[CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$

2009-09-17 Thread t.piwowar
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/technology/personaltech/17pogue.html?8dpc Zune’s reputation as the player for weirdos and losers. Among the under-25 set, “Zune” is a punch line Wow! * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$

2009-09-17 Thread Chris Dunford
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/technology/personaltech/17pogue.html?8dpc Zune's reputation as the player for weirdos and losers. Among the under-25 set, Zune is a punch line Wow! Boy, you really had to hunt for something negative in that review, didn't you? How strange that you didn't

Re: [CGUYS] Hype Cycle Graph

2009-09-17 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Tom, I have seen these hype charts from Gartner for many years, and monitored them when I did technology change management for a DoD project, for a little over 15 years. They are just two-dimensional; plain x-y axis: just expectations mapped over time to wide-spread adoption. They did not

Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$

2009-09-17 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Chris, I think Tom's point is that mighty M$ has a major marketing failure on their hands. David Pogue also said: All right, then: so why sympathy? Because, after three years, hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising, and, yes, a lot of real innovation, the Zune has managed to claim a

Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$

2009-09-17 Thread katan
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:15:22 -0400, t.piwowar wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/technology/personaltech/17pogue.html?8dpc Zune’s reputation as the player for weirdos and losers. Among the under-25 set, “Zune” is a punch line Wow! Wow! is right. You pick out the single most damning

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:46 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: It is insane to think that a faceless corporate bureaucrat is better than a faceless federal bureaucrat. Unless, of course, you are a 100% pure and unadulterated capitalist, closed minded to any alternative.

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Mike
On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc. Steve *** ** **

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:13 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: The plundering, the Bernie Madoff's, the ongoing banking and financial debacle, Wall Street crimes and misdeeds, etc., etc., etc.  Steve Yes, I did

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread mike
No, I accidentally hit the send button on my iPod touch. What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted Stevens or Charlie

[CGUYS] We're #19!!!

2009-09-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
US Chamber of Commerce cites #19 rank, wants tougher IP laws http://tinyurl.com/lkcdsh * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:30 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: No, I accidentally hit the send button on my iPod touch. What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other side.  For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner ripping us off.  For every

Re: [CGUYS] We're #19!!!

2009-09-17 Thread Chris Dunford
US Chamber of Commerce cites #19 rank, wants tougher IP laws http://tinyurl.com/lkcdsh I hope they know more about intellectual property law than they do about science. They recently advocated using a courtroom to decide whether or not scientists are right about global warming.

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread chad evans wyatt
Ummm.. Equating thousands to billions?  --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 10:30 AM No, I

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread mike
You need to read more. Geithner is monetizing our debt and Obama and team want to raise our debt ceiling again, this has been done several times by both parties. This isn't about some hated neocon vs liberal wackos, this is both parties ripping us off. The fed which can print money on command

Re: [CGUYS] We're #19!!!

2009-09-17 Thread mike
Well we don't want that after what happened to Al Gore in the UK. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: US Chamber of Commerce cites #19 rank, wants tougher IP laws http://tinyurl.com/lkcdsh I hope they know more about intellectual property law than they

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread b_s-wilk
What I do find is that one side only mentions the problems with the other side. For every Madoff there is a government bureaucrat like Geithner ripping us off. For every wall street banker there are guys like Ted Stevens or Charlie Rangel. Actually, what I think is that each side either

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread chad evans wyatt
Guess I deserve this, you have previously exhibited little brake to your posturing, why should I expect anything else.  OK, grant you all points.  Wasn't your comparison relatively small infractions vs others that flung the economy in the ditch?  I like your researched polemic, but doesn't

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
This goes across party lines to the fact that Congress listens to and acts in the best interests of lobbyists and no longer the local guy who elected him. I just got finished listening to a program on NPR (Diane Rheems show) where she interviewed an author who traced the problems with

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread mike
Since you address me in this section I'll assume you missed the part of this thread where a dozen others were having their spitting matches? If you don't like the thread, don't open it, while this is a computer list we do get into other topics but they usually are fairly well marked as non

[CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil was: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread mike
What makes you think I believe it's a golden devil? iPod touch = the cool. Also on a related note of sorts. I emailed the list about choices in cell phones and service, and the comments were all helpful. I had almost decided for sure I was going to get the new mytouch from Tmobile. I had

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread chad evans wyatt
QED --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 1:38 PM Since you address me in this section I'll

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Fred Holmes
At 02:46 AM 9/17/2009, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: It is insane to think that a faceless corporate bureaucrat is better than a faceless federal bureaucrat. If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with someone else. With government,

Re: [CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil was: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread chad evans wyatt
Thanks for this, valuable insight. --- On Thu, 9/17/09, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: From: mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: [CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil was: Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870) To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Date: Thursday,

[CGUYS] winmail.dat

2009-09-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
For Mac users who may occasionally receive one of those bonkers winmail.dat attachments periodically, usually the result of an Outlook user sending a RTF file assuming all the while that, 1) Everyone uses Windows, and 2) Everyone uses Outlook, that old Jack of All Trades app, Graphic Converter,

Re: [CGUYS] winmail.dat

2009-09-17 Thread mike
I doubt the bulk of windows users who do this even know they are until they are told. I'd suggest sending users who are sending .dat files to go to: http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~jbenson/resource/winmail.htm This resource will show them how to fix the problem and make their email more accessible.

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Jordan
Fred Holmes wrote: At 02:46 AM 9/17/2009, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: It is insane to think that a faceless corporate bureaucrat is better than a faceless federal bureaucrat. If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread Chris Dunford
If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with someone else. With government, there is no choice -- no place to escape to. And there's no other insurance company to escape to if you have a preexisting condition. You'd just better

Re: [CGUYS] winmail.dat

2009-09-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt the bulk of windows users who do this even know they are until they are told.  I'd suggest sending users who are sending .dat files to go to: http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~jbenson/resource/winmail.htm This resource will show

Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$

2009-09-17 Thread MrMike6by9
Some interesting things are heard about the Zune in this week's MacBreak Weekly Podcast #158: They Don't Have That in the US. The comments begin around 00:40 in and go for about 10-15 minutes. YMMV - - - No man is exempt from saying silly things; the mischief is to say them deliberately. -

Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$

2009-09-17 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Chris Dunford http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/technology/personaltech/17pogue.html?8dpc Zune's reputation as the player for weirdos and losers. Among the under-25 set, Zune is a punch line Wow! Boy, you really had to hunt for something negative in that review, didn't you? How strange

[CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread TPiwowar
XP had the unfortunate habit of setting the read-only flag of files copied to CDs. Copying such files back to the hard drive left the read-only flag set. I had to go to Properties to uncheck the read- only box before I could edit the files. Today I did same with Vista. Again the problem

Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$

2009-09-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:42 AM Sep 17, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: I think Tom's point is that mighty M$ has a major marketing failure on their hands. David Pogue also said: All right, then: so why sympathy? Thank you Mark, that is precisely my point. Equally remarkable is the inability of

Re: [CGUYS] Hype Cycle Graph

2009-09-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 17, 2009, at 6:27 AM Sep 17, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: They are just two-dimensional; plain x-y axis: just expectations mapped over time to wide-spread adoption. They did not prove to be very useful and I always took these charts with a large grain of salt. I was quite

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Sep 17, 2009, at 3:21 PM Sep 17, Fred Holmes wrote: If one doesn't like what the faceless corporate bureaucrat decides, one can drop the insurance and go with someone else. With government, there is no choice -- no place to escape to. I can think of lots of places. Have you been denied

Re: [CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil

2009-09-17 Thread b_s-wilk
What makes you think I believe it's a golden devil? iPod touch = the cool. Also on a related note of sorts. I emailed the list about choices in cell phones and service, and the comments were all helpful. I had almost decided for sure I was going to get the new mytouch from Tmobile. I had

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread mike
Could be a permissions problem? My other thought was...you are still using cds? On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:50 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: XP had the unfortunate habit of setting the read-only flag of files copied to CDs. Copying such files back to the hard drive left the read-only flag

Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$

2009-09-17 Thread David K Watson
From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Wow! is right. You pick out the single most damning line in a generally positive review and hold it up as proof that the Zune Sucks. The only thing wrong with this statement is that the review isn't generally positive, it's overwhelmingly positive.

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread Tony B
You're doing *something* wrong, because I just tried it here and I get no flags set but the a. I assume that's 'archived'? No trouble at all editing the file after it's copied back to the hard drive. I used the freeware CDBurnerXP, a BD-RE disk, and a plain .txt file. Lest you think it's a bd-re

Re: [CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil

2009-09-17 Thread mike
HTC has been selling phones under the big carriers for quite awhile. An unlocked Hero would run 750 to 1000 dollars, it's 180 with the 2 year contract discount. I stayed away from verizon because of what you mention with providers turning off features. Verizon locks down the GPS in every phone

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread Chris Dunford
Today I did same with Vista. Again the problem with the read-only flag. Except this time after I uncheck the read-only box (and press Apply etc), I find that the files continues to be read only. When I reopen Properties I find the read-only box has been rechecked. I go round and round several

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread mike
Or zip them. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Today I did same with Vista. Again the problem with the read-only flag. Except this time after I uncheck the read-only box (and press Apply etc), I find that the files continues to be read only. When I

Re: [CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil

2009-09-17 Thread b_s-wilk
HTC has been selling phones under the big carriers for quite awhile. An unlocked Hero would run 750 to 1000 dollars, it's 180 with the 2 year contract discount. HTC Hero US phones start around $500--$350 for a Euro model with 3G that doesn't work on US frequencies. You'll be paying a lot

Re: [CGUYS] ipod touch not the golden devil

2009-09-17 Thread mike
Not sure where you are seeing 350 unless you mean 350 euros. I don't care about the contract, and sprint's contract ends up being a better price then tmobile/att/verizon. Again I have no need for a worldwide phone. I've got experience putting custom roms on unsupported phones and I really don't

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:14 PM, mike wrote: My other thought was...you are still using cds? Vista won't read any of our HFS formatted thumb drives and we had a pile of CDs handy. Thanks for the other ideas. Zipping the directory looks most promising. Zipping is built into Mac OS. I guess I

Re: [CGUYS] Pogue Feeling Sorry for M$

2009-09-17 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:18 PM, David K Watson wrote: Myself, I'd say generally positive is a better description. By most objective standards, to be considered overwhelmingly positive a review would have to be very strong on its positives and contain a very small number of very minor negatives.

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-17 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 17, 2009, at 12:04 PM, mike wrote: You need to read more. Geithner is monetizing our debt and Obama and team want to raise our debt ceiling again, this has been done several times by both parties. This isn't about some hated neocon vs liberal wackos, this is both parties ripping us

Re: [CGUYS] Vista -- Help Needed with Read Only Flag

2009-09-17 Thread mike
There is a free one built into windows also...not sure how good/bad it is, I always install winrar first thing on new windows installs. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:53 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 17, 2009, at 10:14 PM, mike wrote: My other thought was...you are still using cds?