Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-02-01 Thread Zach Shepherd
Due to a resounding lack of interest (of the few people that emailed, some even emailed just to let me know that in the past such ideas didn't develop much momentum), and conflicting requests from those who were interested (I got a few "don't bother with anything but _" requests), it doesn't lo

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-28 Thread dg
I'd think it has most to do with the size of site. If it's "big" as you said, probably dynamically built so really no place for Dreamweaver or any kind of WYSIWYG editing. Most dynamic sites will require very piecemeal code for the programmer to put together later. They might be looking fo

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-28 Thread Cyber Cog
Back in 1999 I was hired as the only front end guy on a team with 5 other Perl and Java programmers all working in UNIX or Linux machines. My nickname was "Mr. Clicky-Clicky". Yea real funny. I had been using DW since I came out and I was really good with it. After about 2 weeks I came into my off

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-28 Thread Fora
I think we'll soon be slapped on the wrist for off-topic material, since this doesn't really have anything to do with what's mentioned in the list policies' practical CSS stuff... I'm hand coding all that I do. I'm not saying I know everything (far from it), but with what I do I know why I'm do

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-28 Thread Highpowered
I believe that using a WYSIWY(M)G editor before learning how to hand code is like learning to use a calculator before learning arithmetic. I like to use Dreamweaver for its site organization tools and its source formatting, as this helps to streamline my workflow. There are other tools I like a

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-28 Thread Nancy Johnson
I use Dreamweaver, but use code-view most of the time. I know the limitations of Dreamweaver. When I was looking for a job I stressed the fact that I wrote CSS and xhtml/html. I had Dreamweaver on my resume. A lot of folks here use Homesite, but I like Dreamweaver The software was less import

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-26 Thread Paul Menard
On Jan 25, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Ben Fider wrote: > I could hand code all day long using only a text editor like Notepad > or > Crimson editor. > > But, I use DW's code view to build most everything, because as I > type HTML > and CSS it beautifully suggests what I begin to type and finishes it

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Rob Emenecker
Scott, I think the reaction may have been a bit over the top. However, your comment immediately after that of, "I have no earthly idea where even to start without dreamweaver holding my hand" may have been the red flag for them. Not that you said that, but they might have gleaned as much. I love

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Zach Shepherd
I'll bite. I haven't seen any comprehensive surveys about css development habits and I certainly think it'd be an interesting thing to get some more information on. I'd certainly be open to suggestions about questions/topics. In the interest of keeping Off Topic posts off of the list, I'd ask tha

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Ben Fider
I could hand code all day long using only a text editor like Notepad or Crimson editor. But, I use DW's code view to build most everything, because as I type HTML and CSS it beautifully suggests what I begin to type and finishes it (if I so choose). This speeds up my coding big time. Furthermore

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jan 25, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Scott Thigpen wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Yesterday I was up for a job to take on a big website and design > it. They > were real impressed with my work, everything was going well until I > said I > coded with the aid of Dreamweaver. Then you would have think I had

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Parag Jagdale
I think you should use DW more as training wheels in the beginning to learn how the actual code works. I am now a 100% hand coder, but I started off with Dreamweaver and learned the html things I didnt know by using the split view and watching the code being written as I used the WYSIWYG. It is us

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread patrick
Scott Thigpen wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Yesterday I was up for a job to take on a big website and design it. They > were real impressed with my work, everything was going well until I said I > coded with the aid of Dreamweaver. Then you would have think I had punched > the guy in the mouth. I mean

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Brian Cummiskey
When I interview, asking what editor they use is one of the first questions I ask, and frankly, the same reaction is given if someone says Dreamweaver. I won't hire them. Even if they do use the code view, it means my company has to buy another adobe license for them at $ dollars instead o

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Eric A. Meyer
At 1:46 PM -0500 1/25/08, Scott Thigpen wrote: >So do most of you guys hand code? Or do you use a wsywig editor to help? Scott, I think your experience stunk. And I say that as a dyed-in-the-wool hand-coder. However, neither debating the merits nor determining the ratio of hand-coding

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Michael Hernandez
I'm more of a lurker on this list but I thought I'd mention that there are some applications that are sort of an in-between (I mean between hand writing everything and letting the program do it all for you). Coda, for example, has a nice css editor built in. It lets you get CSS done with c

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Elli Vizcaino
I use Dreamweaver but in code mode. I don't like using their layout mode. I can equally code by hand in a real simple editor like notepad. I guess you learn from experience to never mention things like "I use Dreamweaver" on interviews or state it in your resume, because even though you could be co

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Jon Hughes
> > So do most of you guys hand code? Or do you use a wsywig editor to > help? > > Thanks > Scott I use dreamweaver, but I don't use the WYSIWYG tools, I really only use it because I'm confortable with it, syntax highlighting and code completion (when I type 'http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/l

Re: [css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Big Moxy
Since I've gotten into CSS and do a lot of back-end programming anyway I end up doing quite a bit of hand-coding. When you are scripting a display DW or any wysiwig editor for that matter is of little value. Sure it can provide the format but the end result is hand coding. Tim Scott Thigpen wr

[css-d] hand coders vs wsywig coders...I had no idea

2008-01-25 Thread Scott Thigpen
Hi Guys, Yesterday I was up for a job to take on a big website and design it. They were real impressed with my work, everything was going well until I said I coded with the aid of Dreamweaver. Then you would have think I had punched the guy in the mouth. I mean there was not even "well we'll th