[Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

Dear Internet Community, You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for Africa, is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought to have AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connected world, it is easy to abstract the Internet into simply moving bits

[Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

Dear AfriNIC's Community, ...i would like to thank John, for his useful clarifications. John, thanks for playing your role, as a firm defender of RFC7020 (INRS). Now! just to recall that, anyone should consider starting a different thread when its email is fully off-topic like those treating the

[Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING

Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please find my comments below, inline... Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss < community-discuss@afrinic.net> a écrit : > I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC? > > Hi Owen, ...brother, thanks for you email

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This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this more like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That way, AFRINIC is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to repay the loans in the future. For example, I could opt to pay my 2022 and 2023

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ons of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this more like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That way, AFRINIC is given interest free loans

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This is a great idea and initiative. AFRINIC must survive in these trying times. Raymond Mamattah [image: linkedin] [image: facebook] [image: skype]

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eserve to host and operate our own Registry. > > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > -- > *From:* Dewole Ajao > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:02:27 PM > *To:* Noah > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Subject:*

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Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING Dear Internet Community, You are probably aware that AFRINIC, the Regional Internet Registry for Africa, is involved in ongoing litigation, where the plaintiff has sought to have AFRINIC’s bank accounts frozen. In today’s connec

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Great idea 👍🏿 On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 2:05 PM Dewole Ajao wrote: > This is a very good initiative. Can the organizers look at making this > more like a crowdsourced loan? Is this something that's allowable? That > way, AFRINIC is given interest free loans and then we can figure out how to > repay

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doing the right thing. Regards, Mohamed From: Sami Salih Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 4:08 AM To: Dewole Ajao ; Noah Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING A good citizen

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ysg> From: Mohamed Ibrahim Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 4:57 AM To: Sami Salih; Dewole Ajao; Noah Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING It is not about paying or not? I think it is also about how to avo

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12:14 AM To: Dewole Ajao Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING Great idea 👍🏿 On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 2:05 PM Dewole Ajao mailto:dew...@tinitop.com>> wrote: This is a very good initiative. Can the organize

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On 18 Aug 2021, at 3:17 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote: Not being a lawyer – I would actually like to know the legal position on this – because here is the way I see this. Good Day Andrew – I am somewhat confused, as you acknowledge you not

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people who have to answer. Andrew From: John Curran Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 2:49 PM To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING On 18 Aug 2021, at 3:17 AM, Andrew Alston via Community-Dis

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In message , Andrew Alston wrote: >AfriNIC has a contingent liability on their books of $50m dollars right now ? >and a net worth far below that. > >Incurring any further debt - with no guarantee of success in the court case - >may be classified as reckless trading. Andrew, Being, as you are

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On 18 Aug 2021, at 8:05 AM, Andrew Alston mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote: John, I query where queries may actually get answered – and since previous emails to the members list have gone unanswered – here is as good a place as any. ... We are a community – this is a bottom up org

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++1 to John's comment. While everyone in the community has the right to ask questions, no one can expect to receive a direct and swift response, especially on issues that are before court. It would be good that we slow down while AFRINIC management and board are dealing with the current issue. An

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The key differences here being that prior to litigation and after the conclusion of litigation, ARIN has a history and track record of open and honest communication with its membership and community and trustworthy leadership. AFRINIC’s track record is not so strong here, with a board that cont

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In message , Andrew Alston wrote: >The contingent liability stuff - I actually see sense in this - however - that >neglects the second part of my question - regarding section 162 of the >companies act - that has nothing to do with contingent liability. Section 162 >of the companies act says -

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Hi Owen, Since you have resurfaced, may I use the opportunity to point at questions directed at you while you were away? As the question helps to validate the position you have espoused so liberally on the different lists, you have a responsibility to respond to it promptly. Some, like me, even

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indeed be under the control of an administrator – that is something we need to know before we start donating money. Andrew From: John Curran Date: Wednesday, 18 August 2021 at 16:09 To: Andrew Alston Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONAT

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On 18 Aug 2021, at 12:43 PM, Andrew Alston mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote: ... any prudent person who is going to donate money – is going to want to know certain basic things 1. How will the money they are diverting from other projects be spent 2. Are the individuals in co

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Hi John, > These are quite reasonable questions for anyone donating funds to any > cause to ask. [...] I find it quite encouraging that so many > organizations have already pondered these questions, and (in > recognition of the key role AFRINIC plays in the development and > growth of Internet in

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On 18 Aug 2021, at 1:54 PM, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Hi John, Hi Sander! :-) >> These are quite reasonable questions for anyone donating funds to any >> cause to ask. [...] I find it quite encouraging that so many >> organizations have already pondered these questions, and (in >> recognition

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Dear John, On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, 20:32 John Curran, wrote: > > I find it quite encouraging that so many organizations have already > pondered these questions, and (in recognition of the key role AFRINIC plays > in the development and growth of Internet in Africa) that have come > together in a fu

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Hi John! > “As easy as” may understate it somewhat, but yes, I believe that is > the case. (I will note that this is similar to the process which > would have to occur for delivering support from the Joint RIR > Stability Fund - if such gets requested at some point.)  Yeah, I was wondering about

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: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING On 18 Aug 2021, at 12:43 PM, Andrew Alston mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote: ... any prudent person who is going to donate money – is going to want to know cer

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On 18 Aug 2021, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Alston mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote: John My problem with what you are saying is that it is predicated entirely on trust – trust that the board is doing everything they can – trust that the board is prudent – trust that the board is sticking

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2021, 22:55 Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss, < community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > John > > > > My problem with what you are saying is that it is predicated entirely on > trust – > On the contrary the secretariat which Af-IX partners have selected to work with is TESPOK. TES

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Hello, Regarding the legalities of this initiative, I would want to verify something; did a lawyer review this idea to ensure that this initiative will not be viewed in contempt with regards to the decision of the Mauritius court? As we all know, donation drives like these should work within the p

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Hello! It baffles me to think about whether or not these funds are for the payroll of the AFRINIC employees. How will AFRINIC address these issues, alongside the legal intricacies it may bring? AFRINIC has not given any consolidated plan of action to address the issue of its employee payroll. I ho

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Behind these extra steps to raise funds for AFRINIC, does anyone know what will happen to the accounts which have not yet been disbursed to AFRINIC? It would be good to know more about them first before having conscious efforts to raise funds and donations for AFRINIC as those accounts may play a h

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In message , Ibeanusi Elvis wrote: >Regarding the legalities of this initiative, I would want to verify >something; did a lawyer review this idea to ensure that this initiative >will not be viewed in contempt with regards to the decision of the >Mauritius court? The court placed a (temporary)

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I strongly agree. Let's all support the sustainability of AFRINIC to ensure a stable internet ecosystem. Daniel On Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 5:47 PM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message cnepg6qtn5wm5265z9zyl5hnynudhwbooawjw...@mail.gmail.com>, > Ibeanusi Elvis wrote: > > >Regarding the legalitie

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One pressing question that may undermine this “initiative”: has AFRINIC agreed to this process? While this is an initiative from certain resource members in the community, there needs to have been explicit consent from AFRINIC because it cannot fully account for these donations if ever. Who has

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I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their actions show they want to kill AFRINIC. If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the other regions where they want to migrate or want the region to take over AFRINIC. In the history of the creation

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FRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their actions show they want to kill AFRINIC. If they are not in support of sustainability - why don't they move to the other regions

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++1. To those Africans that are beneficiaries of the crumbs (in the form of travel support to AFRINIC meetings) and have thus lost your sense of judgement in the face of reality, if you cannot support the initiative, why not just keep quiet and let those who choose to do so support it in peace? I

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EL NANGHAKA > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:07:58 AM > To: Brian Sowers > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC > RUNNING > > I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Th

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scuss Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 4:34:51 PM To: AMADU YUSIF Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; Brian Sowers Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING I am confused… How is a question about consent an attempt to kill AFRINIC? Is AFRINIC so

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:* Friday, August 20, 2021 6:07:58 AM > *To:* Brian Sowers > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP > AFRINIC RUNNING > > I do not understand what is wrong with some members on this list. Their > actions

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u. Some members here from their actions wants to kill AFRINIC  Get Outlook for AndroidFrom: DANIEL NANGHAKA Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:07:58 AM To: Brian Sowers Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING I do not

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Bukola, A mailing list is a sounding board for members to voice their opinions. Normally I wouldn’t care about this initiative, but unless AFRINIC undergoes a change of culture away from its history of fraud, opaqueness, and scandals, I will continue to voice my opinion. Why send funds to an o

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21 9:58:29 PM To: community-discuss@afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING Bukola, A mailing list is a sounding board for members to voice their opinions. Normally I wouldn’t care about this initiative, but unless AFRINIC undergoes a change

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Marcus, https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2021-August/004717.html I encourage you to look at numbered items 3, 4, 5, and 6 in which Taiwo has generously provided a concise description of the current administration’s actions. As for its past historical actions described by 1

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: Mirriam via Community-Discuss Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 10:42 AM To: Owen DeLong ; Boubakar Barry Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING Dear Boubakar, The wise elders have always advised "never to bite

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> On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC's Community, > > Please find my comments below, inline... > > Le ven. 20 août 2021 à 17:36, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss > mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> a > écrit : > I am confused… How is a question about cons

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eneral Discussions of AFRINIC ; Brian Sowers Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING On Aug 22, 2021, at 01:07 , Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please find my comments below, inline... Le ven. 20 ao

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> > > Marcus > > > > > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:06:20 PM > To: Sylvain Baya > Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; Brian > Sowers > Subject:

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/AAb9ysg> From: Owen DeLong Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:20:52 PM To: Marcus K. G. Adomey Cc: Sylvain Baya ; General Discussions of AFRINIC ; Brian Sowers Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING I have answered all questions that have b

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eneral Discussions of AFRINIC > ; Brian Sowers > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC > RUNNING > > I have answered all questions that have been asked. Your failure to read the > answers is not my > responsibility. > > Owen &

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Brian Sowers Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING John’s question was answered well before he asked it. Owen On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:28 , Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote: Owen, You have not. Asking for petition before

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y of Ghana > Cell: +233244659245 > Skype: kooissi > > -- > *From:* Mirriam via Community-Discuss > *Sent:* Friday, August 20, 2021 10:42 AM > *To:* Owen DeLong ; Boubakar Barry < > boubakar.ba...@wacren.net> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >

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On 22 Aug 2021, at 1:06 PM, General Discussions of AFRINIC mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote: Because of my current role, I cannot further comment on the ongoing legal battle at this time. Mr DeLong - This is good to know - thank you for the explanation. Could you note whether th

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.ms/AAb9ysg> > From: Owen DeLong > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 5:28:51 PM > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey > Cc: Sylvain Baya ; General Discussions of AFRINIC > ; Brian Sowers > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC > RUNNING > >

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o:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING John’s question was answered well before he asked it. Owen On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:28 , Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado.

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21 6:11:55 PM > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey > Cc: Sylvain Baya ; General Discussions of AFRINIC > ; Brian Sowers > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC > RUNNING > > Do your own research. I’m not your secretary. > > Owen > &

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l Discussions of AFRINIC mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; Brian Sowers mailto:b.sowers...@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING John’s question was answered well before he asked it. Owen On Aug 22, 2021, at 10:28 , Ma

[Community-Discuss] FUNDRAISING & DONATIONS - TO KEEP AFRINIC RUNNING - - moving to St Kitts & Nevis ??

> > In fact, if this entire sad episode has taught us anything, it is that all > five of the Regional Internet Registries should at all times hold bank > balances ONLY in Nevis & St. Kitts, where those bank balances would be > essentially immune from any and all legal encumbrances. No idea why yo