Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-22 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
William H Bouterse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;) > but this sounds like a reasonable solution !? what do you mean? xfce is GPL. [and i obviously did not say anything on xfce for long, except that i don't like it :-)] -- Guillaume Cottenceau --

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-22 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > William H Bouterse a écrit : > > > > I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;) > > but this sounds like a reasonable solution !? > It seems you are confusing me with my honorable homonym working for > MandrakeSoft, Guillaume Cottenceau, as i ne

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-22 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
"David Foresman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > i always use SBLIVE as the perfect example of this. > > Before creative opened the source for emu10k1, the driver was binary only, > only worked with 1 kernel, and didn't work that well. > > After 1 month of being open source, the driver compiled,

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-22 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
Geoffrey Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > it under some free license, i ain't gonna vote to include htem in the distro. Anyway; we have made MandrakeSoft's position very clear: nothing non-free should be in the installation CDROM, except Netscape (because we can't remove it at present t

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-22 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
Guillaume Rousse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > Those binaries could be provided on commercial CD for full boxed > distribution, and a README file explaining why they aren't included, Yes, that is what was studied, at least for riva stuff. I don't know what is the status. Jean-Loup? > al

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-22 Thread Denis Pelletier
Hello, does the 2.2.* kernel in the next release of Mandrake will include the latest patch from utah-glx for AGP? Denis -- ___ Denis Pelletier Étudiant au doctorat sciences économiques, Université de Montreal an ordinary boy an ordinary name

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-22 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > more users are going to have current hardware, like the GeForce2, etc. For > me it is no problem to go to the site and I know exactly where to get the > drivers and who to talk to should issues arise. If everyone at Mandrake is > wanting the distro to be

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-21 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
Guillaume Cottenceau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > We do not do sale ourselves. What I want to say is that we do not do sales by ourselves. [this sentence can be multiply interpreted ;-)] > Anyway by any chance the BETA's will only reflect the situation of a > frozen Cooker at one time

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-21 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
"Hoyt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - Original Message - > From: "Guillaume Cottenceau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Cooker] ISO image > > Sound

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-21 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
William H Bouterse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Could the non-included binaries be mentioned > and simple directions in where to go to get them > be included? This might aid in crossing the bridge > from "only the source" to "but the binary works" :) That was a question for aureal stuff for exa

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-21 Thread Hoyt
- Original Message - From: "Guillaume Cottenceau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] ISO image Sounds like you guys are on the ball with beta testing. Good job. Will any TreLOS/Win4Lin kernel ho

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-21 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Warly wrote: > > > > Dear cooker members, > > > > We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming > > Linux-Mandrake 7.2. > > Noted that it is for 7.2, and NOT for a 7.2 beta test. > No mention of at least a pretence of a beta test,

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-21 Thread Guillaume Cottenceau
Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > So are you still dead set against using binary drivers? The Diamond yes we are ;-). [...] -- Guillaume Cottenceau -- Distribution Developer for MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/

RE: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-21 Thread Oliver Stieber
> I for one make it a practice of purchasing a boxed set > anyway to help the "cause" even if I already have it up > and running. Plus its good to have something "packaged" > to show potential new users/customers. Heck somone has to pay > the salaries/wine bills. I once sent smoked salmon to a dev

RE: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-21 Thread Oliver Stieber
i know it's only beta but how about the g400 driver for xfree4.1, ftp://ftp.matrox.com/pub/mga/archive/linux/2000/beta/ with a few people using it in the 7.2 betas &co, they may be able to get a stable release out intime for 7.2

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-20 Thread Bryan Paxton
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote: > On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 01:40:06PM -0600, Vincent Danen wrote: > > On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote: > > > This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a > > > code freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea

RE: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-20 Thread Franck Martin
Hi, Simple request, that I do not know how to do... Could you release freetds as a RPM in 7.2 (www.freetds.org). Freetds is a library that allows database connection to MS-SQL and SYBASE servers. When PHP is compiled with --enable-sybase, it allows the PHP code to access the above database throu

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-20 Thread Ben Reser
On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 01:40:06PM -0600, Vincent Danen wrote: > On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote: > > > This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code > > freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer now, at > > lea

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-20 Thread Bryan Paxton
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, you wrote: > On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote: > > This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code > > freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer > > now, at least for this version cycle. > > But t

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-20 Thread Vincent Danen
On Sat Aug 19, 2000 at 11:17:17AM -0500, Bryan Paxton wrote: > This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code > freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer now, at > least for this version cycle. > But the install needs the ability when in c

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-20 Thread Pixel
William H Bouterse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Could the non-included binaries be mentioned > and simple directions in where to go to get them > be included? This might aid in crossing the bridge > from "only the source" to "but the binary works" :) try urpmf!

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-20 Thread Pixel
Anton Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Side note to Pixel: While the installer has improved tremendously since > you started the GI, it is still *much* slower than the old one we used > on 6.x (ca. 40 minutes to install 1 GB, compared to 15-18 with the 6.x 15-18 for installing 1GB in 6.x ? r

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-20 Thread Pixel
Troels Liebe Bentsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Keyboard selection in 7.1 is broken (at least for danish keyboard), i > would be nice to see this fixed i 7.2. how is it in cooker? ok? > Move Keyboard and Language selection to bootdisk's so it would be > possible to localize the bootdisks. n

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Michael Irving
Well first off.. Make a beta that is freezed totally ( atleast for a week) Where I can test and give pointers and not get a message saying "Oh we have fixed that.. didn't you mirror this or that package??" A freeze is where NOTHING happens to the packages for a while, while we are testing.. It is

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Ron Stodden
Warly wrote: > > Dear cooker members, > > We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming > Linux-Mandrake 7.2. Noted that it is for 7.2, and NOT for a 7.2 beta test. No mention of at least a pretence of a beta test, so this time you are at least being honest. An ISO is prem

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Guillaume Rousse
William H Bouterse a écrit : > > I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;) > but this sounds like a reasonable solution !? It seems you are confusing me with my honorable homonym working for MandrakeSoft, Guillaume Cottenceau, as i never expressed any kind of opinion about XFCE/XFWM (in fact

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread William H Bouterse
I may not agree with Guillaume on XFCE/XFWM ;) but this sounds like a reasonable solution !? Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Those binaries could be provided on commercial CD for full boxed > distribution, and a README file explaining why they aren't included, > along with correct links and installat

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Anton Graham
Submitted 19-Aug-00 by Warly: > Dear cooker members, > We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming > Linux-Mandrake 7.2. Would it be possible/feasible to some of the mirrors to mount the ISO as a loopback so that we could simply mirror/update packages? Frankly, the only

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread David Foresman
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] ISO image > [...] > > > Remember also, complaining to the manufacturers can eventually pay off. > > Witness the recent availability of open source drivers for Yamaha PCI > >

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Geoffrey Lee
[...] > Remember also, complaining to the manufacturers can eventually pay off. > Witness the recent availability of open source drivers for Yamaha PCI > sound cards. > > Were I a hardware manufacturer, I wouldn't care what operating system > was installed on the machine it was going into as long

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Geoffrey Lee
[ ...] feeling lazy, going to cat the 2 replies to one. > > I agree with you Geoff as far as ideals are concerned. The source for these > > drivers *should* be available. However, as far as ease of use goes, more and but they aren't that's why we don't want to include them. > > more users ar

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Anton Graham
Submitted 19-Aug-00 by Tim: >>> So are you still dead set against using binary drivers? The Diamond MX300 >>> sound card (one of the more popular models) uses an Aureal Chipset that >>> requires the drivers from http://linux.a3d.com. Also, I believe NVidia's >>> drivers are still binary, but will

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Bryan Paxton
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, you wrote: This prolly should have been brought up way earlier before a code freeze. And I doubt it's possible to get this idea into the installer now, at least for this version cycle. But the install needs the ability when in custom or expert mode to save your pac

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread William H Bouterse
Could the non-included binaries be mentioned and simple directions in where to go to get them be included? This might aid in crossing the bridge from "only the source" to "but the binary works" :) I have a connection much to slow to grab the ISO with any reliability. Could the betas be offered fo

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Tim a écrit : > > i vote against including binary only stuff here. isn't this the point of > > some distributions after all? to build a proprietary free operating system > > I agree with you Geoff as far as ideals are concerned. The source for these > drivers *should* be available. However, as far

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Tim
> > So are you still dead set against using binary drivers? The Diamond MX300 > > sound card (one of the more popular models) uses an Aureal Chipset that > > requires the drivers from http://linux.a3d.com. Also, I believe NVidia's > > drivers are still binary, but will the newer cards be supported

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Troels Liebe Bentsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dear cooker members, > > We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming > Linux-Mandrake 7.2. > > If you want some special versions or patches included in, please > give your comments fast. > > We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Geoffrey Lee
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Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Tim
- Original Message - From: "Warly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: [Cooker] ISO image > > Dear cooker members, > > We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming > Linux-Mandrake 7.2. > > If you want some sp

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Mattias Eriksson
One thing I like to see is some improvements of the Installer, when I choose upgrade automaticly I wanted to do a dist upgrade like debian. That mean I want to upgrade the exitsting packages and add the new features that have been added to the distro. I don't want to upgrade my system to the sy

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Jan Niehusmann
> If you want some special versions or patches included in, please > give your comments fast. I'd really like to see LVM tools included in Mandrake 7.2. LVM (logical volume manager) will be included in linux 2.4 and patches are available for 2.2, so at some point, possibly within the livetime

Re: [Cooker] ISO image

2000-08-19 Thread Andreas Simon
Warly wrote: > > Dear cooker members, > > We plan to release next week our first iso image for the upcomming > Linux-Mandrake 7.2. > > If you want some special versions or patches included in, please > give your comments fast. > > We know that we had a bad communication process for 7.1 with yo

Re: [Cooker] ISO Image Size

2000-01-01 Thread Pixel
John Ratke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > > I assume that the goal is to make everything fit on one CD? yep [...] > Is there something I can get rid of that I won't need to install like > the Mandrake/mdkinst or Mandrake/instimage directories? > you can get rid of Mandrake/instimag

Re: [Cooker] ISO Image Size

1999-12-31 Thread coopers
John Hope I'm not over-simplifying here, but I used one of the newer "80 minute" cd-r's with no prob. :) 700 meg worth. get 'um everywhere bill John Ratke wrote: > I created my own iso image by following the directions from the web > page. (Actually I had to change gi_cdrom.img to just cdrom.im

Re: [Cooker] ISO image - NeoMagic problems

1999-12-26 Thread Chris Cable
Pixel, What do you mean by augmenting the timeout? I downloaded the Oxygen-2.iso last night and tried it again and it tried it. All it does is ask to use pcmcia and then after selecting no it displays continueing to second stage and then after a few moments and the CdRom spinning it comes back wi

Re: [Cooker] ISO image - NeoMagic problems

1999-12-26 Thread Axalon Bloodstone
On 26 Dec 1999, Pixel wrote: > > > Also has anyone had problems with installing with a > > > neomagic chipset? I keep getting a X11Socket Error > > > that says it cannot connect error = 111. > > > > Does fbcon load, if so just retry a few times. the Xserver takes awhile to > > start sometimes.

Re: [Cooker] ISO image - NeoMagic problems

1999-12-26 Thread Pixel
Axalon Bloodstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Chris Cable wrote: > > > Is there a list of what has been changed or included > > in each successive iso image? I was just curious if > > there was a way to browse what has been changed, just > > for reference. > > No > > >

Re: [Cooker] ISO image - NeoMagic problems

1999-12-26 Thread Axalon Bloodstone
On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Chris Cable wrote: > Is there a list of what has been changed or included > in each successive iso image? I was just curious if > there was a way to browse what has been changed, just > for reference. No > Also has anyone had problems with installing with a > neomagic chip