> FreeS/WAN occupies a position very rarely found in efficient markets,
> such as open source software. While the position is rarely encountered,
> it can nonetheless exist: I believe that FreeS/WAN is a natural
> monopoly.
> ...
> But for whatever reasons, FreeS/WAN has been holding such a natura
At 05:52 AM 12/11/2001 +0100, Anonymous wrote:
>Lucky Green wrote:
> > Eugene wrote:
> > > On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Lucky Green wrote:
> > >
> > > > --Lucky, waiting patiently for 2005.
> > >
> > > Patent expiration date? Which one?
> >
> > US Patent 4759063 "Blind Signature Systems" will expire on Jul
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, John Gilmore wrote:
> NSA's export controls. We overturned them by a pretty thin margin.
> The government managed to maneuver such that no binding precedents
> were set: if they unilaterally change the regulations tomorrow to
> block the export of public domain crypto, they
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote:
> But who is the judge of the value of various measures?
The persons who are looking for solutions to their problems of course.
It isn't a 'who' but a 'whom'.
> >Discrimination is inherently ILLOGICAL (ie emotional), which puts it in
> >direct odds wit
There's also a blacklist on the Web of people in academia who have
publicly stated less than glowing support for Bush's war against "evil."
McCarthyism meets Wounded Knee meets Mike Echols. :)
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At 11:33 PM 12/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote:
>> Merit is inevitably judged by "somebody else". And discriminating
>> on the basis of merit is tautologically discriminatory.
>
>Actually 'merit' isn't. Merit is measured in a meritocracy by the efficacy
>of
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote:
> At 11:16 PM 12/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> >And no, a meritocracy isn't disriminatory. You get what you put into it,
> >not what somebody else thinks it's worth.
>
> Merit is inevitably judged by "somebody else". And discriminating
> on the basis
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At 11:16 PM 12/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>And no, a meritocracy isn't disriminatory. You get what you put into it,
>not what somebody else thinks it's worth.
Merit is inevitably judged by "somebody else". And discriminating
on the basis of merit is tautologically discriminatory.
D'oh.
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote:
> At 09:53 AM 12/11/01 +1100, mattd wrote:
> >Tim said its an openly elitist list
> >once.
>
> Yes, so is an university. A meritocracy is necessarily discriminatory.
>
> Deal with it.
Don't confuse having a high standard of excellence with simple egot
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, David Honig wrote:
> this *corroborates* the stuff Hettinga has been saying about it being
> cheaper to use certain kinds of payment than others.
Actually Hettinga's observation is rather obvious. The concept that all
exchanges will cost the same is rather self-destructing.
At 09:53 AM 12/11/01 +1100, mattd wrote:
>Tim said its an openly elitist list
>once.
Yes, so is an university. A meritocracy is necessarily discriminatory.
Deal with it.
AOL has plenty of groups for folks who find this list too abrasive..
At 09:48 PM 12/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Anonymous wrote:
>
>> To rip the coin, the passenger gives the taxi driver t = s^e1, along
>> with x. The driver can verify that t^e2 = s^(e1*e2) = s^e1 = x mod n
>> which tells him that it is a real coin. He also sends (t, x) t
Anonymous said:
> The major problem that holds back the development of FreeS/WAN is
> with its management. [Management that cares more about sitting on
> its pulpit, than getting useful software into the hands of people.]
> Unless things have changed recently, they still won't accept
> contributi
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Lucky Green wrote:
> Eugene wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Lucky Green wrote:
> >
> > > --Lucky, waiting patiently for 2005.
> >
> > Patent expiration date? Which one?
>
> US Patent 4759063 "Blind Signature Systems" will expire on July 19,
> 2005. Given that this is a Tuesday and taking into acc
While I am too far from the process to offer comment to the contents of
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On Wednesday, December 5, 2001, at 06:58 PM, mattd wrote:
> Tim may or a pretender wrote "The solution is obvious: capitalism. The
> real one, not the fascist version."
>
> Objectivism the real thing? How do you separate fascism from
> capitalism?
If you have to ask, you don't underst
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On Sunday 09 December 2001 07:32 pm, Lucky Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The big question is: will FreeS/WAN latest release after some 4 or 5
> years of development finally both compile and install cleanly on
> current versions of Red Hat Linux, FreeS/WAN's purported target
> platform?
Th
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, mattd wrote:
> There are checks and balances,get a grip.Read the essay.
No, there are not.
> Its self limiting.No one who is anonymous has anything to fear from AP.
The only way that AP would be harmless to an anonymous person is if they
were anonymous to EVERYONE. The en
On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --
> On 10 Dec 2001, at 16:20, mattd wrote:
> > Was it Chomsky who pointed out that the capitalist firm is
> > structured like a totalitarian state?
>
> The difference is that you can change firms, or start your
> own, without being shot.
Whic
"Rather, the problem with AP is that it is mob rule at its worst. There are
no checks and balances. It is the height of folly to suppose that AP would
be used only against those whom cypherpunks themselves oppose, like corrupt
government agents. AP could be used against anyone who has a high pr
I hope tech tv does a story on this that enlightens the victorian police
and they return the dell cs latitude they stole from me.If AP is illegal I
want my day in court.I mantain,with bell,that 'AP' comes with the territory
and cant be outlawed without 1984 type totalitarianism.Some type of AP
Whatever promise AP has for its avowed purpose, so far it
has helped to jail a couple of guys and smear a few more
while boosting the careers of several alleged targets.
Talking about AP in public is still going on, here and elsewhere.
Disagreeing about it too. Take it seriously or as a joke, tak
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> And I have given numerous examples, to which no one has
> replied, except as mattd has recently done -- by citing
> Chomsky as evidence for the truthfulness of Chomsky, much
> after the fashion of a Christian who cites the bible as proof
> of the di
John Young writes, regarding Assassination Politics:
> AP is a touchy topic for Cypherpunks, whoever they may
> be. It is likely the USA is attempting to link AP to Cypherpunks
> for prosecution, so not many will want to talk about the
> topic.
Cypherpunks pioneered the use of encryption and ano
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On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 01:18:49PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> For example the viewer sees CBU-15 described as nerve gas.
> The viewer then sees Moorer and the interviewer talking about
> a battle in Laos, then there is an editing cut, and then the
> viewer sees:
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Note that to compile FreeS/WAN on Red Hat using the Red Hat
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before you 'make dep'. Otherwise you get module version
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"Lucky Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The big question is: will FreeS/WAN latest re
James A. Donald:
> > "Chomsky is a long exposed commie liar, and if CNN was
> > not commie enough for him, that is because Stalin was
> > not commie enough for him."
mattd:
> Any discriminating cypherpunk who reads chomskys
> ,'Objectivity and liberal scholarship". and views jamesd's
> we
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On 10 Dec 2001, at 0:00, Jim Choate wrote:
> This is laughable, and a tad repetitive...
>
> You say you've checked [Chomsky's] sources and found them
> lacking.
And I have given numerous examples, to which no one has
replied, except as mattd has recently done -- by citing
Chomsky as eviden
On Monday, December 10, 2001, at 02:17 AM, Marcel Popescu wrote:
> December 8, 2001
> Historian's Prizewinning Book on Guns Is Embroiled in a Scandal
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/08/books/08GUNS.html
> Only a year ago, Michael A. Bellesiles was well on his way to becoming
On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 03:37:52AM -0800, Tim wrote:
> this ID card is going to commonly be used as more than an identification
> card is itself irresponsible, until he can offer something a little bit
> more cogently persuasive.
Of course proposals that have been floated, the trend in
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> Turner, like many rich and powerful people, is a socialist.
> Only to be expected, since socialism ties the peasant to the
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Lucky Green wrote:
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> Was it Chomsky who pointed out that the capitalist firm is
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