[CGUYS] M$ vs. iPad, M$ Bows Out

2010-04-29 Thread t.piwowar
Microsoft Says 'Courier' Tablet Project Shelved for Now - WSJ.com http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704302304575214692513583532.html?mod=rss_personal_technology I'm not at all surprised. * ** List info, subsc

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread t.piwowar
On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Seen 'em, thanks. But you do realize that contrary to your statement what you suggest IS legal where you live. Generally, people who live in NoVa don't consider themselves residents of Virginia and feel shamed when reminded. I don't even own

Re: [CGUYS] Some of you will find this tragic

2010-04-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
And the whole punches make wonderful confetti (eco confetti) for weddings. Stewart At 09:11 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: You can use them to make lovely wreaths, too. Although, used ones (with punched holes) look a little better. At 8:08 PM -0500 4/29/10, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom just

Re: [CGUYS] Some of you will find this tragic

2010-04-29 Thread Roger D. Parish
You can use them to make lovely wreaths, too. Although, used ones (with punched holes) look a little better. At 8:08 PM -0500 4/29/10, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom just put them on your bicycle they make a wonderful noise when you ride. Stewart At 08:03 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: On Apr

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM, tjpa wrote: > You keep insisting that Apple should not do product testing. Where did you > get such an idea? Microsoft? Let's not be silly or intentionally inaccurate when describing what another poster wrote. I never said that Apple Corp. should not do any pr

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
I do. Wanna see my collection of assault weapons and cruise missiles? Seen 'em, thanks. But you do realize that contrary to your statement what you suggest IS legal where you live. http://vaguninfo.com/pages/opencarry.htm The fact that most people don't do it has nothing to do with whether it

Re: [CGUYS] Some of you will find this tragic

2010-04-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Tom just put them on your bicycle they make a wonderful noise when you ride. Stewart At 08:03 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: I still have some important punch cards. Most of them are in the right order. Me too. And several cartons unused. What a

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Tom having lived in the said communities most of my ministry I know the statistics. Just not true. Oh and they have a lot more firearms than you can count. Most of it long barrel not short barrel. Stewart At 08:01 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: On Apr 29, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshal

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Why did I think you lived in VA? I do. Wanna see my collection of assault weapons and cruise missiles? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, priv

Re: [CGUYS] Some of you will find this tragic

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: I still have some important punch cards. Most of them are in the right order. Me too. And several cartons unused. What am I offered for 2000 cards in pristine condition? ***

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I believe that statistics show that the suicide rate increases the higher density the population. That's reported suicides. When nobody notices it doesn't get reported. The sun just bleaches your bones.

Re: [CGUYS] Some of you will find this tragic

2010-04-29 Thread Robert Carroll
I still have some important punch cards. Most of them are in the right order. Paula Minor wrote: s actually up and running on a working, plugged-in DOS machine. But then, I'm a total pack rat. I'm a pack rat too. I'll be holding on to my zip and floppy drivesjust in case. They don't t

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
We also do not let people walk around the streets with loaded guns or let anyone with a card table freely sell firearms. Why did I think you lived in VA? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, priv

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I believe that statistics show that the suicide rate increases the higher density the population. Also during highly stressed conditions. Stewart At 05:22 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: Do your research before you flap your gums. WRONG! Stewart At 05:11 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: On Apr 29, 201

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Do your research before you flap your gums. WRONG! Stewart At 05:11 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: On Apr 29, 2010, at 12:56 PM, mike wrote: That's why the murder rate in DC is one of the highest in the country. Places where people walk around with guns is safer than those places who don't. Town

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 12:56 PM, mike wrote: That's why the murder rate in DC is one of the highest in the country. Places where people walk around with guns is safer than those places who don't. Towns with pop 10 usually do have lower murder rates, prolly have higher suicide rates though. Wh

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
Yes that's exactly what Steve said, zero product testing, none, zip...the phone should stay in the clean room up until delivered. To the rest of us Steve said you probably don't need to test your product in the lions den and maybe taking it to a grocery store, out on the street...maybe a five and

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: None of this whole affair is devoid of wrongness, in my humble opinion. I think it was wrongheaded for an Apple Corp. insider to take a highly secretive prototype iPhone into an establishment well known for being a watering hole that caters

Re: [CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]

2010-04-29 Thread mike
Frequently? Name the last Apple product that was accidentally released. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:20 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > The thing is, Apple has never liked this kind of noise. They like noise >> they control. And at this point, if this guy gets fired it would make the >> evening news. >> >

[CGUYS] skyfire android web browser

2010-04-29 Thread mike
http://www.skyfire.com/ Available from the android store, beta version of the browser. I downloaded and installed and it seems quicker than dolphin or the built in browser, nice UI and features. * ** List info, subscriptio

Re: [CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]

2010-04-29 Thread b_s-wilk
The thing is, Apple has never liked this kind of noise. They like noise they control. And at this point, if this guy gets fired it would make the evening news. Any noise is free publicity. Controlled noise is better. Have you ever done marketing or advertising? There are many ways to keep po

Re: [CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]

2010-04-29 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
And I am already tuning out of this. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- The entire iPhone prototype adventure--"Lost"--can't be too serious to Apple. Otherwise they would have fired the guy who lost it. Just like the TV show, there's lots of confusing twists, and both versions

Re: [CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]

2010-04-29 Thread mike
The thing is, Apple has never liked this kind of noise. They like noise they control. And at this point, if this guy gets fired it would make the evening news. J months are usually the months you look for this stuff. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:43 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > >> I doubt Steve would a

[CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]

2010-04-29 Thread b_s-wilk
I doubt Steve would agree with you. but Powell is arguably the more aggrieved party. The entire iPhone prototype adventure--"Lost"--can't be too serious to Apple. Otherwise they would have fired the guy who lost it. Just like the TV show, there's lots of confusing twists, and both versio

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:06 PM, David K Watson wrote: > OK, so supposedly Apple sent folks over to the guy's house to > demand he give them back the phone, but he wasn't there, so > he didn't. Then presumably having heard about this from his > roommate who was there, he nonetheless sells the iPh

[CGUYS] How to Opt Out of Facebook’s Instant Person alization | Electronic Frontier Foundation

2010-04-29 Thread b_s-wilk
Facebook needs to make money. Is Instant Persalization a good way? EFF doesn't like it. "Friday morning Facebook changed its privacy settings layout, making it a bit more challenging to opt out completely. As before, unchecking the "Allow" box is not sufficient because you need to block each I

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:57 PM, David K Watson wrote: > As to Apple's involvement, it looks like Apple didn't file the theft > report.  Powell did, with the support of his employer's legal staff. > True, Apple clearly wanted the matter to be pursued, but Powell > is arguably the more aggrieved p

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
Bottom line is, we know Giz and the guy who sold the phone knew Powell had lost it and could have contacted him. They chose not to. Like I said before, Calacanis's take on this is everyone involved is either an idiot or a dick, there are no innocents here...I like that version myself. On Thu, Ap

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
I doubt Steve would agree with you. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:57 AM, David K Watson wrote: > but Powell is arguably the more aggrieved party. > > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy *

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread David K Watson
OK, so supposedly Apple sent folks over to the guy's house to demand he give them back the phone, but he wasn't there, so he didn't. Then presumably having heard about this from his roommate who was there, he nonetheless sells the iPhone to Gizmodo. It still looks wrong to me. PC World report

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread David K Watson
Additionally, there is a difference between the police denying that Apple had any part in the raid and their simply being silent on the matter until they made an official statement, which appears to be what actually happened. As to Apple's involvement, it looks like Apple didn't file the thef

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:49 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Apr 29, 2010, at 11:23 AM, David K Watson wrote: >> >> Whether the police were within the law in executing their warrant >> is a matter of dispute, but even if being a blogger makes Jason >> Chen a journalist, there is already some legal preceden

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:46 PM, tjpa wrote: > In my town the names of crime victims and witnesses are not given out by the > police. What? No one suspected that Apple Corp. was the claimant here? All that the police said initially was that Apple Corp. did not have a hand in the processe

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
http://mashable.com/2010/04/29/jon-stewart-apple/ The definitive take on the issue. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:57 AM, David K Watson wrote: > > That is not a fair or accurate comparison. > > > > How is it not a fair comparison? A running car in a convenience > store parking lot has the presumpti

Re: [CGUYS] Some of you will find this tragic

2010-04-29 Thread mike
Safe to say...you would need cases. Imagine the horror of reinstalling an OS off floppies...now imagine trying to watch the 8 gig rip of iron man off floppy. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:42 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: > I transferred data from all of my floppy disks to Zips, then CDs over a > dozen years

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread David K Watson
> That is not a fair or accurate comparison. > How is it not a fair comparison? A running car in a convenience store parking lot has the presumption that the owner will return to it very quickly, while a phone that has been left unclaimed for a few hours does not, but that has no bearing on t

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
That's why the murder rate in DC is one of the highest in the country. Places where people walk around with guns is safer than those places who don't. I see you've devolved into 'no facts for you' mode and will now not answer for any of your previous misstatements. Just keep tossing it on the wal

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 11:23 AM, David K Watson wrote: Whether the police were within the law in executing their warrant is a matter of dispute, but even if being a blogger makes Jason Chen a journalist, there is already some legal precedent that shield laws can't be used to enable journalists to hi

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: And how is this different then today? When I call in a crime I just get a case number for the insurance company. You must have a bunch of tea baggers running your city council. ***

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:56 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Additionally, it was at first denied by the San Mateo Police that Apple ever had any hand in the raid and search of the premises in question. We now know that to have been untrue, and a silly thing for the authorities to have said in the fi

Re: [CGUYS] Some of you will find this tragic

2010-04-29 Thread b_s-wilk
I transferred data from all of my floppy disks to Zips, then CDs over a dozen years ago, then to DVD, gave most of them away, but still have a few to use with my ancient computers. Problem is that my Mac SE has a broken floppy drive--only works on a network; makes a better museum piece. I went

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
This is the problem...let's get the facts straight and then referenced is a part of the article that is not confirmed... On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:56 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:35 AM, t.piwowar wrote: > > > Apple sent folks over to the guy's house to demand he g

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread David K Watson
I don't think you have the facts quite straight here. Here is Gizmodo's own account of how they got the phone: According to this account, the phone was picked up at the bar by the person who was sitting next to Powell (the one who l

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:35 AM, t.piwowar wrote: > Apple sent folks over to the guy's house to demand he give them back the > phone.  He didn't. Let's do get the facts straight. The PCWorld article you referenced was drawing upon another story that appeared in Wired Magazine. The represen

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:56 PM, mike wrote: > If I was a judge in this case my first query would be if this item is worth > so much, money, market share..etc...why did you send some kid into a bar to > leave it while he went out and took a leak in the alley? This super secret > phone from Apple

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Jeff Miles
And how is this different then today? When I call in a crime I just get a case number for the insurance company. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Apr 27, 2010, at 7:37 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Apr 27

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
Yeah...the headline should clue you in. Fact vs speculation...speculation usually, at least to the rest of us means 'this part may be BS but we'll say it anyway'. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:35 PM, t.piwowar wrote: > On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: > >> It has been ref