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Dear Louis On 11 Apr 2014 19:36, "Louis Desjardins" wrote: > > 2014-04-11 10:25 GMT-04:00 Dave Crossland : >> >> On 10 April 2014 20:08, Susan Spencer wrote: >> > >> > Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their safety. >> >> Right, and from the earlier messages on this t

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2014-04-11 10:25 GMT-04:00 Dave Crossland : > On 10 April 2014 20:08, Susan Spencer wrote: > > > > Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their > safety. > > Right, and from the earlier messages on this thread, I understood that > at LGM2014 this assurance would be found th

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On 10 April 2014 20:08, Susan Spencer wrote: > > Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their safety. Right, and from the earlier messages on this thread, I understood that at LGM2014 this assurance would be found through the University ombudsman, who would be requested to

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Hello Gregory, Friday, April 11, 2014, 1:24:18 AM, you wrote: > On 04/10/2014 02:08 PM, Susan Spencer wrote: >> Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their >> safety. >> > I am certainly in agreement with a Code of Conduct. > At the same time, one must realize that a Code

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On 04/10/2014 07:36 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: On 10 April 2014 23:26, María Leandro wrote: from the point of view of a victim In the January discussion, it was suggested that all CoC documents be phrased positively rather than negatively, and many people voiced support for that. Rather than a

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On 10 April 2014 23:26, María Leandro wrote: > from the point of view of a victim In the January discussion, it was suggested that all CoC documents be phrased positively rather than negatively, and many people voiced support for that. Rather than anti-badthing, phasing things as pro-goodthing i

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On 04/10/2014 02:08 PM, Susan Spencer wrote: Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their safety. I am certainly in agreement with a Code of Conduct. At the same time, one must realize that a Code of Conduct does not necessarily prevent incidents, it only specifies how

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Hello all. Just trying to help here, so if my comment raise any susceptibility please forgive me. As someone who lives in a "region" where a CoC is completely useless, and someone who has been sexually harassed at different conferences, I must agree that there are different types of harassment, a

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On 10 Apr 2014 19:55, "Tobias Ellinghaus" wrote: > > two equal opponents That abstract concept is a fallacy. It's a mirage. It never occurs in reality. Power is always at play and has many forms. No opponents are equal, each of us has our strengths and weaknesses. Susan's email describes thing

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Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their safety. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2014, 16:57:18 schrieb Susan Spencer: > > I think that many people by now have heard that there has been > > prolonged harassment in t

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Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2014, 16:57:18 schrieb Susan Spencer: > I think that many people by now have heard that there has been > prolonged harassment in the LGM community which No, please elaborate. I guess a discussion can only happen if everyone has the same level of information. > continued

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Are there notes from the meeting? See this thread: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/create/2014-April/004897.html Meeting notes: http://piratepad.net/LGM2014conduct F I think that many people by now have heard that there has been prolonged harassment in the LGM community which continued

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Susan Spencer (susan.spen...@gmail.com) wrote: > The University of Leipzig and the LGM sponsors have not been notified > that there was harassment and assault during the conference. [...] > We have a clear irrefutable example of this in our own community. It saddens me to hear that. I hope that

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Hi Definitely sad news, yet unsurprising. Without a CoC then what to do is for me uncertain, as you say. The coc meeting you describe is as I would expect though - I thought it was to be a prelude to a CoC for 2015+, not to parachute one in to an event in progress, despite the need for that on th

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Dear Susan, dear all As part of the group working on establishing a code of conduct I feel sad that we ended up in this situation. It is rather complicated and muddled with nothing yet in place to respond without hesitation, as Susan clearly points out. The last is surely not said about this;

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I think that many people by now have heard that there has been prolonged harassment in the LGM community which continued into the LGM 2014 conference at Leipzig. This harassment reached a peak with physical assault in an elevator, and there is a witness to the assault. The University of Leipzig an

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On 21 January 2014 13:25, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote: > But whatever > the reason is, not everyone is comfortable with the American (?) way to put > everything into harmless words. So it is similar to the hugging example: may I > not tell someone that he is an idiot if that is the case? Not necessari

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http://rhymeswithorange.com/comics/january-21-2014/ ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create

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Hi, Louis that is correct. br gnokii 2014/1/21 Louis Desjardins > 2014/1/20 S.Kemter > >> Hi, >> >> Nope it hasnt, some here on the list wanted to discuss an CoC >> furthermore, some even wanted to take a vote on it. I feel since days >> ignored because the discussion went on. The only one w

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Hi! On 21 January 2014 17:03, Gregory Pittman wrote: > German and French > intellectuals already covered this ground in a more intelligent fashion > centuries ago. Please do go on. John Kotter seems a bit dumbed down for my tastes, but this sounds more like my sort of thing. Which works by Germa

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2014/1/20 S.Kemter > Hi, > > Nope it hasnt, some here on the list wanted to discuss an CoC furthermore, > some even wanted to take a vote on it. I feel since days ignored because > the discussion went on. The only one who can have a problem with it, is > from my point of view is Louis, because he

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

On 01/21/2014 10:42 AM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > Power exists, whether if you structure it or not. Groups who oppose > abuse of power by very large structured groups often think a total > lack of structure will make them more fair, but this is a mistake. > Democratic structures are useful for dis

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Am Montag, 20. Januar 2014, 20:09:42 schrieb Gez: [...] > A person who's ready to call other people names, making mean comments > about race, gender, sexual orientation or whatever is a jerk. And that > can't be excused by saying you don't know it makes people feel bad. > If the offense has an in

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Hi, Nope it hasnt, some here on the list wanted to discuss an CoC furthermore, some even wanted to take a vote on it. I feel since days ignored because the discussion went on. The only one who can have a problem with it, is from my point of view is Louis, because he has to take it to PSF an look i

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

Dear Sirko, On 20 January 2014 23:46, Dave Crossland wrote: > > On 20 January 2014 15:11, Louis Desjardins wrote: >> >> Would it be ok if we make the decision with the co-organisers of this year’s >> LGM plus the people here who followed the discussion (in silent or not)? > > But clearly its the

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I agree with Chris. +1 On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Chris Lilley wrote: > > 2). Adopt a lightly-reworded PyCon code for this time around, and > gather both feedback and experience using it to decide if a further > refinement is necessary for next time. > > > Would it be ok if we make the d

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Hi! On 20 January 2014 15:11, Louis Desjardins wrote: > > Would it be ok if we make the decision with the co-organisers of this year’s > LGM plus the people here who followed the discussion (in silent or not)? But clearly its the co-organizers' prerogative to figure out who incidents should be e

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Hello Louis, Monday, January 20, 2014, 4:11:57 PM, you wrote: > Clearly, from the standpoint of a co-organiser, we need to settle > this. We basically have two choices (correct me if I’m wrong): > 1. No adoption of a CoC but discussion going on at LGM about this. > Decision of having one (or n

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Gez (lis...@ohweb.com.ar) wrote: > I'm not going to deny that white males from first-world countries have a > privilege, but that statement coming again and again from... white males > from first-world countries, sounds like showing off the privilege rather > than an honest concern. > So please cut

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On 20 January 2014 23:09, Gez wrote: > I'm not sure about how effective a CoC is preventing > incidents. A fire alarm doesn't prevent fires, it helps people know where to go after one has started. The point of a CoC is the same, planning the escalation process ahead of time, to avoid the problem

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El lun, 20-01-2014 a las 16:46 -0500, ginger coons escribió: > Though a CoC might not prevent a determined jerk from being one, having > an set of expectations about what counts as harassing behaviour might > help people realize that what they're doing might be unwelcome. It's > possible to per

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2014/1/20 Gez > > > male white human beings are "priviledged" and also monsters that need > to be kept at bay. > > Guys, after a few rounds this conversation about "white male privilege" > starts to sound a little bit patronizing. > > I'm not going to deny that white males from first-world countr

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On 01/20/2014 03:24 PM, Gez wrote: male white human beings are "priviledged" and also monsters that need to be kept at bay. Guys, after a few rounds this conversation about "white male privilege" starts to sound a little bit patronizing. I'm not going to deny that white males from first-world

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> Gesendet: Montag, 20. Januar 2014 um 21:24 Uhr > Von: Gez > An: create@lists.freedesktop.org > Betreff: Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct > > > > male white human beings are "priviledged" and also monsters that need to > > > be kept at bay. > >

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> > male white human beings are "priviledged" and also monsters that need to be > > kept at bay. Guys, after a few rounds this conversation about "white male privilege" starts to sound a little bit patronizing. I'm not going to deny that white males from first-world countries have a privilege, b

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2014/1/20 Dave Crossland > Hi > > On 20 January 2014 02:29, "Christoph Schäfer" > wrote: > > > > male white human beings are "priviledged" and also monsters that need to > be kept at bay. > > Seems like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_fallacy :) > > Human beings are priviledged in vario

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Hi On 20 January 2014 02:29, "Christoph Schäfer" wrote: > > male white human beings are "priviledged" and also monsters that need to be > kept at bay. Seems like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_fallacy :) Human beings are priviledged in various ways (race, gender, age, class, ability

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On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM, "Christoph Schäfer" < christoph-schae...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi Simon, > > > Hi Christoph. > > > > "Christoph Schäfer" (christoph-schae...@gmx.de) wrote: > > > Second: You don't actually expect a rational discussion on the issues > > > you raised, do you? > > > > Cor

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Hi Simon, > Hi Christoph. > > "Christoph Schäfer" (christoph-schae...@gmx.de) wrote: > > Second: You don't actually expect a rational discussion on the issues > > you raised, do you? > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't either, right? Wrong. I asked very simple questions. > > Your (I t

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Hi Christoph! On 20 January 2014 00:12, "Christoph Schäfer" wrote: > > > First of all, I want to let you know that cutting out your reply is due to > two reasons: > One, your message wasn't in plain text, which, I think, is still a standard > for > Open Source mailing lists (correct me if I am

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Hi Christoph. "Christoph Schäfer" (christoph-schae...@gmx.de) wrote: > Second: You don't actually expect a rational discussion on the issues > you raised, do you? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't either, right? Your (I think) first mail on that topic was very confrontational and the tone

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That's a good point - rather than focusing on the vague and philosophical, the statement can include practical guidelines, etc. Childcare is one, commitment to provide wheelchair access, and possible aids for partially sighted and hearing-impaired... -- On Mon, Jan

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. Januar 2014 um 05:44 Uhr Von: "Dave Crossland" An: "Christoph Schäfer" , "Gregory Pittman" Cc: "Susan Spencer" , "Create ML" Betreff: Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct Hi! > NB: This email offers no practical advice abou

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PyCon, in addition to having one of the best anti-harassment polices, is now providing childcare thanks to their enlightened community: https://us.pycon.org/2014/childcare/ ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/

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Hi! NB: This email offers no practical advice about an LGM CoC, but answers emails that have not yet been answered about the overall context of CoCs in the wide tech community today. Also, the following is my person opinion and doesn't reflect the views of any clients, organisations or projects I

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Hi Susan, >> The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable >> assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for years.   These are two completely distinct issues. >> I can't possibly cover all the bases about this, especially to everyone's >> satisfactio

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Hi Michael! Yes you're correct, there's no need to reinvent the wheel, there are good examples to follow. And a CoC should be adopted whether financial support results from it or not. Is it worth informing the sponsors who require a CoC that we plan to adopt a CoC at the meeting, as there may be

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On 17.01.2014 19:07, Susan Spencer wrote: > Hi Christoph, Hi Susan, > Well, I suppose that a Code of Conduct is meaningless without a plan to > implement it. No need for chaos and confusion and miscommunication to > erupt if an incident occurs. Having a process defined is always the > most effi

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One final link to examples, etc.: "If recent high-profile incidents of sexual harassment and other inappropriate behavior at conferences and conventions haven't convinced you, listen to our expert sources: Your meeting needs a harassment policy. Here's what you need to include." http://www.conven

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On 01/17/2014 01:07 PM, Susan Spencer wrote: > > The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable > assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for years. This just sounds like "everyone is doing it so it must be a good thing to do." Or maybe it's just somet

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To be clear about this, not all 'adult' material or discussions would break a Code of Conduct. So that, by posting the following link, with the disclaimer that it contains adult material and to only click on it if you are not offended by the mention of body parts, I would not be violating any reaso

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Just for kicks, read the Norwegian Cruise Line's Guest Code of Conduct policy: http://www.ncl.com/faq/guest-conduct-policy They make parents repsonsible for their young adult's behavior! o.0 And we probably wouldn't confiscate skateboards, either. On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Susan Spencer

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Hi Christoph, Well, I suppose that a Code of Conduct is meaningless without a plan to implement it. No need for chaos and confusion and miscommunication to erupt if an incident occurs. Having a process defined is always the most efficient way to handle any potential occurrence (this goes for run

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Januar 2014 um 19:41 Uhr Von: "Susan Spencer" An: "ale rimoldi" Cc: "Create ML" Betreff: Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct This is a great code of conduct for community at large. (Thanks Jon!) http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/  

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Lots of other organizations have gone through this process. We're in good company. Here's an article about Heroku's experience in adopting a Code of Conduct. https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2013/12/11/code_of_conduct ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists

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On 01/16/2014 04:47 AM, ale rimoldi wrote: > hi jon, > > thanks for researching and for the links! > >> http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > i specially like the python one: short, to the point and throughout > expressed in positive terms. > > for what i'm concerned, we can adopt it, ju

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On 16 January 2014 11:33, Nathan Willis wrote: > I don't know what the university's policy and structure is on those > issues, but perhaps we could decide what the LGM team wants -- designate a > person or persons? Approach anyone on staff? I understand from Sirko's emails that he has taken the

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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Susan Spencer wrote: > On the surface it sounds reasonable, but what it means is that should an > issue occur then the community feels entitled to complain about the issue > because it makes them uncomfortable, not because something bad has happened. > I would on

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This is a great code of conduct for *community at large*. (Thanks Jon!) http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ And this is a great procedural implementaiton of a code of conduct, needed for a *convention*. https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/ They are two different things, they back

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hi jon, thanks for researching and for the links! > http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ i specially like the python one: short, to the point and throughout expressed in positive terms. for what i'm concerned, we can adopt it, just by replacing python by LGM (and some more minor changes...)

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Susan Spencer wrote: > I applaud the statements that the LGM CoC should be phrased in a positive > way. > > But this is not about staying within comfort zones, its about protecting > people. > If anyone were comfortable with this subject matter then they would be v

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I applaud the statements that the LGM CoC should be phrased in a positive way. But this is not about staying within comfort zones, its about protecting people. If anyone were comfortable with this subject matter then they would be very odd indeed. Many people in Alabama can't talk about race prop

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Wednesday, January 15, 2014, 11:07:48 PM, Jon wrote: > Several has raised the concern that the geekfeminism-based is too > negative and/or agressive by being focused on what wrong behavior is. > Here are two alternative that are instead based on the positive values > one expect people to hold: > h

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2014/1/15 Jon Nordby > Several has raised the concern that the geekfeminism-based is too > negative and/or agressive by being focused on what wrong behavior is. > Here are two alternative that are instead based on the positive values > one expect people to hold: > http://www.kde.org/code-of-condu

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Several has raised the concern that the geekfeminism-based is too negative and/or agressive by being focused on what wrong behavior is. Here are two alternative that are instead based on the positive values one expect people to hold: http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/ http://www.python.org/psf/cod

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Hi On 15 Jan 2014 10:50, "Michael Natterer" wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 20:11 -0800, Dave Crossland wrote: > > On 14 Jan 2014 15:39, "Michael Natterer" wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 14:15 -0500, Louis Desjardins wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I am asked by PSF if we have

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On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 20:11 -0800, Dave Crossland wrote: > On 14 Jan 2014 15:39, "Michael Natterer" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 14:15 -0500, Louis Desjardins wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I am asked by PSF if we have a Code of Conduct? > > > > > > I am sure that at some point in time t

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On 01/15/2014 12:04 PM, S.Kemter wrote: > Hi, > > Well its not about work that's the easy part, thats just a mail. The > problem is another one, we will not have an ok before LGM. If you consider > how much trouble I already had for just extending the opening time and that > it took 2 months to ge

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On 01/15/2014 07:05 AM, S.Kemter wrote: > Hi, > > You are aware that this brings trouble to me? Its not that simple we make > an Code of Conduct and thats just our business. The university needs to > agree to it and they will take that further away to the Ministery of > Culture. Why because they h

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Hi, Well its not about work that's the easy part, thats just a mail. The problem is another one, we will not have an ok before LGM. If you consider how much trouble I already had for just extending the opening time and that it took 2 months to get it. Its not simple here the key close when you are

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Hi! On 15 January 2014 04:05, S.Kemter wrote: > You are aware that this brings trouble to me? > I for one am completely ignorant of the rules around making a CoC at a German university under Saxon law, so I'm sorry that this involves a lot of extra work for you. I guess you can calculate the va

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Hi! On 15 January 2014 04:27, ku.b-mal wrote: > Am 15.01.2014 01:47, schrieb Dave Crossland: > > RTA this time > > > > On 14 Jan 2014 16:09, "Tobias Ellinghaus" wrote: > > > ... > > > > > I don't know about you, but when I approach a group of people that > have given > > > themselves rules l

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On 01/15/2014 05:01 AM, Femke Snelting wrote: > > The short of it: I am for adopting the Python Code of conduct as-is > (which is being developed and publicly discussed here by the way > https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct ) and pick at the > details of it's phrasing later. > The Sho

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2014/1/15 Femke Snelting > On 15/01/14 01:47, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> RTA this time >> >> > >> > On 14 Jan 2014 16:09, "Tobias Ellinghaus" > h...@gmx.de>> wrote: >> > > >> > > Am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2014, 22:40:51 schrieb Andrew Chadwick: >> > > >> > > [...] >> > > >> > > > Codes of c

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Am 15.01.2014 01:47, schrieb Dave Crossland: RTA this time > > On 14 Jan 2014 16:09, "Tobias Ellinghaus" > wrote: ... > > I don't know about you, but when I approach a group of people that have given > > themselves rules like that my first thought would be "OMFG, do I

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Hi, You are aware that this brings trouble to me? Its not that simple we make an Code of Conduct and thats just our business. The university needs to agree to it and they will take that further away to the Ministery of Culture. Why because they have to be sure it breaks not german or/and saxonian

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On 15/01/14 01:47, Dave Crossland wrote: RTA this time > > On 14 Jan 2014 16:09, "Tobias Ellinghaus" mailto:h...@gmx.de>> wrote: > > > > Am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2014, 22:40:51 schrieb Andrew Chadwick: > > > > [...] > > > > > Codes of conduct are mostly just "don't be obnoxious; listen, r

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hi i'm comfortable with a code of conduct... > "The Libre Graphics Meeting was established as and continues to be a > conference open to all those who share an interest in FOSS > graphics-related software. A facet of this openness is that we expect > attendees and especially presenters to show

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It seems this discussion is taking place around three definition sets of heinous behaviors. The 1st set contains injustices against groups as described by Hin-tak (Hi Hin-tak! :D) The 2nd set of heinous behaviors is contained within the 1st set. It is the set of injustices committed against wome

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On 14 Jan 2014 15:39, "Michael Natterer" wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 14:15 -0500, Louis Desjardins wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am asked by PSF if we have a Code of Conduct? > > > > I am sure that at some point in time that question was raised among us but > > I can’t recall if we reached a c

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On 01/14/2014 09:14 PM, Susan Spencer wrote: Can LGM adopt the PSF policy as a temporary measure? http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy Then at LGM we can hold a BOF meeting where results are posted with additional paper for comments. Results will be put forward t

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I just clicked on the geekfeminism url in the previous e-mail. I apologize for making quick judgements, but OTOH, if a "code of conduct" statement is indeed made, and a newcomer is in the position of evaluating whether to come to a conference based on that statement, that's probably the same amount

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Can LGM adopt the PSF policy as a temporary measure? http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy Then at LGM we can hold a BOF meeting where results are posted with additional paper for comments. Results will be put forward to an all-hands vote with amendments welcomed fr

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On 14 Jan 2014 15:51, "Hin-Tak Leung" wrote: > > > Hmm, I rather think some of the geekfeminism content material is rather extreme and make me uncomfortable. The whole site has a lot of stuff. Are you referring specifically to the coc template that is written to have bits you don't want elided?

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RTA this time > > On 14 Jan 2014 16:09, "Tobias Ellinghaus" wrote: > > > > Am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2014, 22:40:51 schrieb Andrew Chadwick: > > > > [...] > > > > > Codes of conduct are mostly just "don't be obnoxious; listen, respect, > > > learn" written out in long form with some specifics about

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Am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2014, 22:40:51 schrieb Andrew Chadwick: [...] > Codes of conduct are mostly just "don't be obnoxious; listen, respect, > learn" written out in long form with some specifics about what's not > to be tolerated. Granted, they say what shouldn't need to be said and > are alway

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Hmm, I rather think some of the geekfeminism content material is rather extreme and make me uncomfortable. The way I see these matters on equality and etc is this: does the paragraphs make sense if you replace every instance of the word "female" by "black person", "Chinese", "dwarf", "Obama"

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On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 14:15 -0500, Louis Desjardins wrote: > Hi all, > > I am asked by PSF if we have a Code of Conduct? > > I am sure that at some point in time that question was raised among us but > I can’t recall if we reached a consensus and if so where would that text be? > > PSF could con

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Just to clarify, I also support having a code of conduct, as one who is able to attend self-funded and probably wouldn't benefit directly from it. Publishing one sends out one more message that the conference is open to everyone to have fun at. Python Software Foundation make publishing a code a r

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On 01/14/2014 03:20 PM, Jon Nordby wrote: > I support having a code of conduct. I had a read through the one at > http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy > and found it to be very sane, both the statement and the practical > guideline on how organization should deal wit

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I support having a code of conduct. I had a read through the one at http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy and found it to be very sane, both the statement and the practical guideline on how organization should deal with matters. Having a policy does pledge organizers

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Am Dienstag, 14. Januar 2014, 14:15:34 schrieb Louis Desjardins: > Hi all, Hi, I guess you are talking about LGM? Just in case I added the corresponding list to the recipients, too. > I am asked by PSF if we have a Code of Conduct? Not that I am aware of. But I might be wrong here. > I am sur

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On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 19:45 +, Andrew Chadwick wrote: > It was mentioned a while back [0]. I'm distinctly at the edge of > organization myself, but I want to see LGM2014 publish a good one > before I attend. It's often easier to change an organization from within... maybe there are people who

Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

It was mentioned a while back [0]. I'm distinctly at the edge of organization myself, but I want to see LGM2014 publish a good one before I attend. Do the PSF have a sample one? If not, simplest to start with the CC0 one on GeekFeminism[1] suitably tailored, just like PyCon. A published incident h

[CREATE] Code of Conduct

Hi all, I am asked by PSF if we have a Code of Conduct? I am sure that at some point in time that question was raised among us but I can’t recall if we reached a consensus and if so where would that text be? PSF could consider funding us but we’d need a published Code of Conduct. A quick follow