Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
I would hope some of my 401k funds have both M$ ($30.90) and Apple ($186.16) stock. So what? My job requires M$, but I have OS X on my computers. Do you think anyone would be naïve enough to try to sell what ever they own stock in to this list? This list? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Origi

Re: [CGUYS] Mac OS UG's

2007-10-24 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
Apple charges for the major releases, such as 10.4, 10.5. The minor updates are a free download. Apple's major OS X major releases have been pretty good since 10.3; most of the problems have been relatively minor. Thank you, -Original Message- Mac 10.5.0 arrives next week. someone is s

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
Except when the Taskbar loses the application, which it does occasionally. Clicking for the next row of applications on the task bar is stupid, too. OS X 10.5 has a nice looking stacking method in the Dock, which may help in finding things more quickly. I haven't experienced the problem, persona

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Jeff Wright
Who's paying you to ask this and how much? Whatever it is, I'll double it. > -Original Message- > Microsoft vs Apple. > > In order to asertain whether a participant in this forums opinion is > tainted > by the money motive. I would like to see a disclaimer from > anyone commenting on ho

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Constance Warner
Hey, we should ALL be so lucky as to own Microsoft or Apple stock! (Or any stock, for that matter.) Microsoft and Apple have advertising budgets that dwarf the GNP of even a few first-world countries. They don't need to enlist people on lists like this to do their work for them. In fact, big co

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread Jay Montero
Oh, I see. Still I cannot understand why DSL is so much faster than T1. My company is looking at getting a T1 line (we cannot get DSL or cable) and it is going to cost many times what we used to pay for DSL in our old location yet it will be less than half as fast. on Tue, 23 Oct 2007, mike

Re: [CGUYS] Mac OS UG's

2007-10-24 Thread Mason Miller
10.5.x updates will be free. You will have to pay again at 10.6 (at least a year or two). Mason gerald wrote: Mac 10.5.0 arrives next week. someone is selling it for $106. when they fix it 6 months from now with 10.5.1, what will be the charge,another $106, or 170?? or historically when

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Jordan
There is no such thing as a Mac that comes with a 1 button mouse anymore. (even though it looks like a 1 button mouse) And you can use any mouse you can buy. I prefer a trackball and have almost always used a Logitech with several buttons. (It is easier, but that doesn't stop the sense of pan

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread mike
A T1 is a designation of speed, among other things.DSL is a generic term for technology to move digital signal over analog lines. More and more connections labeled DSL really aren't. I think the fastest DSL can go and still be technically DSL is 7mbit. Someone on the list might have a better

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Constance Warner
You can buy Macs with all sorts of bells and whistles nowadays, including some pretty exotic mice, but employers usually just buy the basics. Any employee who wants anything fancier must provide their own--if it's permitted--or do without. The one-button mouse is only one hurdle a new Mac user ha

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
When we bought our latest Mac the second thing we did was pick out a decent two button mouse at the Apple store. The supplied mouse hasn't even been out of the box. I haven't had a new Mac in over a decade all though i do have a friends cast off G3 that still works well enough to surf with and a

[CGUYS] Anti Virus Software

2007-10-24 Thread Site Guy
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Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software

2007-10-24 Thread Mike Sloane
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Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software

2007-10-24 Thread Admiral Harris
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Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread Mason Miller
It may not be as fast, but it will be more steady and reliable in most cases. You pay a lot more, but your bandwidth to the other end of the connection is guaranteed, and if it goes down you will see the telco there in hours, not days. It is a different type of service. Mason Jay Montero wr

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread mike
It's also 1.5 up and down...and if you get it with Qwest you might just wait weeks...we have. Mike On 10/24/07, Mason Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It may not be as fast, but it will be more steady and reliable in most > cases. You pay a lot more, but your bandwidth to the other end of t

[CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
>The one-button mouse is only one hurdle a new Mac user has to confront >at work, when they're expected to hit the ground running. Perhaps the biggest hurdle is people who don't know what they are talking about? For several years now, all Macs ship with 5-button mice that have a scroll ball on t

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Paula Minor
I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the various windows... trying to find one I had open be

Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
>What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? OS X. What is a "virus?" * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <== * ==> the body of an email & send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <== * Jo

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread Matthew Taylor
Concur. Most T1 lines come with service level agreements on the order of 99+% uptime guaranteed. Imagine getting that from cable. ;^) On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:36 PM, Mason Miller wrote: It may not be as fast, but it will be more steady and reliable in most cases. You pay a lot more, but you

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 8:48 AM -0700 10/24/07, mike wrote: A T1 is a designation of speed, among other things.DSL is a generic term for technology to move digital signal over analog lines. More and more connections labeled DSL really aren't. I think the fastest DSL can go and still be technically DSL is 7mbit

Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software

2007-10-24 Thread mike
On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? > > OS X. > > What is a "virus?" > > > > * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in <==

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Jeff Miles
What are you talking about? I've got 3 different Macs in the last 2 years. I'll be it one was a Macbook Pro, but the other two iMacs didn't come with any 5 button mice. I've never even seen a 5 button Apple produced Mac mouse. Do these come with just certain Mac computers? Jeff M On Oct

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
>When we bought our latest Mac the second thing we did was pick out a >decent two button mouse at the Apple store. The supplied mouse hasn't >even been out of the box. You should look in the box. You may have a Mighty Mouse and not even know it.

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Matthew Taylor
Define "several years" please. When I bought Macs at my old employer, they came with the one button mouse or none at all - those were G4's, G5's, and Powerbook G4's. On Oct 24, 2007, at 8:08 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: For several years now, all Macs ship with 5-button mice that have a scroll

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread mike
Where do you *meet* these people you always talk about? I hope sincerely that anyone who can only operate a one button mouse or someone who gets frustrated at the site of two buttons is not driving a car anywhere in my city. God help us if they procreate. Mike On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL P

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread mike
*http://tinyurl.com/23e9kp Apple four button mouse. You have to program it. Mike * On 10/24/07, Jeff Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are you talking about? I've got 3 different Macs in the last > 2 > years. I'll be it one was a Macbook Pro, but the other two iMacs > didn't come

Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software

2007-10-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Uh, the poster said "free"??? On 10/24/07, Dr. Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? > >OS X. > >What is a "virus?" * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the followi

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Where do you *meet* these people you always talk about? I hope sincerely >that anyone who can only operate a one button mouse or someone who gets >frustrated at the site of two buttons is not driving a car anywhere in my >city. God help us if they procreate. If you make an error while driving t

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Concur. Most T1 lines come with service level agreements on the >order of 99+% uptime guaranteed. Imagine getting that from cable. ;^) That is why DSL is so much better than cable. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE -

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
>What are you talking about? I've got 3 different Macs in the last 2 >years. I'll be it one was a Macbook Pro, but the other two iMacs >didn't come with any 5 button mice. I've never even seen a 5 button >Apple produced Mac mouse. Do these come with just certain Mac computers? Laptops do not

Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Piwowar
>Uh, the poster said "free"??? >>OS X. >>>What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? The anti-virus part is free. You just have to pay for the container. * ==> QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following c

Re: [CGUYS] Anti Virus Software

2007-10-24 Thread mike
Tom can't help himself, most zealots can't. We can just try to be understanding. Mike On 10/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uh, the poster said "free"??? > > On 10/24/07, Dr. Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>What do you consider the best free Anti Virus Software? >

Re: [CGUYS] Anecdotal Comparison of Broadband Service Worldwide

2007-10-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have had similar experiences. Red Roof Inns and their ilk provide broadband free of charge, but upscale places typically charge $9.95 per day, more or less. I stayed at the Hyatt in downtown Indianapolis in August, and I just got back from a Marriott in Newton, MA and both charged. I have a

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Snyder, Mark (NGIT-CA)
My days go back to punch cards and an IBM 360. I too remember using dumb terminals to UNIX. I remember early Sun UNIX workstations, Xerox 6085 workstations that used windowing. What the heck has all that to do with Mac OS? I'm sure not leaving Mac OS X to go back to that crap, not matter how no

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread mike
Sometimes. DSL in AZ is worse then the software I use on my sony mp3 player. They have zero support here for anything above 6mbit and Qwest customer service/support is nonexistent. I had cable for almost five years, it might have been down twice, several times they increased my speed with no pri

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Ignorance [Was: The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread mike
God help us, people that get confused by two buttons carry guns. Stay away from wherever Tom lives. Mike On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Where do you *meet* these people you always talk about? I hope sincerely > >that anyone who can only operate a one button mouse or so

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread Steve Rigby
On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Paula Minor wrote: I can't help but say that the worst thing about Macs/OSX is the Dock. Great operating system otherwise but whenever I am using OS X and multi-tasking between programs, web pages, files etc, I am spending a LOT of time struggling with the variou

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread Eric S. Sande
Concur. Most T1 lines come with service level agreements on the order of 99+% uptime guaranteed. Imagine getting that from cable. ;^) That is why DSL is so much better than cable. Just a brief clarification. "DSL" is a term that's used like "Kleenex." A T1, or what is more accurately refe

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Some other differences I think are associated with a T1 line. I believe that T1 lines come standard with a static IP number. As you state below their up speed is as much as their down speed. (Most home DSL's and Cable setups have a high down speed, but a much slower up speed) Also I believe

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds

2007-10-24 Thread Eric S. Sande
I believe that T1 lines come standard with a static IP number. As you state below their up speed is as much as their down speed. (Most home DSL's and Cable setups have a high down speed, but a much slower up speed. Depends on how they are configured. Most DS1s (don't say T1) are channelized

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I thought the real problem with the mighty mouse for me was the lack of tactile feedback. I need the click and motion of the switch. On 10/24/07, Tom Piwowar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >When we bought our latest Mac the second thing we did was pick out a > >decent two button mouse at the Apple

Re: [CGUYS] BroadBand Speeds...and packet shaping

2007-10-24 Thread mike
Not just limiting bandwith, but packet shaping. Here comes the future of the internet thanks to companies like AT&T and Comcast and senators like Ted 'tubes' Stevens and Hatch. Gah. Mike On 10/24/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Also I believe there is no limit place

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread db
Thanks for all of your tips ... I know them ... I've been using Macs, Win and Linux more recently since the early 80's. It just gripes me that Mac, which is capable of much better and once was famous for intuitive usability, created such a clumsy flawed piece of eye candy as Aqua. Apple ta

Re: [CGUYS] The Worst Thing about Macs

2007-10-24 Thread db
I do typically ... if I am working on several research projects concurrently, I can have 6 programs and 20 to 30 windows open for days. I can handle this on a Linux or XP machine even without resorting to their optional optional multiple/ virtual desktop features but I just don't attempt it w