Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-10-10 Thread oren.salo...@gmail.com
Hey all, as the struggle for definition of coworking continues, I brought this up to Alex H. over drinks last night in Philly and he jokingly said defining coworking is like defining a restaurant, how do you define something that has so many forms? Immediately we looked up the definition of

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-10-07 Thread Ramon Suarez
Thanks for that reply Alex. With that included here's the whole list Calls itself a coworking space. Has a fully dedicated space for coworking (not just a few hours or a cafeteria shared with patrons). Has an active community of members, not just clients. Has a facilitator dedicated to

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-23 Thread Alex Linsker
I think the open/closed part might be summarized as: Open decision-making: sets explicit, transparent, public limits on who can be a member and how they can participate; does not have implicit or hidden rules or processes for determining or excluding potential members. That still leaves some

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-23 Thread Steve King
I like the list as well as Alex's add on open membership decision-making. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-22 Thread Ramon Suarez
Based on your responses I've got this: - Calls itself a coworking space. - Has a fully dedicated space for coworking (not just a few hours or a cafeteria shared with patrons). - Has an active community of members, not just clients. - Has a facilitator dedicated to

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-19 Thread Ramon Suarez
Jon, I do as you do. They are members of a community and at the same time they are clients. They pay for a service, not only for belonging. Ramon Suarez Serendipity Accelerator, Betacowork Author: http://coworkinghandbook.com email hangouts: ra...@betacowork.com Phone: +3227376769 GSM:

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-17 Thread Marius Amado-Alves
I think a general definition of coworking is entirely possible I chose poorly the word general, sorry. I meant something else, to be discussed when I find the right words. Incidently, I have just proposed a definition on the hyphenization thread. -- Visit this forum on the web at

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-16 Thread Ramon Suarez
Let's hear it for you definition Randy! -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-16 Thread Ramon Suarez
Let's hear it for you definition Randy! -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-16 Thread Jon Stever, The Office RW
Re: clients vs. members. I would definitely agree on the philosophical distinction. Essentially,it's trying to tease out whether the space exists to build a community (members) or to earn a margin on real estate (clients). This is an important dichotomy, but it's also strictly false as we

[Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-15 Thread Marius Amado-Alves
The space totally irrelevant. Members that never show up, even. Pure sense of belonging. Fascinating, indeed. But not coworking. -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Coworking group. To

[Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-15 Thread Katherine Warman Kern
I totally agree with Alex L. about Open not being a requirement. We have chosen the path of being dedicated to the creative business and I think our members appreciate being a part of a community where everyone can find some synergistic benefits. Importantly, we consider the creative business

[Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-15 Thread Steve King
Alex: For the purposes of our coworking definition open means the coworking facility will consider anyone within their target segment as a member, make it easy for anyone within that segment to apply and has a membership process such that anyone within the target segment could potentially be

[Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-15 Thread Marius Amado-Alves
... the rapid hybridization of coworking means things are changing very fast - making any definition questionable in terms of accuracy. That's why threads like this are so useful. (Steve) Very useful indeed, for analysing the things in and around coworking. One important such thing

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-15 Thread Randall Arnold
I think a general definition of coworking is entirely possible-- it's getting into *specifics* that twists people around. ;) Randy On September 15, 2014 at 4:10 PM Marius Amado-Alves amado.al...@gmail.com wrote: ... the rapid hybridization of coworking means things

[Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-14 Thread Nicolas Bergé
I recently asked the members of Les Satellites What makes a good coworking space ?. I received different answers, none of them put the space as a criteria. I've realized that members are the best to define what coworking is and what coworking is not, even though they only know a few

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-14 Thread Jerome Chang
That would be a good start. Seems to me that a survey across a broader spectrum that includes people not in your space. Otherwise it would be like surveying patrons in a burger joint what makes a restaurant, which they might say fries!, but if in a sushi restaurant, fresh fish! Basically, your

[Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-14 Thread Alex Linsker
Steve, what do you mean by open vs closed? Is an application form with fill out your info and maybe we'll let you work here if we think you're a good fit based on our criteria which we can't/don't publicly disclose closed? I would hope so. I think this whole thread is fascinating. Jeannine,

[Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-13 Thread Steve King
Great discussion and I really like the restaurant analogy. We use the following criteria to identify a space as a coworking space: - self-identifies as providing coworking space or uses language close to this. - offers a range of membership options such as daily, weekly, monthly, etc.

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-13 Thread Alex Hillman
Glad you mentioned Ray’s recent posts. This one was truly fantastic, full of gold. 

[Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-12 Thread vgratian
Re #3: I think that a crucial point is not only *how *coworkers are treated, but also *what* they are called. If they're called *clients,* *renters* or something similar, then this is a strong indication that we have an office space of a slightly different format: flexoffice, business center,

[Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-12 Thread Jeannine
Count on Ramon for a great discussion. :-) It is also true that many things vary from country to country. If you arrive inthe Netherlands with a message that we love each other it is going to come over in not exactly the same way as it does in the Bay Area. Or in Canada. Not at all to knock

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-12 Thread Alex Hillman
In my opinion a coworking space -- being a community of coworkers -- always calls and treats its coworkers members. ​I like this one a lot!! -Alex -- Visit this forum on the web at http://discuss.coworking.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-12 Thread Ramon Suarez
Thanks to all for your insightful answers :) Thanks for the link Alex, it is really interesting. They have a very simple definition: *The rule was for all participants to check in a location that promotes itself online as “coworking,”* I've gonne the other way around: the definition of

[Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-12 Thread Angel Kwiatkowski
To Alex's map point we've had a lot of success with helping people see our building in relation to other as seen here http://coherecommunity.com/find-us And then maps of the interior of each space here http://coherecommunity.com/the-space/cohere-oldtown and there

Re: [Coworking] Re: Basic elements for a definition of coworking

2014-09-12 Thread Jeannine
Food is love, everywhere. :-) Again on the differences: I cannot call my coworkers members. Bec ause in Dutch the word members (leden) implies a kind of organization called a vereniging (club) and also implies a particular kind of governance (that the members vote on policy and control the