[css-d] Getting my CSS-D password...

I hate being *THAT* person, but looks like I have to be this time... I don't have my CSS-D password anymore, so went to the site to get a reminder and noticed a catch-22: http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d/ -- To change your subscription profile (set account options, *get

Re: [css-d] 3 column layout. Am I missing the obvoius? (question and commentary)

> Hi Darrel, > This approach used to be very common, but now most authors don't want > to > have their content come last. Good point, Thierry. I do imagine most of the complexity comes from wanting source order options. In this case, we're OK, given it's an intranet. Bill...I just saw your Holi

[css-d] 3 column layout. Am I missing the obvoius? (question and commentary)

Over the past year or so, my HTML + CSS work has been mostly producing layouts for other visual designers. CSS has been great and it's been fairly easy to layout the pages from scratch. Most of these were 2-column layouts where we had control over the content. I'm now wanting to build a 3-column f

Re: [css-d] ASP.NET and http://validator.w3.org/

> There are some elements of .NET output a developer has no control over. > For example, this source code: > > http://www.asp.net/cssadapters/ This article might help, too: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa479043.aspx -Darrel ___

Re: [css-d] ASP.NET and http://validator.w3.org/

> The w3 validator clearly is not compatible with Microsoft ASP.NET code. > Here is an example - http://www.cargovango.com/start.aspx. All of the > code that it flags is generated at run time. It's nothing that a > developer adds. That's one way to spin it! It's probably more accurate to say 'Mic

Re: [css-d] Iframe transparency

> But I still can't get rid of the yellow and purple. > Could > one of you gurus please help? This page does validate. > > http://chekmed.com/test_transparent.html Test_transparent.html is the page (frameset) you are controlling. The iFrame contents is a different page: http://cpml.fnismls.com

Re: [css-d] CSS replace

> Site is dynamic, and there would be far too much > overhead to parse all the content and append a style to any numbers Is the site run from a CMS? One could parse the content going into the CSS with regular expressions and wrap the numbers with Span tags. Of course, to prevent things getting me

Re: [css-d] Links on background images

> Moving the span isn't a bad idea, however if you're doing this out of > concern for non-visual browsing, the title tag can do this part of the work. It *should* but AFAIK, many of the common screen readers ignore TITLE attributes by default. -Darrel __

Re: [css-d] Links on background images

> Darrel, create an with the desired link in the element > that has the background, and give the following CSS: FYI, Anahita is the one asking. That said, while your solution would work, you're left with an empty link (which is neither semantic nor terribly accessible). Again, if you want the

Re: [css-d] Links on background images

> I have created a simple website where the logo is inserted as a background > image in the CSS. >However, I would like the logo to be linked to the index page (so that the >user can click it). Is there > any way to do that with the background image (in other words, is it possible, > in any way

[css-d] Properly toggling the positioning of elements in a DD

I'm using this very nice bit of javascript and CSS to create a expandable/collapsible DL: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/toggle_elements.asp The specific CSS that is used to toggle the positioning of the DD is this: #TJK_DL .showDD {position:relative;top:0} #TJK_DL dd,.hideDD{top:-px;posi

Re: [css-d] CSS Gallery from database

> So what are the thoughts? ...about what? Not quite sure what you are asking. I've built an image/portfolio management tool. The front end CSS is somewhat arbitrary. I could use a CSS template or a table template interchangeably. IMHO, a good content management tool does just that...and leaves

Re: [css-d] Double space after a period

> I've looked around for a stable solution which doesn't > involve putting  ,   etc all over the content > (that's presentational :-) ) and can only come up with using > the old tag (for strikeout): > > s{ > padding-right: 1em; > text-decoration : none; > } Strikeout implies somethin

Re: [css-d] Double space after a period

> Is there a way in CSS to turn a single space after a > period into a double space - without using   (the no > break HTML code)? The drawback to using  , besides > having to type it in, is that if a sentence in the middle of > a paragraph starts on a new line, that line is indented by a

Re: [css-d] Double space after a period

> Is there a way in CSS to turn a single space after a > period into a double space - without using   (the no > break HTML code)? The drawback to using  , besides > having to type it in, is that if a sentence in the middle of > a paragraph starts on a new line, that line is indented by a

Re: [css-d] Are CSS Drop-down Menus Searchable

> > If you turn of javascript and CSS can you still see the menu items? > > If > > so, then yes, search engines shouldn't have a problem with it. > > I think we're on off-topic ground here, but just wanted to > step in on this one point. A menu can indeed have its > sub-menus hidden, even with

Re: [css-d] Are CSS Drop-down Menus Searchable

> I was wondering if "in general", text based submenu(s) would > be searchable by search engine spyders or robots? If you turn of javascript and CSS can you still see the menu items? If so, then yes, search engines shouldn't have a problem with it. The main issue is that two popular web tools (D

Re: [css-d] css compatible for 600x400 and 1024x640 resolutions

> Though I note that it is, somewhat ironically, itself a fixed-width > column of text. :) Not just that, but EXTREMELY wide. Good example of 'do what we say, not as we do'. FYI, if it bothers anyone else, I built a scriptlet that will covert ALAP's CSS to a nice liquid-width layout: http://mnte

Re: [css-d] css compatible for 600x400 and 1024x640 resolutions

> Does anyone know of good solutions that I could test and try > to make the files compatible for both resolutions (600x400 > and 1024x640) ? First of all, don't design for screen resolutions. It's mostly irrelevant. What matters are browser viewport sizes, and that can be anything and everythin

Re: [css-d] (no subject)

> Why not apply that fix to IE only and spare Firefox? You could do: Because...uh...umm...well...that's a good point. ;o) -Darrel __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing h

Re: [css-d] 'dropped column' (was: no subject)

> Well, I suppose you could just let the software do its thing > without intervention :-) ? > I could, but that's not what we want to happen. So that's not a viable solution. (and thanks for fixing the 'no subject'...me = embarrassed ;o)

[css-d] (no subject)

I'm using a 3-column layout on our new site. To avoid the dreaded 'dropped column' problem in IE where if the total column widths are greater than the width of the browser, one or more of the column DIVs will jump down the page, I've set any element in the center column that may be too wide to get

[css-d] Getting Tables to overflow with scroll

I'm on my 3rd CSS overhaul of our site templates. I'm actually fairly happy with this latest solution, and took some advice from previous queries on how to handle content that is too-wide for the columns (thereby pushing other columns down the page) and decided to set all of the objects within the

Re: [css-d] Tables it is! (no luck finding a 3-column layout thatworksin IE...)

> I've had much success in avoiding this problem w/ a judicious > use of overflow:hidden Well, we can't HIDE the content ;o) I did try overflow: scroll, but that, while works, is goofy looking and I'm afraid will just confuse most folks that encounter it. There are two main culprits: - large

Re: [css-d] Tables it is! (no luck finding a 3-column layout that worksin IE...)

> In any case, if you cannot control how wide the main content > will be then you either > > a) have a very bad CMS that allows the editors too much > freedom in designing the page rather than editing content or It's our own CMS and we can only restrict content editing to a point. If somone nee

Re: [css-d] Tables it is! (no luck finding a 3-column layout that works in IE...)

> well isn't that quite obvious? if you don't wan't it to drop, > you simply can't make them too wide. I'm in control of the template. Not how wide the content inside the template is on a page-by-page basis. > i think you should look > for something like an "auto resizeable columns" tutorial. n

Re: [css-d] Tables it is! (no luck finding a 3-column layout that worksin IE...)

> What about using a min-width value to prevent the problem? Because I'm not in control of the content, therefore, someone can always put something wider in the content area than any min-width attribute I set. Seems like all the 3-column layouts work great if one is also in control of the conte

[css-d] Understanding 'enclosing' divs (my wrapper 'leaks')

I'm stumped on my layout. I have a div that surrounds all my page content: #pageFrameRight { background-color: #fefefe; border: 0px; background-image: url(/assets/bgnd_wrapShadow_right_33.gif); background-position: right top; padding: 0px 15px 0px 0px;

Re: [css-d] Dropdown menu issue

> The UDM4 menus were actually a suggested method - but I was > putting that off because I didn't want to start from scratch > again FYI, the better menu scripts like UDM4 and PVII's just work off of a standard nested UL. So, in terms of your markup, there shouldn't be much that you need to c

[css-d] Tables it is! (no luck finding a 3-column layout that works in IE...)

Well, I've looked through the exhaustive list of 3 column layouts that the Wiki crew has so remarkably maintained: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ThreeColumnLayouts Alas, I couldn't find a single layout that prevented the IE/PC problem where if one of the columns has content too wide, it dr

Re: [css-d] Dropdown menu issue

> Bascially, I'm a subcontractor for the designer. And I know > you all have had those clients that will *just not listen* to > you when you say something can't be done. This is the issue > we're having. The client wants the Son of Suckerfish > dropdowns (which were implemented and work grea

Re: [css-d] Dropdown menu issue

> hover links to expand the submenus. The thing is, some of > the lists get *really* long, and when you hover over a menu > selection, the dropdown will fall below the viewable area of > the screen (I'm on 1280 x 1024 - and it even does it to me - > I can't imagine what's being cut off from vi

[css-d] Preventing DIVs from dropping down - PART II

Thanks to the last round of anwers, I *thought* I had my page layout problem fixed where one div would push the other below it if the browser was shrunk. I ended up adding a second wrapper div, which fixed IE from miscalculating the widths of the two divs, then gave all IE users a fixed-width layo

Re: [css-d] Preventing DIVs from dropping down the page on smaller screens.

> I don't know what the name of this IE-phenomenon is, but it's > indeed a non-uncommon problem. IE is computing the width of a > column in a % of (in this case) the body width. That is too much! > With an extra box inside you can set the parent width to > 100%, and then IE is performing as it s

Re: [css-d] Preventing DIVs from dropping down the page on smaller screens.

> Look at example #3 on this site: > http://www.antix.co.uk/code/css/imposing_minimum_width/ Thanks. I need to do some min-width anyways, I've decided. Alas, the expression method crashed my IE. So, I'm not too trusting of it. ;o) Think I'll go with the spacer image. Old-fashioned, but it'll wor

[css-d] Preventing DIVs from dropping down the page on smaller screens.

Is there a common way to solve DIVs from dropping down the page when the browser is shrunk short of using min-width settings? I'm having a problem mainly in IE. My markup is like this: Div pageWrapper div leftNav {width: 200px; float: left;} Div contentColumnsWrapper {margin-left: 210px;}

Re: [css-d] Pointer to JavaScript Timeout for my CSS Menu please

> I've got a horizontal drop-down CSS menu with flyouts for > which I'd like to add some code to prevent the drop-downs & > flyouts closing if the mouse accidentally moves away. I can't give you a specific answer other than I've tried this in the past and finally realized that writing fly-out na

Re: [css-d] CSS dropdown menu + Accessibility Issue

> Secondly, I've a bit of an accessibility issue with this > menu, A CSS-only menu will be less usable/accessible than a good javascript+css menu. Note that there are a LOT of bad javascript+css menus too. The problem with an all-css solution is that you don't have the ability to add some of t

Re: [css-d] Wrapping images in containers without widths?

> What if you floated the div? That will shrink wrap the div to content. Yep. That did it. Thanks! -Darrel __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discu

Re: [css-d] Wrapping images in containers without widths?

> I would expect spans to wrap with and height as long as you > count the > space for the tails of p and y as images sit in the text baseline. > Do you have a test page or other url we can play with? http://www.darrelaustin.com/stuff/spanTest/ I have an image surrounded by 3 spans all with

[css-d] Wrapping images in containers without widths?

Is there away to wrap an image in a container (span or div) without having to give the span or div an explicit size? DIVs by default, of course, are wrapping the height of the image just fine, but want to take up the full horizontal space of the parent container. SPANs seem to be doing the oppos

[css-d] IE fix for white space in the HTML being rendered?

I've been struggling with getting a UL formatted so that there isn't a gap between each LI. Set each LI to have a margin of 0, and that worked great for firefox, but not for IE/PC. I finally discovered the fix was to change my HTML from this: link link To this: linklink I

Re: [css-d] Accessible multi-level tabbed navigation

> We are trying to create multi-level tabbed navigation for the > new UC Berkeley calendar. We have one instance where we have > three levels of tabs, with the third level having two lines: > http://mms.media.berkeley.edu:8901/UCBCNUsabilityMockups/Gatew > ay/New/UCBEven Most UI folks would poi

[css-d] Preventing the 'drop to the bottom if it doesn't fit' issue.

I have a typical two column layout using floats. The problem I am having is that in IE, if the right column is narrower than an object within it, the contents of the column is pushed down below the left float in IE. I've seen this before so am hoping it's a common problem (and, really hoping ther

Re: [css-d] ASP.NET/CSS

> The problem with that approach is you're sacrificing control > over your markup with proper seperation of functionality and > design. Yes, but... > If you wanted to make a change to the layout of the > content, you'd have to do a recompile to make the changes, > which is exactly what you

Re: [css-d] ASP.NET/CSS

> Most of my output is through datagrids-( Just MHO, but I've long given up on using .nets built in datagrids for anything more than internal web applications where the interface isn't terribly important. Otherwise, I use a string builder and make my own output ala the asp days. Not ideal, but

Re: [css-d] ASP.NET & CSS

> +1. The client id is very tricky due to the concept of naming > containers > causing your server side ID to be expanded to a name that's > guaranteed to be unique within the scope of the page > (required for PostBack resolution). > However, as stated, classes work flawlessly. You can work aro

RE: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

> Now here's another example for you all: > http://pro.html.it/esempio/proglayout/2col.html > > Assume this was only given to IE. No jitters. Just a smooth > snap. Any complaints? Looks nice. Al has a point *if* one is resizing their browser while reading, but the entire point of the jello lay

RE: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

> > http://www.3tc4u.co.uk/ > > > > Notice the max-width on the center column. A great example. Yes, not bad at all! > It's broken in IE6 when the window is resized. Seems to be working for me. It appears they're using the javascript hack for that. -Darrel _

RE: [css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

> Look at this > http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/sidepages/jello-p > iefecta-clean.html Thaks for all the responses. To clarify, I was specifically looking for liquid (or jello) layouts that used the min/max width attributes well. The above link is a really nice example of the theory

[css-d] Good looking fluid-width sites

This isn't strictly CSS related, but thought this would be a good group to ask. We're currently redesigning our site and I've decided to go fluid-width. In the fluid vs. fixed debates, the usual argument against fluid widths is people with gigantic monitors who (for whatever reason) maximize thei