Re: [css-d] Perhaps a simple solution...

2014-02-17 Thread MiB
17 feb 2014 kl. 08:33 skrev MiB digital.disc...@gmail.com: You could also use microformats and make it a part of a hcard (look some text fell off there. It should be: You could also use microformats and make it a part of a hcard (look up microformats and hcard at and here too:

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread MiB
feb 16 2014 23:49 Andrew Cunningham lang.supp...@gmail.com: The problem with b and i is that HTML5 gives them semantic meaning but they also have inherent styling. How is that different from any semantical element? Of I use these elements in a multilingual envirnonment, then for some

Re: [css-d] hiding things and bandwidth?

2014-02-17 Thread MiB
feb 15 2014 06:22 Chris Williams ch...@clwill.com: And how do they do that? How does the server know the user's page width? By their going to m.example.com as opposed to example.com. Or with JS… Javascript analysis of screen type will take care of a majority of users and feed the relevant

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Jens O. Meiert
is span any more semantic that b, i, em, or strong ? On scanning it seems there were responses but none with respect to the spec, which is usually very helpful: span (as well as div) have literally no meaning—“[t]he span element doesn't mean anything on its own” [1], “[t]he div element has no

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Karl DeSaulniers
On Feb 16, 2014, at 4:49 PM, Andrew Cunningham lang.supp...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with b and i is that HTML5 gives them semantic meaning but they also have inherent styling. Of I use these elements in a multilingual envirnonment, then for some languages I would need to change

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Peter H.
I've always had a problem understanding why em and strong are supposedly more semantic than i and b. Italics don't necessarily indicate emphasis and bold doesn't necessarily indicate importance. Often they're nods to traditional comprehension of things or to the organisation of a text so as to

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Philip Taylor
Peter H. wrote: I've always had a problem understanding why em and strong are supposedly more semantic than i and b. Because em means emphasised and strong means strongly emphasised (semantic, saying nothing about how they will be rendered) whilst i means set in italics and b means set in

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Peter H.
El 17/02/2014, a las 11:01, Philip Taylor escribió: Peter H. wrote: I've always had a problem understanding why em and strong are supposedly more semantic than i and b. Because em means emphasised and strong means strongly emphasised (semantic, saying nothing about how they will be

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Barney Carroll
While bikeshedding around 'how semantic' people feel any given element to be is a great laugh (although definitely off-topic for this list), I would highly recommend the HTML specification for insight into the purpose of any HTML element, especially when confusion arises over the possibility of

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Peter H.
El 17/02/2014, a las 11:29, Barney Carroll escribió: While bikeshedding around 'how semantic' people feel any given element to be is a great laugh (although definitely off-topic for this list), I would highly recommend the HTML specification for insight into the purpose of any HTML

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Philip Taylor
Barney Carroll wrote (probably citing one of the finite-but-unbounded number of HTML 5 draft specifications) : The em element isn't a generic italics element. Correct. It has no connection with italics at all other than a historical one. Sometimes, text isintended to stand out from the

Re: [css-d] hiding things and bandwidth?

2014-02-17 Thread Chris Williams
Which is precisely what I suggested as one of the two alternatives: use JS to serve up content based on screen size. On 2/17/14 12:27 AM, MiB digital.disc...@gmail.com wrote: Javascript analysis of screen type ... __

Re: [css-d] hiding things and bandwidth?

2014-02-17 Thread Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh
Only this group's mentor and creator can set the rules. Because this group IS a forum for discussing CSS it seems right to limit fine-grained how-to-do-it discussion to CSS only. But the use of CSS in the real world invariably happens in a context that almost always includes a mixture of

Re: [css-d] hiding things and bandwidth?

2014-02-17 Thread MiB
17 feb 2014 kl. 17:48 skrev Chris Williams ch...@clwill.com: Which is precisely what I suggested as one of the two alternatives: use JS to serve up content based on screen size. I underscored the importance from my perspective not having a separate ”mobile” web site. Whatever the details,

Re: [css-d] hiding things and bandwidth?

2014-02-17 Thread MiB
feb 17 2014 18:05 Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh sandy.pittendr...@gmail.com: So at higher big picture level some discussion about how CSS fits into the overall scheme of things still seems appropriate. Exactly. Using Javascript cookies and (initially) a double GET to determine the state of

Re: [css-d] hiding things and bandwidth?

2014-02-17 Thread MiB
MiB digital.disc...@gmail.com: the choices a developer will have to make is about a complete system rather than individual solution. Solutions obviously. Sorry about that. /MiB __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org]

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Richard Grevers
It must be remembered that the presentation layer is optional, and CSS isn't always available. It might be due to a server error or timeout (i experience that on maybe 1% of page loads), or, as HTML rendering capability extends to ever-smaller devices, a physical limitation. span has no default

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Micky Hulse
Ya'll, I hate to be rude, but isn't markup debates a little OT for CSS-d? http://css-discuss.incutio.com/wiki/Off_Topic __ css-discuss [css-d@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread MiB
17 feb 2014 kl. 18:35 skrev Richard Grevers richard.grev...@gmail.com: But if the differentiation of such text matters, it makes sense to use markup that will differentiate it regardless of the availability of CSS. A valid point. In most cases this is em or strong, often with a class to

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread MiB
feb 17 2014 18:51 Micky Hulse mickyhulse.li...@gmail.com: Ya'll, I hate to be rude, but isn't markup debates a little OT for CSS-d? Actually it is indeed OT, except for where it ties in directly with CSS. References to external discussions on the topic are not OT, IMHO. So good point.

Re: [css-d] Will the unsemantic HTML elements B and I be soon phased out?

2014-02-17 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
2014-02-17 19:35, Richard Grevers wrote: It must be remembered that the presentation layer is optional, and CSS isn't always available. It might be due to a server error or timeout (i experience that on maybe 1% of page loads), or, as HTML rendering capability extends to ever-smaller devices, a

[css-d] Change formatting based on browser capability?

2014-02-17 Thread Freelance Traveller
Although the subject might immediately have people thinking about Internet Explorer - and older versions, at that - in this case, it's FireFox that appears to be the problem child. The issue here is that even though the spec isn't necessarily clearly defined, most browsers make a reasonable

Re: [css-d] Change formatting based on browser capability?

2014-02-17 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Le 18 févr. 2014 à 10:06, Freelance Traveller edi...@freelancetraveller.com a écrit : The issue here is that even though the spec isn't necessarily clearly defined, most browsers make a reasonable attempt at supporting display:run-in. Firefox doesn't. Neither do older versions of IE, nor

Re: [css-d] Change formatting based on browser capability?

2014-02-17 Thread Jon Reece
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Re: [css-d] Change formatting based on browser capability?

2014-02-17 Thread Freelance Traveller
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:58:58 -0500, Jon Reece jon.re...@gmail.com wrote: I'm probably misunderstanding the question, but based on your pseudo-code you could accomplish this with CSS 2.1 using display: inline: Example: http://codepen.io/jreece/pen/yznEw Actually, you _were_ misunderstanding the