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From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! The UK Police Corruption Website has relocated offshore and is now at: http://www.policecorruption.org Looks interesting. I think IG would meet his Waterloo there... Regards Norman Bassett drakenfels.org Cybershooters website: http://www.cybersho

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From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is from IG to me privately and posted here with his permission: "NB: <>> IG: Yes, and the result was the Police strike of 1919, after false promises by the government about pay and pensions went unmet. This in turn led to the creation by statute of

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IG, Look what I dug up... The mysterious missing page! This is ancient history, though no-one else got it all. I can't send it you on my revoked FAC because as you know, they aren't returned to the previous owner, and besides, I don't have your address. -

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From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A CORRECTION to my last posting. The Peace of Brest-Litovsk was signed on 3 March 1918, not in 1917 as I stated. The peace negotiations started after the Bolshevik Revolution of 17 November 1917 (it's called the "October" Revolution because that was the R

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From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Yes, you are right! >Bugger. >IG Yes I believe that was covered in the Vagrancy Acts as well (or at least display of the equipment) :-) Regards Jerry Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<>>> Is that all? A quiet sleep little village by comparison to where I work. Why, only yesterday there was an elderly woman parked on a double yellow line. Mind you, she did have a disabled badge on her windscreen. 4 of us held her up with CS, then gave her a ti

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<>>> Oh God. Read the whole of that post please. The reason for mentioning that list of laws was to illustrate that there are more laws to break nowadays, therefore crime figures are bound to be higher. How on earth even you can turn that around is quite fascin

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Yes, you are right! Bugger. IG Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Fa

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From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah, there we go, we can have a Christmas Cybershooters' safari, lead by IG as the Professional Hunter, with his advice for the most suitable gun and load; the selected game being: drug dealer; crackhead; armed robber; lethal-joyrider; hot burglar; and arm

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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Just a suggestion . . .>> > >Whats a ho-down? >Do we need banjo players? >IG Steve, & IG, Well, actually, it is spelled 'hoedown'. It is a party for squ

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From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Prior to 1950 something there was no offence of carry an offensive weapon Minor nit, Ian. Surely you remember the Vagrancy Act of 1824 (or was it 1842)? --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz

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From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Oh, the good old days. When men could go shooting whilst high as a kite on >opium, get pissed, carry a flick knife and screw a bird without being >bankrupted by the government, then have a fight on the way home. All in the >same day as well. Sheer bliss.

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From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What? Are you implying that we have a law regulating the MISUSE of drugs? Then again it could be used to justify another totally ineffective law; "The law works because people only break it legally". If the laws prohibiting certain types of drugs, their posse

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Whats a ho-down? Do we need banjo players? IG Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discus

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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >IG appears to be behaving in a way similar to the >tobacco companies - looking at the evidence and flatly >denying its existence. The tobacco companies deny >reality for financial reasons and so do the police. --snip-- Steve, & Norman,

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Good question. I would like to think that would be the case. As I said..I would LIKE to think The police service is so bloody PC now, the slightest opportunity to show that they arent racist is jumped on and publicised for all to see. It actua

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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Oh, the good old days. When men could go shooting whilst high as a kite on >opium, get pissed, carry a flick knife and screw a bird without being >bankrupted by the government, then have a fight on the way home. All in the >same day as well. Sheer bliss. W

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Of course, if you put into place the methods of recording crime that are used nowadays and couple that with the modern communications systems that we have, then that would sort out the reasons why general crime figures were much lower. A working class person in

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From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The last count the London Evening Standard did there were an estimated 300 murderers walking the streets of London who'd never been convicted. You can estimate the relative rates of conviction for other crimes. The London police are to that extent ineffec

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From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Does anyone know any person who has justifiably had a cert revoked? I >wager >that no one will admit it here! (as it seems the overiding view is that >anyone should be able to carry anything they want at any time and at any >place.)< > Yes, and I was pa

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From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have had members removed from Clubs of which I have been a member, because they were unsafe or became unsuitable in our opinion. Some joined other clubs but most just left the sport. One was a little embarrassing as the member concerned was sac

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From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I doubt the Metropolitan Police is relaxing its rules to the extent that they would accept people who had actually served prison terms, and cetainly not three years or more, or any crimes of violence sufficient for a prison term. Having only seen t

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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> . I ask on >> the basis that there are offences which would disqualify one from holding an >> FAC or SGC. Would the same offences be allowed by applicant to the Police >> ranks? > >From the limited reporting of this I have seen one would >have to say

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> I should also like to point out that prior to 1930something or other, there was no law regulating the misuse of drugs. Prior to 1970..or thereabouts.there was no breathalyser law. Prior to 1968 there was no offence of burglary or twoc Prior to 1950 somethin

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From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is this about "popular mythology"? Apart from anything else these characters occasionally have a falling out and start shooting one another which sometimes is serious enough to make the local news. This is apart from the occasional burst of gun fire in the e

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From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Does anyone know any person who has justifiably had a cert revoked? I wager that no one will admit it here! (as it seems the overiding view is that anyone should be able to carry anything they want at any time and at any place.)< It would be a fine line

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In the end as I said earlier you only preventing someone from owning >firearms legally. You would not be allowed to express you opinions about >someone who owned a firearm illegally as they would be a criminal and >would therefore have rights! Absolutely... Give it a f

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Well, you would wouldnt you. This is a constantly recurring one as well, when someone doesnt like a few unpalatable home truths, this is a convenient little argument to throw out. If yopu think anyone has been hooked, then read the posts again. It is pretty fa

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From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED] IG I have followed your lengthy and mountainous volumes of comment on this thread. Like another poster I have to wonder if this is just to incite responses, wind-ups, or as the US say, "trolling". As you declare your position then perhaps not the latter

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > < people who have FAC's are unpleasant, objectionable and > potentially dangerous. It had nothing to do with those who > had applied and been refused or have in your view applied > for "spurious variations". etc etc>> > > I repeat. You only see what you want to see. A

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > . I ask on > the basis that there are offences which would disqualify one from holding an > FAC or SGC. Would the same offences be allowed by applicant to the Police > ranks?

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> I repeat. You only see what you want to see. A small number of people. I make NO aplology for being outspoken. 'Look, the Emperor isnt wearing any clothes!' Look at the responses yourself. One moment you are slagging the government off for everything, the next

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From: "Jim Franklin", [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the basis that IG feels free to pass judgement on the character of members of the shooting fraternity, I feel just as free to state that he is just a "wind-up artist", bent on provoking hasty and unwise comments by the use of provocative statements. I

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> This is a common thread, so lets deal with it. First of all, this is popular mythology that has come to be believed due to repetition amongst people with axes to grind. It is simply not true that drug dealers etc are allowed by the police to carry firearms with

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Why dont you ask them? I can only speak for myself. What do you want me to say? Its a nonsense question anyway, which invites the response: what is your position on the mass murderers who have used firearms to kill? We have had this debate before. IG Cybersh

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From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >I also have trouble with the concept of "I trust you with this but not that" as steve experienced with variations for collecting. In my case I had a sec.1 shotgun that I was prohibited from using for clay pigeon shooting! I fully understood the law and t

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From: "Tim Jeffreys", [EMAIL PROTECTED] As for examples of iffy FAC holders, a club I belong to chucked one out some years back: - not a very responsible individual, who brought some unsavoury friends in on a few occasions and left large numbers of "inaccurately placed holes" after each visit.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I *know* its not rubbish, but I include applicants in this figure, as well > as people who make spurious applications for variations, etc. (you know, > when you get as far as checking out good reason for possession, you find > there actually isnt one. Things like that)

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From: "Tom Charnock", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Quite agree, it was appaling and embarassing to see it. Some things are indefensible. IG I G If we assume that your thoughts on this may be held by other officers, then why was it executed? Does this mean that your fellow officers, if given ANY o

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From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well IG, it looks like your key board took a hammering over the weekend. Why do I need to be a member of any particular group if I have the view that people should be able to get on with their law abiding lives free from harassment from pointless legislation a

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From: Janet L Jackson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Steve I'm far from being a mathematician but can't resist a challenge - the calculator applied to your figures gives refusals/revocations of FACs in 1995 as 0.1975% and of SGCs as 0.001162%. You didn't want that to 10 decimal points, I hope... Cy

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] << (Member of the Insp. Meiklejohn fan club. A prize awaits the first person to tell me who this was. Answers on the back of a revoked FAC please. 1st prize is a night out with the drug squad. 2nd is lunch at firearms licensing). >> Would this be the male half of the

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Well, I'm sure you are in a better position than me to judge. I *know* its not rubbish, but I include applicants in this figure, as well as people who make spurious applications for variations, etc. (you know, when you get as far as checking out good reason fo

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >If I saw the police force campaigning for >interrogation under scopalomine, campaigning against >"concurrent sentences", and going round actively >saying that crime is wrong Scopolamine, was used in light doses used for interrogation, by Gestapo, and (all

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You just didn't listen did you? IG DID NOT SAY WHAT HE HAS OR HASN'T DONE > about the so-called 5%, but you have seen fit to condemn him without knowing > the full facts - THAT IS MY POINT!!!and that is how those BASTARDS in > power operate - congratulations, you

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "OK, it's late and I can't be bothered to check out exact numbers. But, lets think about it, how many FAC's are there in the Country, a figure of 200, 000 could be plucked out of the air. I don't know if it's right but I don't think there are any less than that. If 5% of

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Come on guys - you are being totally unfair on IG - he has simply not stated > WHAT he has done about the dodgy 5%, and you are assuming he has done > nothing - don't condemn a man with insufficient information - that's how > Tony Bliar and Jack Boot Straw operate

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Kisko was wrongly convicted under circumstances which reflect very badly > on those involved. Under your preferred system he would have hanged. > Evidently you consider the accidental/malicious hanging of a few > innocents a price worth paying. I do not. Ah yes but th

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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >In the end as I said earlier you only preventing someone from owning >firearms legally. You would not be allowed to express you opinions about >someone who owned a firearm illegally as they would be a criminal and >would therefore have rights! St

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > IG > (member of the Pierrepoint fan club) Read "The Hangmans Tale" by Sid Dernley. He was an assistant who worked with Pierrepoint a few times. Interesting read. Got mine from a cut price book place in a well known covered market a few mins walk away, they had qui

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> I make no secret of the fact that I, along with every other officer I know, detests the type of manipultive dishonesty that is described here. It is unarguably corrupt and yes, it did go on. As far as I am aware, HMIC will not accept the practise of gaining det

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Norman Bassett writes, in the latest of his always-interesting reflections, << And I think it would be a big step forward if the UK police accepted that they work for the public and not for the Home Office which trains them to regard the public as creatures from anoth

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Are you separating RFD's and cert holders? Most RFD's that I know also have f/arm or SC's. The American murderer chappy was both. I suppose here is as good a place as any to point out the siege mentality that exists amongst many of the subscribers here. Shoote

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Don't disagree with that one. Careful, though, Richard, you will be castigated, slagged and called nasty names for agreeing with the filth! Well, not totally agreeing, but agreeing a little bit. You'll start getting the hate mail soon! lol IG Cybershooters

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Don't think, I know. And am dealing with it! Its a rolling process though.get one out of the way and another appears. IG Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] A <> A: I am. And have been doing so for twice as long as you have been shooting. Next question. B: See A. -- Well, if that's true I take back my earlier comments criticising you. 'Nuff said. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List ad

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Once again, the paranoia has re-surfaced with a vengeance! I certainly never mentioned Hitler photos as you suggest. Once again, the disturbing trend towards obsession with Nazi's has surfaced.I am not even going to try to defend myself against thin

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Where in heavens name did I mention practical rifle shooters? Bloody hell, man, I shoot practical rifle. Where did you get this from IG (Bewildered!) Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, I do hope you realise I was defending shooters and you. I am disabled and can only manage prone rifle shooting (TR!) But just cos I can, t take part I still think we all have a right to choose what sport we take part in. As long as it is legal!!! Tina Cybers

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From: Mike Taylor, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snip >that the police have in the past accused innocent >people and got them hanged.>> > >AGREED! At least have a referendum on it.. > > snip I have no moral objection to capital punishment but

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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] --snip-- ". . . I now realise the amount of unpleasant, potentially dangerous and thoroughly objectionable people that own firearms certificates." Steve, & IG, Well, IG, I guess that qualifies you as some kind of psychiatry profes

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would Ig like to give us examples of the five per cent of certificate holders to whom he objects? Barry Woodward Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Dear Ant My point exactly. I am a shooter, and used to think that all shooters were great people. Having worked with licensing for some years, I now realise the amount of unpleasant, potentially dangerous and thoroughly objectionable people that own firearms ce

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Again, why let fact get in the way of a good rumour. I quoted the oft repeated comments that are spouted by the rabid anti-shooting lobby. As the point seems to be lost, why not consider the reality of things. If a rumour is repeated often enough, it becomes fact i

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ho hum. Here we go again. Shooters v. police... Listen IG, I'm sure most of us think you're a perfectly decent bloke - after all, you go hunting, and clearly know a thing or two about ballistics, so you can't be all bad - but you just have to realise that the long-stan

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From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was delighted to read IG's reply to my posting. I had feared my informant was so accurate that NOBODY disputed the assertion in any way at all. I would not like to comment on the assertion that a lot of shooters have illegal firearms, nor the assertion

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Ho hum. Here we go again. Police v shooters. The people i mentioned (tongue in cheek btw) would be able to defend their ignorant and untrue comments equally as well as the ignorant and deceitful rumour mongers who propogate the myth that 66.6% of police office

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From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Moral of the story: why let truth get in the way of a good rumour! > >Oh, and as I'm not new in the job (or anywhere else I suppose!) then I must >be in a lowly positionso I can't know what I'm talking about..or >else I am corrupt! Now that what

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From: "IG", [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> As you might expect..lola few comments are worthy in response to the above paragraph, which was probably written with absolutely no venom dribbling onto the keyboard. I have heard that shooters are all homicidal maniacs. Not a proportion, all of 'e

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From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just took a look at the policecorruption.co.uk site - early days yet. The easiest way to avoid harassment by people in the UK is of course to keep your files on a US server. I've heard estimates that one third of the UK police engage in corruption of s