there's no stored credential or they've done something like reset their password. And instead of c

[OT] Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Alastair Houghton
On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:06, Chris Williams wrote: So you'd rather the user sits there wondering if this huge, highly complex application (like any Office or Adobe app) that takes 10-15 seconds to load, even longer on a slow laptop, is actually starting up, or should I click it again, or is m

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Jean-Daniel Dupas
Le 22 avr. 09 à 20:31, Shawn Erickson a écrit : On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chris Williams wrote: blah blah... Far better than a spinning beach ball. If written well an application can launch quickly and then get into UI that informs the user that a lengthy process is taking place w

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Shawn Erickson
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Chris Williams wrote: > blah blah... Far better than a spinning beach ball. If written well an application can launch quickly and then get into UI that informs the user that a lengthy process is taking place while ideally letting them do other tasks that aren't b

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Greg Guerin
Michael Ash wrote: I'm not saying that you load it lazily on demand. I'm saying that you get the app up and running in a minimal fashion, and *then* establish the connection. Do it immediately, but after you've officially "launched". If you do it modelessly, then the user can still access whatev

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Ash
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Chris Williams wrote: > Below: > >> From: Michael Ash >> >> I don't really mind splash screens, although I find them to be >> pointless. However, if your splash screen does not go into the >> background when I click on another app while waiting for your app to >>

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Chris Williams
Completely agreed. That's just arrogant and insulting. > From: Benjamin Dobson > > I have seen splash screens that have a higher > window level than normal. This is just wrong. If you're app takes long > enough to load to warrant a splash screen, it takes long enough to > load for the user to ge

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Chris Williams
Below: > From: Michael Ash > > I don't really mind splash screens, although I find them to be > pointless. However, if your splash screen does not go into the > background when I click on another app while waiting for your app to > load, then your app goes into the trash instantaneously. Of cou

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Benjamin Dobson
On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:06:10, Chris Williams wrote: So you'd rather the user sits there wondering if this huge, highly complex application (like any Office or Adobe app) that takes 10-15 seconds to load, even longer on a slow laptop, is actually starting up, or should I click it again, or

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Michael Ash
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Chris Williams wrote: > So you'd rather the user sits there wondering if this huge, highly complex > application (like any Office or Adobe app) that takes 10-15 seconds to load, > even longer on a slow laptop, is actually starting up, or should I click it > again,

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Chris Williams
So you'd rather the user sits there wondering if this huge, highly complex application (like any Office or Adobe app) that takes 10-15 seconds to load, even longer on a slow laptop, is actually starting up, or should I click it again, or is my computer dead, or "what the heck is going on here"...?

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Gregory Weston
Mario Ku?njer wrote: Greetings everyone ! So the question is how to make a window that doesn't have a title bar and borders ? Actually I would like it to be just like user login window of OS X. This could also go for a so called "Splash Screen" on app launch. Thanks to all in advance. This

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-22 Thread Mario Kušnjer
On 2009.04.22, at 08:55, Benjamin Dobson wrote: Although I'd appreciate it if you could in any way avoid the latter. I have always found them extremely annoying on OS X. If you're app takes a long time to load, something small and simple like what iWork does seems better.___

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-21 Thread Benjamin Dobson
On 22 Apr 2009, at 06:32:55, Mario Kušnjer wrote: Greetings everyone ! So the question is how to make a window that doesn't have a title bar and borders ? Actually I would like it to be just like user login window of OS X. This could also go for a so called "Splash Screen" on app launch.

Re: How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-21 Thread Joar Wingfors
On 21 apr 2009, at 22.32, Mario Kušnjer wrote: So the question is how to make a window that doesn't have a title bar and borders ? Actually I would like it to be just like user login window of OS X. This could also go for a so called "Splash Screen" on app launch. Hello Mario, I think y

How to make app login window to look like OS X user login window ?

2009-04-21 Thread Mario Kušnjer
Greetings everyone ! So the question is how to make a window that doesn't have a title bar and borders ? Actually I would like it to be just like user login window of OS X. This could also go for a so called "Splash Screen" on app launch. Thanks to all in advance. Mario