Debate on Privacy Goes Private

2001-12-03 Thread Steve Schear
Debate on Privacy Goes Private In the debate about new surveillance powers for law enforcement officials, Americans, in various ways, are asking a basic question: Are we willing to curtail personal freedom in exchange for greater national security? Now, a debate heating up in Washington puts a

Re: 'software error' 37,000 to cato.a "libertarian" institute.,

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
"Ok, someone PLEASE enlighten me... WHAT on Earth is the problem here? They paid TOO MUCH in taxes, so they have to pay a fine??? Mark" END. The problem for me is the false advertising on this list RE:Libertarianism. Its the cypherPUNKS list NOT the cyphershills list.

Re: in praise of gold,

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
"It doesn't take a judgment by society at large to realize that some people really are better off alone instead of inflicting their destructive fucked-up personality on others (psychotics, alcoholics, etc)." What about silly little girls inflicting their e-gold (!) opinions. "if more people refu

Re: in praise of gold

2001-12-03 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Morlock wrote: Faustine wrote: > > Too bad you seemed to have missed the entire point of the passage: if your > > relationships are making you bitter and miserable, there's no sense in > > blaming the other half of the human race for whatever weaknes

Disposable cell phone launches

2001-12-03 Thread Steve Schear
Summary: Universal Studios Home Video and Hop-On partnered to launch what they say is the first-of-its-kind, disposable cellphone in connection with the DVD/home video release of "Jurassic Park III" December 11. The limited-edition phone, called the Jurassic Park Survival Cell Phone, includes

Re: Viridian Note 00283: Geeks and Spooks

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
."... I am suggesting secure, accountable devices with digital signatures built in. They're cryptographically time-stamped, their voice signals and photographs are cryptographically overwritten, proving their source. They are tamperproofed, and very sternly verifiable, and usable as proven evi

Re: Further thoughts on Reputation Capital systems and implementation

2001-12-03 Thread Sunder
Right, but will this type of thing cause oscillations, or some sort of synchronizations, and if so, what are the ways around it... In some ways I do look at that repcap model as a stock market, but rather than individual stocks, you have reputations. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kyberneto

Emergency!

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
Emergence - the tendency of systems to evolve and self-organise - is the driving theme of an international digital-art conference in Melbourne this week. Second Iteration, at Monash University, will explore the role of artificial intelligence, Darwin's theory of evolution and complex systems in

Re: Further thoughts on Reputation Capital systems and implementation

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
Response to...This is often known as "collaborative filtering", and pops up in systems like NoCeM and GroupLens. What's cool is that you don't need transitive trust or even poster reputations (anonymity without so much vandalism!). Just give the right reviewers the reputation "good/bad judgment

Re: Reputation of a Reputation,

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
"...Someone once remarked that the most unimaginitive, laziest Harvard graduate students at the bottom of their class tend to end up at the IMF and UN. Sort of sinkholes of mediocrity. Oh well! ~Faustine." Luckily we now have 'open source' AP to take out the ones that get to be president.Did y

Re: Reputation of a Reputation

2001-12-03 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 03:39 PM 12/3/01 -0500, Faustine wrote: >Great points, but consider the example "Harvard University." People are >willing to pay a premium to be associated with it regardless of the academic >worth of the individual programs in the eyes of specialists. A lot of students >are after the cachet an

CNN and Julie Hilden on the Evil of Anonymity

2001-12-03 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
"Most of us now are happy, for example, to tolerate facial recognition technology at stadiums, and to proffer our driver's licenses at frequent car, truck and airport checkpoints. We no longer can travel anonymously, and that may be acceptable given the risks we now face. But while the ability to

Re: Russian Party of Pensioners Manifesto,

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=20043&group=webcast For reprint of pensioners story.AND... Anarchist Pamphlet (28 pages) (english) by Blake 12:23pm Mon Dec 3 '01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a critique of the global economy from an anarchist perspective. It is meant for o

Re: Further thoughts on Reputation Capital systems and implementation

2001-12-03 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: "Sunder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Say for instance Mr. Measels manages to accumulate quite a large sum of > positive repcap, if he spews a bunch of the lame ass CJ knockoff messages, > I suspect most people would adjust their cached repcap's of him pretty > quickly - At least I would. (CJ did

Re: Further thoughts on Reputation Capital systems and implementation

2001-12-03 Thread Erik Seaberg
This is often known as "collaborative filtering", and pops up in systems like NoCeM and GroupLens. What's cool is that you don't need transitive trust or even poster reputations (anonymity without so much vandalism!). Just give the right reviewers the reputation "good/bad judgment about which ar

Re: Reputation of a Reputation

2001-12-03 Thread Michael Motyka
Faustine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Tim wrote: > >>This is "the reputation of a reputation." >Ridiculous how so many employers put such stock in a word on a piece of paper >too--pure credentialism. How ironic when you contrast that with the fact that >the great Herman Kahn didn't have a PhD. I wonder wh

Re: Reputation of a Reputation

2001-12-03 Thread Faustine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim wrote: >This is "the reputation of a reputation." >As soon as people tumble to the fact that "Tom Clancy" has sold his >nym/reputation to some hack writer, that is, let them put his name on >their words, then the reputation of "Tom Clancy" fal

Re: CDR: Re: Speech May Not Be Free, but It's Refundable

2001-12-03 Thread Sunder
Ok, then I propose to surround your property from any vantage point on public land, and setup gigantic speakers from which I would recite very loud speeches in your direction at 3:00am. As I would be on public land and excercising my freedom of speech, you couldn't do anything as that would be ce

Re: Further thoughts on Reputation Capital systems and implementation

2001-12-03 Thread Sunder
Thanks for the pointer, a very good essay indeed. :) I haven't checked in any meaningful way, but that thread doesn't seem to have any replies from Ralph... Do you recall any details as to what would cause oscillations? Would be interesting to explore this. I expect that having a way to prove

Re: Cryptoheaven

2001-12-03 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:55 AM 12/03/2001 +0200, Marcel Popescu wrote: >Anybody checked the license agreement? > >You hereby agree to not use the Service to: > > 1.. transmit or store any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, >abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, >invasive

Re: MD5 (was Re: Antivirus software will ignore FBI spyware: solutions)

2001-12-03 Thread Bill Stewart
>> > Some interesting tips (bottome of this message) for detecting FBI/SS >> > snoopware that NAI/McAfee is now assisting the FBI in installing. >> > I especially like the idea of "type hundreds of random key strokes and >> > see which files increase in size." (Or just look for any file size >> >

Re: IT revealed: Dean Kamen shows off mystery transportion device

2001-12-03 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:53 AM 12/03/2001 -0500, Declan McCullagh forwarded articles on the Ginger Hype Generation Machine finally being revealed. Boy, what bad timing Kamen has. Not only is it too late for Christmas sales (if in fact the things are shipping anytime soon, as opposed to this being a demo for next C

Reputation of a Reputation

2001-12-03 Thread Tim May
On Monday, December 3, 2001, at 09:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 3 Dec 2001, at 13:44, Ken Brown wrote: > >> All the discussion about certificates of speaking Navajo or whatever >> are >> slightly beside the point. If personal reputation, as such, has a >> market >> value it isn't the m

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2001-12-03 Thread Sleep All Night
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Re: CDR: Re: Council of Europe Cybercrime Treaty

2001-12-03 Thread mikecabot
OUTBOUND traffic is what I meant, of course :) Although, comedy aside, there's an interesting point herein: even a lot of traffic that you would normally assume would be intra-Western Europe traffic actually crosses into U.S. NAPs -- counterintuitively stupid, I know, but it happens more than

Re: libertarian vs. socialist (Im a libertarian socialist!)

2001-12-03 Thread jamesd
-- James A. Donald: > > "Anarcho capitalism corresponds to what any normal person > > would call anarchy" mattd > Who said I was normal? If you use the word anarchy to refer to something that is very far from anarchy as it is normally understood, without explaining that you are using a speci

CFP: PKI research workshop

2001-12-03 Thread Carl Ellison
[Sorry if the headers munge, but I'm using the Eudora Annoying Redirect command to keep >s from interfering with signatures. It's actually from Carl Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Included below is the ASCII CFP for our upcoming PKI research worksho

2002 USENIX Security Symposium - Call for papers

2001-12-03 Thread Kevin Fu
Symposium's in San Francisco in August. Papers due January 28 for review. In case your mailer doesn't like the way Eudora munges headers while forwarding, it was originally sent by Kevin Fu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill Stewart === 2002 USENIX S

Re: Council of Europe Cybercrime Treaty

2001-12-03 Thread Ken Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The full text is at > http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/WhatYouWant.asp?NT=185 > > Note that no signatories have signed, and it requires at least 5 to > sign before going into force. > > This is interesting because basically all of Western Europe's IP > traffic cr

Fw: [Fwd: Fw: Cow philosophy] (fwd)

2001-12-03 Thread Sunder
Speaking of cows and poly-ticks... THE "TWO COW" EXPLANATION OF WHAT MAKES... A CHRISTIAN DEMOCRAT: You have two cows.You keep one and give one to your neighbor. A SOCIALIST: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor. AN AMERICAN REPUBLICAN: You have two

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-12-03 Thread georgemw
On 3 Dec 2001, at 13:44, Ken Brown wrote: > All the discussion about certificates of speaking Navajo or whatever are > slightly beside the point. If personal reputation, as such, has a market > value it isn't the money you'd get by selling the reputation, because as > everyone else already pointe

Re: Russian Party of Pensioners Manifesto

2001-12-03 Thread Ken Brown
mattd wrote: [...] > If you are into cryptoanarchy with the emphasis on the anarchy,you may > enjoy this... [...] > We used to say, NO to Western Imperialism and NO to Soviet Imperialism > both. Self determination for ALL PEOPLES! > One Empire has fallen. One still has to fall. But we should n

"Antenna Amplifier" ends Cellphone static and dropouts

2001-12-03 Thread Zig Chesser
Title: Antenna Booster We strongly oppose the use of SPAM email and do not want to send our mailings to anyone who does not wish to receive them. As a result, we have retained the services of an independent 3rd party to administer our list management and remove list (www.removeyou.com). Th

Reichstag Anthrax: not just greenpeace suggesting it..

2001-12-03 Thread Khoder bin Hakkin
excerpt from http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/03/national/03POWD.html The preliminary analysis of the powder shows that it has the same extraordinarily high concentration of deadly spores as the anthrax produced in the American weapons program. While it is still possible that the anthrax could have

ashcroft still buggering freedom

2001-12-03 Thread Khoder bin Hakkin
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nyt/20011201/ts/ashcroft_seeking_to_free_f_b_i_to_spy_on_groups_1.html Saturday December 01 09:01 AM EST Ashcroft Seeking to Free F.B.I. to Spy on Groups By DAVID JOHNSTON and DON VAN NATTA Jr. The New York Times Attorney General John Ashcroft is considering a pl

Council of Europe Cybercrime Treaty

2001-12-03 Thread mikecabot
The full text is at http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/WhatYouWant.asp?NT=185 Note that no signatories have signed, and it requires at least 5 to sign before going into force. This is interesting because basically all of Western Europe's IP traffic crosses the U.S. at some point, and there

Re: libertarian vs. socialist (Im a libertarian socialist!)

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
"Anarcho capitalism corresponds to what any normal person would call anarchy" Who said I was normal? Normal for norte america Yes,maybe.(just say 'so') >Explanations of "anarcho" socialism are evasive, euphemistic >and full of equivocations I dont remember seeing any,Its usually anarchism or li

Re: in praise of gold,

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
"...nothing more than a cop-out. So it seems to me, at any rate. ~Faustine. " Like you last week (agent ?) faustine (cop-in?) Silence speaks volumes in this house.

Russian Party of Pensioners Manifesto

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
Thanks for that,Im going to publish it on Indymedia soon,real soon. If you are into cryptoanarchy with the emphasis on the anarchy,you may enjoy this... Elliott Abrams, who had pleaded guilty in 1981 to lying to Congress over the conduct of the war, was installed by the president to head his "

Micropayments and accurate polling

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
203.238.135.35. Return of Micropayments By Michael Hurwicz Early attempts at micropayments have failed. Is it an innovative idea that needs more work, or a doomed concept? Programming with Perl Want accurate polls? Randal L. Schwartz provides a solution built around the fact that form validation

Declan murdered george harrison

2001-12-03 Thread mattd
www.accuracy.org/articles/cato.htm IPA Articles - Cato Institute ... Libertarian" in a Corporate Way. ... book "No Mercy: How Conservative Think Tanks and ... over the years. Cato's main philanthropic backing ... come from the right-wing Koch ... Description: Article explores the Cato Institute

Re: 'software error' 37,000 to cato.a "libertarian" institute.

2001-12-03 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: "mattd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.mediatransparency.org/Stories/bradley_error.htm Ok, someone PLEASE enlighten me... WHAT on Earth is the problem here? They paid TOO MUCH in taxes, so they have to pay a fine??? Mark

Re: 256 Bit Encryption for Secure Email and Secure Online File Storage

2001-12-03 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:31 PM 12/01/2001 -0800, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: >Another proprietary key format. Why not base such a system on OpenPGP? OpenPGP, ClosedPGP, GPG, PGP2.x, and X.509 all have blazingly ugly data formats, especially for keys. The main advantages of recycling one of the N variations on PGP form

Cryptoheaven

2001-12-03 Thread Marcel Popescu
Anybody checked the license agreement? You hereby agree to not use the Service to: 1.. transmit or store any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or o

[ISN] InfoSec News List Information

2001-12-03 Thread R. A. Hettinga
--- begin forwarded text Status: U Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 02:04:24 -0600 (CST) From: InfoSec News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ISN] InfoSec News List Information Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: InfoSec News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just a little note, if you know of anoth

Re: Viridian Note 00283: Geeks and Spooks (fwd)

2001-12-03 Thread Ken Brown
Eugene Leitl forwarded: > -- Forwarded message -- > Date: 2 Dec 2001 23:23:55 - > From: Bruce Sterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Viridian Note 00283: Geeks and Spooks > > Key concepts: cryptography, information warfare, > imaginary products, Amer

Re: Moving beyond "Reputation"--the Market View of Reality

2001-12-03 Thread Ken Brown
Tim May wrote: [...] > > > > We're not disagreeing. By a "single" value I meant a universally > > agreed upon value. > > If there is a "universally agreed upon value" for something, and someone > values it differently, is it still "universal"? > > Nope. > > What there may be are market-cleari