Re: [css-d] TwoQuestions: min/max-width, change layout with width

2012-01-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012/01/24 11:19 (GMT+0800) Ghodmode composed: Felix Miata wrote: ... Here are a few real-world examples of fixed width sites: http://www.mashable.com 972px http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-mashable2560-01.jpg http://www.stackoverflow.com 960px http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-s

Re: [css-d] TwoQuestions: min/max-width, change layout with width

2012-01-24 Thread David Laakso
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Ghodmode wrote: How wide it should be is a matter of opinion, and I think that's the original question... What do we, as a community, think is a good width. Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com -- Sigh. I have no idea what the community thinks is a "good wid

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Ghodmode
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Paceaux wrote: > geeze, this morning I thought I knew this stuff.  Now I'm lost. See... it was a good blog entry... it made ya think :) __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Ghodmode
Thank you very much Paceaux. Youve made a number of good points. I think I'll do a follow-up blog entry. more comments inline ... -- Ghodmode http://www.ghodmode.com On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Paceaux wrote: > I think other comments have kind of addressed that for most of us in this >

Re: [css-d] TwoQuestions: min/max-width, change layout with width

2012-01-24 Thread Ghodmode
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2012/01/24 19:15 (GMT+0800) Ghodmode composed: > >> I don't know about the original poster's target demographic, but 960px >> works well on a modern computer or a modern mobile device > > Debatable... I guess some of this stuff is a mat

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread David Laakso
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Paceaux wrote: This morning I totally understood font-sizing. Now I don't know anything. Please share any insights you have. Frank M Taylor http://frankmtaylor.com Keep it simple. body{font:100%/1.4 sans-serif}. And allow the primary, secondary, and tertiary c

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012/01/24 18:31 (GMT-0700) Paceaux composed: geeze, this morning I thought I knew this stuff. Now I'm lost. I wasn't thinking that the em or the ex stretched the glyph. I understand that the font-size constructs a square out of the measurement, regardless of the type of measurement.

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Paceaux
geeze, this morning I thought I knew this stuff. Now I'm lost. I wasn't thinking that the em or the ex stretched the glyph. I understand that the font-size constructs a square out of the measurement, regardless of the type of measurement. assuming an "m" is 16px wide but 10px tall, it's to

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jan 25, 2012, at 9:13 AM, Paceaux wrote: > I read the CSS2 spec this afternoon, and learned that the em is really an > "em square" and the square is how font-size is determined. > http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/REC-CSS2-20110607/fonts.html No, not really. 'em' as an unit of measurement is defin

[css-d] Class working everywhere but IE

2012-01-24 Thread Russ Peters
I have a class called "tagline" that is located in the css file here: http://www.redcanoecu.com/_css/global.css It's located in the /*Header*/ section. The problem is that when you go to our site: http://www.redcanoecu.com then try and login to Online Banking the tagline "your dreams our passio

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Paceaux
Years ago I read a book on typography and it didn't click until today that the "em" isn't strictly a horizontal measurement in CSS. I'd never thought that hard about it until today. I was naturally concluding that "em "was a horizontal measurement and "ex" was vertical - and that either could

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Tim Climis
> From my this, it really visually appears as if the em is not an "m" or an > "M" in > even the most plain typeface. That's when the text is centered. If it's left > or > right aligned, you can fit in two more "m". As has been discussed before in this thread, em is not a horizontal measure. I

Re: [css-d] TwoQuestions: min/max-width, change layout with width

2012-01-24 Thread Venditelli, Daniel - Web Development Administrator
I won't speak to appropriate min/max sizes for "most" as that debate seems to already be handling itself quite nicely without me. ;) However, if you want to look into responsive design, Ethan's books is short, to the point and filled with more than enough info to get your feet wet. It's well worth

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Paceaux
This a curious subject that you've brought up. So to satisfy my curiosity as to the size of an em and an ex, I tried the most boring experiment possible: http://cssdesk.com/aHUQR From my this, it really visually appears as if the em is not an "m" or an "M" in even the most plain typeface. That

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Paceaux
I think other comments have kind of addressed that for most of us in this discussion group, we knew that the em isn't one "M". Regarding your article, I have a few thoughts: 1. Experiments have results. For the sake of your readers, provide the results of the experiment. 2. explain the experim

Re: [css-d] TwoQuestions: min/max-width, change layout with width

2012-01-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012/01/24 19:15 (GMT+0800) Ghodmode composed: I don't know about the original poster's target demographic, but 960px works well on a modern computer or a modern mobile device Debatable... I don't know about the current generation of netbooks, but I expect resolutions to go up. Hig

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: I find that an odd formulation, since _no_ letter is 1em wide. On what basis do you claim that, Jukka ? Surely not even you have had time to measure every glyph in every font that has ever been invented ... ! But that’s not the most common common misconception; pe

Re: [css-d] TwoQuestions: min/max-width, change layout with width

2012-01-24 Thread Ghodmode
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2012/01/23 10:35 (GMT+0800) Ghodmode composed: > > >> 960px is a good max width... for most site visitors. > > > ...where "most" is as little as 50% + 1 of today's visitors. I consider that > a gross exaggeration except in cases where you kn

Re: [css-d] I Have a Really Big 'm'

2012-01-24 Thread Ghodmode
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: > 2012-01-24 8:23, Ghodmode wrote: > >>     So, how big is an ‘em’? I set up a small experiment to tell me just >> that. > > > I don’t see the point of the blog entry or the experiment. You acknowledged misconceptions. That's the point...

Re: [css-d] TwoQuestions: min/max-width, change layout with width

2012-01-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2012/01/23 10:35 (GMT+0800) Ghodmode composed: 960px is a good max width... for most site visitors. ...where "most" is as little as 50% + 1 of today's visitors. I consider that a gross exaggeration except in cases where you know your demographic includes no netbook or handheld devices. At