Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-05 Thread Eileen
On Nov 4, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Angela Trigg wrote: Been developing in Firefox like a good little CSS newbie, and am making the tweaks necessary to make it work in IE6/WIN (which feels like trying to put a rubix cube together) (grin) not a direct answer but have a look at

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-05 Thread Linda H
I wouln't worry too much about Netscape...cover the big ones (IE, firefox, opera, safari). What about AOL. Isn't it's internal browser based on Netscape. And then there is it's new external browser based on IE. Does anyone know if it will do a better job of supporting CSS than IE? I can

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-05 Thread christianz
I can't believe all of us web developer types let Microsoft's monopoly win. Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 00:46:18 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [css-d] I want to scream To: 'css-discuss' css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-05 Thread David Laakso
Linda H wrote: I can understand Angela's frustration. I feel it too. I was very excited about CSS when I first started using it, but poor browser support has really dampened my spirits. Some say a sense of humor helps. They may be wrong. Best, ~dL -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
David Laakso wrote: Some say a sense of humor helps. They may be wrong. No! They are dead right :-) :-) ;-) CSS is pure fun, and buggy browsers only add some more fun[1] to it. Georg [1]http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/molly_1_15.html -- http://www.gunlaug.no

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-05 Thread david
Linda H wrote: I wouln't worry too much about Netscape...cover the big ones (IE, firefox, opera, safari). What about AOL. Isn't it's internal browser based on Netscape. And then there is it's new external browser based on IE. Does anyone know if it will do a better job of supporting CSS

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-05 Thread Vicki Stebbins
Hi Angela, Thought it best I write off list. I know exactly how you feel... My first table less website (all CSS) nearly gave me a nervous breakdown, thank god the client was overseas and not pushing... it took an age and cost us far more to build than quoted and I ended up getting a CSS

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-05 Thread Christian Montoya
Hi Angela, Thought it best I write off list. Was this supposed to be off list? I'm embarrassed, I might have just eavesdropped. -- -- C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com __ css-discuss

[css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Angela Trigg
Been developing in Firefox like a good little CSS newbie, and am making the tweaks necessary to make it work in IE6/WIN (which feels like trying to put a rubix cube together). I felt like I was so close, until I just took a look at it in Netscape 7! I feel like throwing the towel in and going back

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Michael Hulse
On Nov 4, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Angela Trigg wrote: Been developing in Firefox like a good little CSS newbie, and am making the tweaks necessary to make it work in IE6/WIN (which feels like trying to put a rubix cube together). I felt like I was so close, until I just took a look at it in

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Tony Crockford
Angela Trigg wrote: can someone give me a reason to stick it out given all the hacks you have to do, etc? eventually you'll discover the power of CSS - to take semantic (x)html and lay it out one way or another in minutes, to make a minor change across the whole site in seconds, to get

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Michael Hulse
On Nov 4, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Michael Hulse wrote: On Nov 4, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Angela Trigg wrote: Been developing in Firefox like a good little CSS newbie, and am making the tweaks necessary to make it work in IE6/WIN (which feels like trying to put a rubix cube together). I felt like I was

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Angela Trigg
* TRIGGERID www.triggerID.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Crockford Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 6:55 PM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] I want to scream Angela Trigg wrote: can someone give me a reason to stick

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Angela Trigg
PM To: css-discuss Subject: Re: [css-d] I want to scream On Nov 4, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Michael Hulse wrote: On Nov 4, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Angela Trigg wrote: Been developing in Firefox like a good little CSS newbie, and am making the tweaks necessary to make it work in IE6/WIN (which feels like

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Angela Trigg wrote: I feel like throwing the towel in and going back to tables--- seriously-- I can code sites so fast that way because I've been doing it for so many years... ...I've invested hours and hours and hours into trying to get this to work using just CSS.

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Christian Montoya
I know, that's why I'm attempting to learn, but man, it's so tempting to go back. Luckily it's slow here with work so I'm able to devote this time, but normally I can't spend this much time on development for a client. CSS design does take time, because you aren't learning a new form of table

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Phil Glatz
At 03:55 PM 11/4/2005, Tony wrote: Angela Trigg wrote: can someone give me a reason to stick it out given all the hacks you have to do, etc? eventually you'll discover the power of CSS - to take semantic (x)html and lay it out one way or another in minutes, to make a minor change across the

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread ross
. - Original Message - From: Angela Trigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'css-discuss' css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [css-d] I want to scream I don't think the issue is P7, I think it has to do with my nested divs and my lack of skill on using

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Angela Trigg
@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] I want to scream Angela Trigg wrote: I feel like throwing the towel in and going back to tables--- seriously-- I can code sites so fast that way because I've been doing it for so many years... ...I've invested hours and hours and hours into trying

Re: [css-d] I want to scream

2005-11-04 Thread Al Sparber
From: Michael Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Demo at bottom of page:) http://www.udm4.com/demos/horizontal-relative-dropup.php UDM4 is not free - unless one tries to bypass the licensing. That said, the scripts that Angela is using are from our free extensions. We have no way to control how a user