Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-05 Thread Colleen Jones
-Caveat Lector- Joshua and EMael: Remember the promise to Teo.Be good boys and maintain the dignity and decorum of the CTRL. Meanwhile, Moo Moo is going to the War Protest. Moo Moo Jones DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyztin

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-05 Thread E Mael
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: >There are actually many people who come to their conclusions on their >own. > -> >J2 <- just like josh here DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not all

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-05 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > >There is no freedom of the press. The press is a corporate tool and so is > the government. > > And they're the ones telling us guns are bad. Hmmmn. There are actually many people who come to their conclusions on their own. J2 DECLAR

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-04 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- >There is no freedom of the press. The press is a corporate tool and so is the government. And they're the ones telling us guns are bad. Hmmmn. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are no

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-04 Thread Gary Amedee
-Caveat Lector- Joshua2 Wrote: >Your a liar. >And an idiot. >Only to an idiot. >A hard working idiot. Well J2..your argument has just blown me out of the water. Such eloquence >OK. So you are saying that the choice should be for gun owners to >either >get rid of their guns, or commit s

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-03 Thread Eagle 1
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2 > -Caveat Lector- > >Gary Amedee wrote: >> >> -Caveat Lector- >> >> Sorry Joshua2 but your blowing smoke. >> People with gu

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-03 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- Teo One Thousand wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 6/2/99 6:26:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Well let's assume that we are looking > > at an > > high security prison for the worst possible offenders. Where are the > > gun > >

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-03 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- "Stopforth, Jamie" wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > I've heard from numerous people that shootings and crime is becoming a > trend due to the media it gets. Therefore it's done to gain attention... > How about removing the 1st amendment thus taking away the freedom of the > pre

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-03 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- Gary Amedee wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > Sorry Joshua2 but your blowing smoke. > People with guns don't kill people. Your a liar. > I see people everyday who are in posession of guns and I > haven't been killed once. And an idiot. > With regard to the hypothetical prison m

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-03 Thread Lyn McCloskey
-Caveat Lector- Nope, not in America. Of course we can't say for sure, but that's where my bet is. Yep, people with guns of course occasionally kill people. I'm excluding from the equation all forms of government -- in which you seem to have so much inherent faith -- whose guns have always kil

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-03 Thread E Mael
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > I've heard from numerous people that shootings and crime is becoming a >trend due to the media it gets. Therefore it's done to gain attention... >How about removing the 1st amendment thus taking away the freedom of the >press so we can lower

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-03 Thread Ric Carter
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Amelia Edgeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: Gary Amedee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Lets get rid of the people! Most of us are arseholes anyway > > > and wouldn't it be a lovely planet without people eve

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-03 Thread Ric Carter
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Gary Amedee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Lets get rid of the people! > Most of us are arseholes anyway and wouldn't it be a lovely planet > without people everywhere. Good idea. Let's start with blondes. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-03 Thread Gary Amedee
-Caveat Lector- Sorry Joshua2 but your blowing smoke. People with guns don't kill people. I see people everyday who are in posession of guns and I haven't been killed once. With regard to the hypothetical prison mentioned below... There are so few murders probably because of the fact that the p

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-03 Thread Stopforth, Jamie
-Caveat Lector- I've heard from numerous people that shootings and crime is becoming a trend due to the media it gets. Therefore it's done to gain attention... How about removing the 1st amendment thus taking away the freedom of the press so we can lower the crime rate, sounds easier to me.

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-02 Thread Teo One Thousand
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/2/99 6:26:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Well let's assume that we are looking > at an > high security prison for the worst possible offenders. Where are the > gun > deaths? Where are the accidental shootings? Prisoners who want

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-02 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- Teo One Thousand wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 6/1/99 7:03:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > We have. The majority of American prisoners are nonviolent offenders (i.e. > > drug users). > > > > > -Original Message- > >

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-01 Thread Teo One Thousand
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/1/99 7:03:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > We have. The majority of American prisoners are nonviolent offenders (i.e. > drug users). > > > -Original Message- > > From: nurev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Look at a p

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-01 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- >In fact, a number of books, one by a professor at Florida State University, has proven your statement incorrect. There is more than ample proof that the death rate goes up when gun ownership Read by John R. Lott Jr. ISBN 0-226-49363-6. It'll open your eyes. Consider Table 5

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-06-01 Thread Lyn McCloskey
-Caveat Lector- We have. The majority of American prisoners are nonviolent offenders (i.e. drug users). > -Original Message- > From: nurev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Look at a prison. > > J2 > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-05-31 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > >The fact is that people with guns kill, and when you take them away, the > death rate drops like a rock. > > You SAY it's a fact, but you cite no proof. Look at a prison. J2 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and i

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-05-30 Thread Liz Schumacher
-Caveat Lector- remember the "Luby's" massacre a few years ago?? one of the women survivors had been carrying till THAT DAY--she watched her mom and dad get shot in the head. if she had been carrying, that WOULD NOT have happened liz DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-05-30 Thread Jim Norman
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > >The fact is that people with guns kill, and when you take them away, the > death rate drops like a rock. > > You SAY it's a fact, but you cite no proof. In fact, a number of books, one by a professor at Florida State University, has proven

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-05-30 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- >The fact is that people with guns kill, and when you take them away, the death rate drops like a rock. You SAY it's a fact, but you cite no proof. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-05-30 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > >Before we ban guns all together > > It is physically impossible to ban guns. The genii is out of the bottle. > All the laws in the world can't put it back in. Not a problem at all. > > What we must do is create a world in which the use o

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-05-27 Thread nurev
-Caveat Lector- Gavin Phillips wrote: snip> > >> According to the future that you seem to relish Nurev is a total gun ban > > > >Yes that's right. And voluntary compliance from law abiding citizens. > >It > >doesn't need to be permanent either. But I want to see what happens > >when > >g

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-05-25 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- >Before we ban guns all together It is physically impossible to ban guns. The genii is out of the bottle. All the laws in the world can't put it back in. What we must do is create a world in which the use of guns, or of any other tool, to oppress others in any way is unthinkab

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-05-25 Thread Teo One Thousand
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/25/99 12:59:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >The highest percentage of shootings are drug related. > > Actually, the highest percentage of shootings are drug MONEY related. End > drug prohabition and the profit motive ceases to be

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-05-25 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- >The highest percentage of shootings are drug related. Actually, the highest percentage of shootings are drug MONEY related. End drug prohabition and the profit motive ceases to be a factor in drug use, the drug user's prime reason to recruit evaporates, as does the vast overwhe

Re: [CTRL] "Why GUNS are here to stay."2/2

1999-05-25 Thread Gavin Phillips
-Caveat Lector- < > Not at all. Violence is failure. The only justification for violence >> iself defense. Real self defense not your paranoid fantasies of a >> future that may or may not happen. >> >> Gavin; >> >> That's right. Violene is failure. Unfortunately it will never be erradicat