[CGUYS] charlie miller speaks (he's the security expert taking macs and windows down at pwn2own)

http://gizmodo.com/5483024/security-expert-flash-is-the-root-of-browser-insecurity-oh-and-ie8-isnt-so-bad Highlights from the interview: Win 7 is harder to hack into than os x. Linux really isn't a fortress either depending on distro. Firefox on windows is less safe than IE 8 or Chrome. You want

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Correct and it never should. Medicine like other fields of science are ever changing fields of treatments and surgeries etc. Any one who does this is guilty of medical malpractice. Stewart At 10:09 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Stewart, Right, most of us are eligible for disability upon diagnos

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Stewart, Right, most of us are eligible for disability upon diagnosis of Pulmonary Hypertension, so whatever the Ontario version of Medicare is what they would have been using, and secondly, my treatments aren't pharmaceuticals, but treatments, billed like chemotherapy (except I'll be taking t

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Ellen I am a little curious. OHIP did not usually cover prescriptions. That was a separate private insurance. Once you became a senior or for other circumstances the provincial Ministry of Health might be the ones who would cover these things. So what I am saying was that it was not OHIP t

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Read the article. Bonnie has already died. - Original Message - From: "tjpa" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability] On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Ellen Rains Harris wrote: We need ref

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On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Ellen Rains Harris wrote: We need reform. This isn't it. I was writing about over supply and low utilization rates. I don't see how you can fairly leap from that to an insurer murdering its customers to save money.

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Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I really much prefer Augustine of Hippos comment. "Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet" Stewart At 06:25 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Moderation in all things is good. Stewart I always liked this quotation. Particularly sinc

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Where I live in South East Alabama, there are at least 4 MRI and CT machines serving a population of 100K. That also may be a little under as some doctor groups may have their own machines. My in-laws live in Northern Ontario. They need to travel a minimum of 60 miles and possibly 90 miles t

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Ontario's Health Insurance Plan would kill me and several of my friends. I have a rare disease, and my meds run about $30k monthly. I take three meds daily. My friend Cindy Waters-Goodman is losing this option because she lives in Ontario. The Globe and Mail has already locked up the story,

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On Mar 1, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Check out OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan) I think they have the same rates you quote Tom. Ontario does something in addition to limiting crazy high management salaries. They also manage capital expenditures and utilization rates.

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On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: This says to me that real-world regulation doesn't work. No, this says that laissez-faire lack of regulation is a deadly mistake. Worse, instead of fixing the problem, the wing nut solution is to protect the evil doers and take away the injured

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I really much prefer Augustine of Hippos comment. "Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet" Stewart At 06:25 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Moderation in all things is good. Stewart I always liked this quotation. Particularly since it means that moderation in

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...

On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:02 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: Because Apple has customers around the world who aren't as sexually repressed as people in the US. Do you think the Apple Store should be selling different apps in different regions? No sex for folks in Texas and kinky perversion for New Yorkers?

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No I mean minimal regulations. You are one of the lucky few who get to use the VA system. I served 11 years in the reserves and I am not allowed to use the VA system. In order to use the VA you must be eligible and that number is climbing once again after dropping off. It is a very good syst

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Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Moderation in all things is good. Stewart I always liked this quotation. Particularly since it means that moderation in following the advice of the quotation is tantamount to permitting excess in all else. *

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Check out OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan) I think they have the same rates you quote Tom. By the way it is done very similarly to what the insurance plans do down here. They negotiate a set rate with Doctors and Hospitals etc. The biggest difference is that they limit technology. Where w

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At 03:59 PM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall wrote: Only those [VA and military] hospitals and they are minimal at best. What do you mean "minimal?" Do you mean few in number? If so, how many are there, and how do you know? All other hospitals that you or I would normally use have no federa

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They are religious elitists and I would claim that they do know God any better than I do. The one who is supposed to be worshiped and listened to is God. If I am not speaking what God has given us (that is where we put scripture the source and norm, not me) than I am like a clanging gong. Ju

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At 04:06 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: When the Commandments were delivered, there were no nations surrounding them. The were in the desert for 40 years. Jews in the desert. Oy! Yeah and not even finding oil. :-) (Such as the bumper stickers down here, live the 10 commandments.)

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On Mar 1, 2010, at 2:14 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: Haven't heard that argument or of Sprouts? But paying for our own health care? What a concept! But in reality, due to the insurance industry, that's become an impossibility with the exception of dealing with a few scrapes a bruises or just ignori

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On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: Let's do [some of] the math on this one. The other day the CEO of one of the health insurers said before Congress that she received $10M in compensation, something like $1M in salary and $9M in stock options. More or less. Well if it's a maj

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Only those hospitals and they are minimal at best. All other hospitals that you or I would normally use have no federal guidelines. Can you get treated at a VA hospital or a military hospital on a routine basis? Also note they have very limited tort options. Stewart At 04:05 PM 3/1/2010, y

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On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Have you checked your Harddrive for errors? Yes, run CHKDSK several times until it reports no errors. That is a leading cause of this kind of strangeness. * **

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At 10:30 AM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall wrote: Our duty to God and our Duty to one another. There is a multi-billion dollar industry, in organized religion and televangelism, chock-full of people, limited, biased, ignorant, stupid, fallible, vain, gullible, egocentric, mortal people, wh

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At 05:35 AM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall wrote: Yes the regulator is divine but people often have the wrong view of the 10 commandments. I was about to get to that. They were also prescriptive telling the Israelites how they were to live with one another and the nations that surround the

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At 09:35 PM 2/28/2010, Stewart Marshall wrote: Bob I have no need to convince anyone of what I believe, but when asked I will explain it. Thank you for responding, Stewart. However, I didn't mention the act of convincing others of "what [you] believe." I spoke, instead, of attempting t

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At 10:07 AM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall wrote: There is no federal guidelines on Hospitals. That isn't true, Stewart. You have overlooked the respective sections of both the US Code, and the CFR, which deal with military hospitals and VA hospitals. Bob I'm on the case,

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Also try to restore back to a date you believe it was running properly. On Mar 1, 2010 2:03 PM, "Terry Kilburg" wrote: Probably the last 20 times I've booted-15 of those had to use system restore to complete the process. Two of those boots gave a message after going thru system restore, it said

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Have you checked your Harddrive for errors? Stewart At 01:49 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Probably the last 20 times I've booted-15 of those had to use system restore to complete the process. Two of those boots gave a message after going thru system restore, it said it failed and only gave the op

[CGUYS] Bootup problem running vista basic sp2

Probably the last 20 times I've booted-15 of those had to use system restore to complete the process. Two of those boots gave a message after going thru system restore, it said it failed and only gave the option to shutdown and it sent this to microsoft. On those failed attempts, it did boot the

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Without even watching the video, of course only two will do. Jesus said so. 1. Love thy God. . . 2. Love thy Neighbor. . . Fred Holmes At 11:27 AM 3/1/2010, Reid Katan wrote: >You don't need ten. Apparently Two will do. > > ***

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There is no regulation. Hospitals are allowed to operate based on state guidelines and review boards. There is no federal guidelines on Hospitals. Just like doctors you have 50 different sets of guidelines out there. Stewart At 10:51 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: At 11:18 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wr

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At 11:18 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: >After all, it's immoral to profit from others' illnesses and misfortunes, so >why do many health health insurance executives have multi-million dollar >salaries and benefits, and insurance companies have billion dollar profits? Let's do [some of] the math o

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1.) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your strength, with all your mind and with all your soul. 2.) Love you neighbor as yourself. A summation of the two tables of the law. Our duty to God and our Duty to one another. Stewart At 11:03 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Without ev

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You are not too far from the truth. There were two tablets, two copies of the law. One was the peoples the other was the kings. Just like today when you sign a contract there are at least two copies of the documents. Stewart At 10:30 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Actually, there were fifteen--

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On Mar 1, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It was also proscriptive. Well that is even worse. Who wants a bossy God? I think that other denomination will give me a better deal. * ** List info, subscripti

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On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: There is no presentation of the "science" to the user and allowing the user to decide his own risk tolerance. The wing nuts would have us all assemble out own chemical testing lab and drag it around with us every time we go to the supermarket. I

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At 11:18 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: >The main problem with high insurance costs for consumers is that medical >practitioners are not policing themselves, and states don't police them either >until too many patients are harmed. In too many cases, incompetent doctors who >maim or kill patients,

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On Mar 1, 2010, at 2:44 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: Actually I'm all for arguing against certain regulation. Try remodeling your house and having a city inspector come by. You'll be all against regulation. I did and the inspectors were wonderful. They did more than inspect, they explained and ed

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Fred Holmes escribió: The law that was cited by the guy that drove his airplane into the IRS building in Austin, Texas. The guy was a tax evader. The law he objected to is in common use around the country. If you contract for only one company, you're a de facto employee and subject to with

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At 10:45 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: >The genius of the Ten Commandments--whether intentional or not--is that there >are ten proscriptions, and everything else is OK. The Bill of Rights is >similar, providing protections, but needed elaboration, hence the current >number of Constitutional Amend

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Quoting Fred Holmes : At 01:07 AM 3/1/2010, t.piwowar wrote: Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is "regulation." But, at least in this case, the "regulator" is divine. You don't need ten. Apparently Two will do. Of course, it's Carlin, so. .

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> For those who aren't familiar with the rest of the commandments, there > were actually over 600. We're lucky that K.I.S.S. weeded out most of the > noxious ones, mostly from Leviticus. Or Moses got tired of chiseling > into stone when he got to ten. Actually, there were fifteen--three tablets of

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Fred Holmes escribió: And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the lack of tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. So how much does liability insurance / damage claims add to the cost of healthcare? As a percentage of overall costs? The main problem wit

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The genius of the Ten Commandments--whether intentional or not--is that there are ten proscriptions, and everything else is OK. The Bill of Rights is similar, providing protections, but needed elaboration, hence the current number of Constitutional Amendments to protect the rights of individual

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You know how I vote? Wow. You complain about lobbying by huge corporations, I didn't like the ruling either but the problem is we have other interests already doing the same things and worse. Ever watch MSNBC? It's an arm for Obama, plain and simple. Ever watch Fox? It's an arm for the conser

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Try reading it. It's strength is it's lack of regulation on the *people* and regulation on the government. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:16 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > mike escribió: > > > And the Constitution is a specific lack of regulation. Madison didn't >> even >> want a bill of rights for fear it

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mike escribió: And the Constitution is a specific lack of regulation. Madison didn't even want a bill of rights for fear it would weaken the individual by enumerating specific rights, thus perhaps conversely weakening the power of citizens by the absence of other rights. Hardly. The existence

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That's not true. The "sweetheart deal" wasn't one, and never happened. It's not in the bill. Ideas are discussed as part of the process of writing legislation. Many of those never make it to law. The Republican Supreme Court decided that lobbying by huge corporations is great, and just made it

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Yeah, but how **significant** a difference? Quantitative measure is what I'm looking for. Surely some think tank has run the numbers? Fred Holmes At 08:44 AM 3/1/2010, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: >Enough to make a difference in cost and practice. > >Stewart > > >At 07:32 AM 3/1/2010, you wrot

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My youngest talks of the cars he would like to own, and given the right circumstances could pay for. (He is in college, but also the national guard bringing in a regular income.) Every car he would like to own, would be affordable except for insurance. He could pay for the car, but the insura

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I'm just waiting for the biggest source of pron to be eliminated on the iPhone- The Safari Browser. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:16 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:14 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > > > What Apple is doing with the iTunes App Store is selling what they want > in > >

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A friend of mine who was an OB in Pennsylvania said the insurance was so bad he moved to another state. Imagine the costs of starting or buying a new practice and you can think of what the insurance must cost to make it worth doing. Those costs get passed on. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Rev.

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Enough to make a difference in cost and practice. Stewart At 07:32 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: At 02:14 AM 3/1/2010, Jeff Miles wrote: >And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the lack of tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. So how much does liability insu

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Yes the regulator is divine but people often have the wrong view of the 10 commandments. They were also prescriptive telling the Israelites how they were to live with one another and the nations that surround them. Taken out of context they simply become a set of rules. (Such as the bumper

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At 02:14 AM 3/1/2010, Jeff Miles wrote: >And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the lack of >tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. So how much does liability insurance / damage claims add to the cost of healthcare? As a percentage of overall costs?

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The law that was cited by the guy that drove his airplane into the IRS building in Austin, Texas. At 01:23 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: >Examples please. > >>Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. * **

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At 01:07 AM 3/1/2010, t.piwowar wrote: >Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is "regulation." But, at least in this case, the "regulator" is divine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy *

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On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:14 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > What Apple is doing with the iTunes App Store is selling what they want in > their own store. If you want something else, go to Cydia. Yes, Apple does not want to be associated with the dissemination of products that they construe to be potenti

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The problem with regulation is that the regulators are humans just like the regulated. They are as corrupt and as incompetent as the regulated. Moreover, there is no good way to judge the performance of the regulators, so they tend to stay in the job forever, protected by civil service rules.

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At 11:28 PM 2/28/2010, Jeff Miles wrote: >How long has that taken? Legality is one thing, changing a mindset is >something completely different. When you try to "change a mindset" you often run up against facts. Fred Holmes *

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Sprouts I think = Whole Foods CEO. In most countries that have universal health care or universal coverage (there are huge differences on what that means by the way) There is tort reform. We are one of the few countries where our law system resembles the wild west in health care. It is one

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Most people do not know how much health care really costs. They pay a reduced rate subsidized by the company. I see the exact amount my employer pays for the insurance and I try and keep the costs down. I even took my son off of my plan because I could buy his insurance cheaper through the go

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Not yet but it can. One of the articles I read is that the more the manufacturers control the user environment the more cases we will have like the Kindle. Stewart At 12:14 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Apple isn't ensnared, they are doing this themselves. Apple is bar far the most controlling t

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Only if you look at it that way It was also proscriptive. Stewart At 12:07 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: So regulation is both a good thing and a bad thing depending on how it is done. Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is "regulati

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Well of course anyone who runs for president can't be fully sane. Who in their right mind would want that job? I'm not a Bill Gates fan, but I have to admit, he had it right in some aspects. Make billions, deal with some s...tuff and then get the hell out. I'll bet he's glad he's