Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

>> CSS requires a change in thought process, a re-envisioning of a >> website >> from a different perspective. > > Exactly, at least for those who learned to create web pages without > the benefits of CSS. This is the interesting part, because I'm a professional web designer, and until abou

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

Christie Mason wrote: > [...] Plus I've seen a lot more sites break that are dependant on CSS > for positioning when new browser versions are released. How do you > justify going back to a client to redesign a site that is breaking > because it used CSS targeted for X versions of browser when a

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

From: Bill Brown I, too, am surprised that there are still such strong feelings toward maintaining tables for layout. >As a boy, my father had this pair of channel lock pliers that he used >for everything. >He used the pliers because he always knew where they were, not because >they were th

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

Christie Mason wrote: > I've been very happy that CSS removed the need to have font > declarations littered through the code and being able to change > colors etc from one shared CSS resource, but I'm still not convinced > of the practical usefulness of it for positioning. I've written, erased, re

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

This discussion brings forward some of my own confusions regarding CSS and tables. I have had to redesign sites both ways and it's been my experience that CSS with nested divs and classes is much more difficult/expensive/time consuming than redesigning sites that use a table structure for basic l

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

Hi Ron, You wrote: > ... but if you think that's the way to go... Yes for most purposes, it is--I don't use any screen readers but I suppose they indulge in some version of "Hey this material is data set in a table format to make the relationships more clear." and follow with an effort to use th

Re: [css-d] Centering again :(

Jürgen Zarske wrote: > Thank you very much for the hint. The page is valid now. You're welcome. >>> Let's start at http://www.zarske.ch/galleryTest/p1.html You are getting a side jump in Firefox when changing from a narrow picture to a wide picture and back again caused by the scroll bar appea

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

At 07:57 PM 1/17/2009 +0100, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: >I have no idea who they are either, and finding out is off-topic on this >list. We're here because we need or are able to provide help to solve >CSS related problems, and advance the use of efficient, CSS based, >design solution. Well, I *do* sin

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

At 01:17 PM 1/17/2009 -0500, David Laakso wrote: >The world may end. If so, I rather doubt it will be because you use >tables for layout... *Phew*! Well, THAT is a relief. Ron ;) Woof?... http://www.Psymon.com Ach, du Leni!... http://www.Riefenstahl.org Hmm... http://www.Imaginary-Friend.ca ___

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

Ron Koster wrote: > > Just some thoughts -- I'm certainly interested, of course, in how > others feel about these things. > > Ron :) > Nothing truly worthwhile discipline is easy. CSS is among them. There is a very long and steep learning curve. It is not everyone's "bag." The world may end

Re: [css-d] Centering again :(

Woah! Great! Thank you!! :) Now it looks exactly like I wanted it to. I learned and still learn a lot! Best wishes Juergen Gunlaug Sørtun schrieb: > Jürgen Zarske wrote: >> > >> [...] after searching and reading through a lot of hints how to >> center e

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

Ron Koster wrote: > At 02:20 PM 1/14/2009 -0500, Bill Brown wrote: >> Well, tables and CSS are not mutually exclusive. That is, they can >> be used together, though using them for layout is generally frowned >> upon by the CSS Overlords. > > I'm not sure who these Overlords are, but I presume the

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

At 10:26 AM 1/17/2009 -0800, Erika Meyer wrote: >Here's a short response: if you have not yet drank the w3c web-standards >kool-aid, now's the time. Well, it's been a long, long (and I do mean long) time since I dropped any acid, but if you think that's the way to go... ;) >Just do it. The Web A

Re: [css-d] Centering again :(

Thank you very much for the hint. The page is valid now. Regards Juergen Brian Funk schrieb: > Jürgen Zarske wrote: > >> >> Let's start at http://www.zarske.ch/galleryTest/p1.html >> I guess I am doing something systematically wrong. >> > > These errors may be giving you unexpected results: >

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

Hi Ron! Here's a short response: if you have not yet drank the w3c web-standards kool-aid, now's the time. Just do it. The Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) http://www.w3.org/WAI/ should explain why you should avoid use tables for layout purposes. Here's a longer response: I empathize. I too

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

At 08:22 AM 1/17/2009 -0800, Dan Gayle wrote: >Ask a person who uses a screen reader to answer why tables shouldn't >be used for layout. You'll get your answer soon enough. Pardon my ignorance, but how is it that a CSS layout wouldn't have the same potential issues? >Ask a person who has had to

Re: [css-d] The CSS Overlords

Ask a person who uses a screen reader to answer why tables shouldn't be used for layout. You'll get your answer soon enough. Ask a person who has had to modify or alter a website made in tables, to add new features like a new sidebar or a pull quote within the middle of a block of text. Ask

[css-d] The CSS Overlords

At 02:20 PM 1/14/2009 -0500, Bill Brown wrote: >Well, tables and CSS are not mutually exclusive. That is, they can be >used together, though using them for layout is generally frowned upon by >the CSS Overlords. I'm not sure who these Overlords are, but I presume they're the ones referred to when

Re: [css-d] Differences between Firefox Windows and Firefox MAC OS

Mustafa Quilon wrote: >> Delete "Trebuchet MS" from the font-family string and FF will behave the >> same in Mac and PC. >> > > > I was wondering how did that solve the problem! > > It appears "Trebuchet MS" has a different default line-height and that is > what was causing problem. I didn't l

Re: [css-d] Centering again :(

Jürgen Zarske wrote: > > [...] after searching and reading through a lot of hints how to > center elements with css I am still not able to center just one > thing. Maybe I have to solve it completely different? Code first, explanation below. Replace y

Re: [css-d] Centering again :(

Jürgen Zarske wrote: > > Let's start at http://www.zarske.ch/galleryTest/p1.html > I guess I am doing something systematically wrong. > These errors may be giving you unexpected results: Also, you

[css-d] gap under header in IE

> > 2009/1/9 Anne McKinsey > Greetings, > > This is probably a common problem in IE but I cannot find a previous > message in the archive for it. > > There is a small gap of space (about 2px) below the header on this > page in IE: > > http://www.goldendragonhouse.com/specs.html > http://www.golden

Re: [css-d] Differences between Firefox Windows and Firefox MAC OS

> > Delete "Trebuchet MS" from the font-family string and FF will behave the > same in Mac and PC. I was wondering how did that solve the problem! It appears "Trebuchet MS" has a different default line-height and that is what was causing problem. I didn't look much into the code but adding a def

[css-d] Centering again :(

Hi there While reading "Creating Imagemaps" in "CSS Mastery" from Budd, Moll and Collison I found the nice layout from Douglas Bowman for presenting some pictures (i.e. http://www.dbowman.com/photos/london05/gallery/picadilly-circus.php). As an exercise for me I tried to rebuild this layout but