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Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

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Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

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Re: Definitions, Proofs, Derivations

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Sarad AV writes: there will be no inconsistency in a formal axiomatic systems Huh? -but can any one point me to a contradicting set of axioms in an axiomatic system? In general you have to consider the whole system, including derivation rules, not just the axioms, although you can certain

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

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On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 11:40 AM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:28 AM -0800 on 1/8/03, James A. Donald wrote: Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. All we need is the return of the fedora, I'd bet,

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Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

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Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

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Re: Television

2003-01-08 Thread Todd Boyle
While I may agree that Tim May seems to like anarchy as long as he's in charge of it, he does come up with some truly destabilising and dangerous ideas every now and then. Like his alter ego Jim Choate, there's some real signal burried under that noise so at least token measures of respect

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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-08 Thread Steve Furlong
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 23:35, Michael Cardenas wrote: I think you're overreacting a bit. The actual case involves someone who was in a foriegn country for years, and was in the war zone at the time he was fighting the US. The ruling says that he was squarely in teh war zone and

Re: Television

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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-08 Thread Wes Hellman
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Re: Definitions, Proofs, Derivations

2003-01-08 Thread Jim Choate
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Ken Hirsch wrote: In general you have to consider the whole system, including derivation rules, not just the axioms, although you can certain start with a set of axioms like: { x=1, x=2} or, come to think of it, { 1=2 } You'd first have to define what '=' means, that

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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

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Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread Sarad AV
hi, So where does that put privacy to.Your whole life outside the house can be monitered-when there are many cameras. May be the worlds air getting polluted isn't so bad-atleast we could put anti-pollution masks and protect our identity :) Regards Sarath. --- Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Definitions, Proofs, Derivations

2003-01-08 Thread Sarad AV
hi, Then, if any two or more axioms of an alleged mathematical theory are found to be inconsistent with each other, the whole theory collapses. there will be no inconsistency in a formal axiomatic systems-but can any one point me to a contradicting set of axioms in an axiomatic

Re: Television

2003-01-08 Thread Tyler Durden
WOW! While I may agree that Tim May seems to like anarchy as long as he's in charge of it, he does come up with some truly destabilising and dangerous ideas every now and then. Like his alter ego Jim Choate, there's some real signal burried under that noise so at least token measures of

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At 08:36 PM 1/7/03 +, Peter Fairbrother wrote: And apart from that, what was the point of CSS? You can do a dd on a DVD and play the image from a hard drive. I don't have a DVD burner, but I'd imagine you could burn a DVD from such an image, so direct copying is probably easy enough. Maybe I'm

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread Thomas Shaddack
May be the worlds air getting polluted isn't so bad-atleast we could put anti-pollution masks and protect our identity :) In Japan, people are already wearing face masks frequently, ie. during the flu season. If such cultural sh9ft happens here as well, we have partial protection against the

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 8 Jan 2003 at 16:54, Thomas Shaddack wrote: In Japan, people are already wearing face masks frequently, ie. during the flu season. If such cultural shift happens here as well, we have partial protection against the face-recognition cams. In today's Vietnam women commonly dress

Re: Television

2003-01-08 Thread AARG! Anonymous
On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 10:01:22 -0500, you wrote: WOW! While I may agree that Tim May seems to like anarchy as long as he's in charge of it, he does come up with some truly destabilising and dangerous ideas every now and then. Like his alter ego Jim Choate, there's some real signal burried

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Re: Television

2003-01-08 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 12:50 AM +0100 on 1/8/03, Nomen Nescio wrote: (more at the bottom) Thank you, no, if you don't mind... Damn. I was so excited, but now I'm just depressed. Young Master Durden *isn't* channeling me, after all... He's just channeling Vulis (spit!). ;-) Cheers, RAH -- -

Re: Television

2003-01-08 Thread Todd Boyle
While I may agree that Tim May seems to like anarchy as long as he's in charge of it, he does come up with some truly destabilising and dangerous ideas every now and then. Like his alter ego Jim Choate, there's some real signal burried under that noise so at least token measures of respect

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

2003-01-08 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 04:08 PM, Michael Cardenas wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/08/enemy.combatants/ Fuck the U.S. Fuck it dead. Do it soon. This is one of the rulings which completes the shredding of the Constitution. Every member of that Court should be killed for

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 11:40 AM, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:28 AM -0800 on 1/8/03, James A. Donald wrote: Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. All we need is the return of the fedora, I'd bet,

Re: Definitions, Proofs, Derivations

2003-01-08 Thread Ken Hirsch
Sarad AV writes: there will be no inconsistency in a formal axiomatic systems Huh? -but can any one point me to a contradicting set of axioms in an axiomatic system? In general you have to consider the whole system, including derivation rules, not just the axioms, although you can certain

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 02:10 PM, Tyler Durden wrote: Tim May wrote... Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings Uh...do you actually hold Aryan meetings? Is this a white supremist thing, or will the following be welcome: Iranians Afghans Most people

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2003-01-08 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:34 PM 1/8/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: I don't know the weaknesses of gait-observing systems, so I can't suggest anything. Kilts for men (over the knee, please, and not for aesthetics). Hoop-skirts for women. A heavy backpack carried asymmetrically (for extra fun, use a canteen where

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MV wrote : At 11:34 PM 1/8/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote: I don't know the weaknesses of gait-observing systems, so I can't suggest anything. Kilts for men (over the knee, please, and not for aesthetics). Hoop-skirts for women. A heavy backpack carried asymmetrically (for extra fun,

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread Tyler Durden
Do you forget the episode of the Simpsons where Homer has a camera installed in his 10-gallon hat? (He was catching Apu recycling expired hotdogs or something.) -TD (Who is not RA Hettinga, at least when RAH is awake.) From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James A. Donald [EMAIL

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread Thomas Shaddack
It doesn't matter what you wear. Even if everybody would be wearing a flowing robe and a face mask (fat chance; right now donning this would invite for some deep anal probing), Not over some critical mass. Also could pit the media against the police, if the rate of such incidents against

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 10:28 AM -0800 on 1/8/03, James A. Donald wrote: Men's fashions, however, change at the speed of glaciers, so there is little chance of that becoming acceptable for men. All we need is the return of the fedora, I'd bet, as most cameras I can remember are up high. Cheers, RAH --

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... I've been seeing your nitwitticisms and shallow observations for several weeks now. Time to plonk you. Bye. And I can honestly say that based on Tim May's responses, he simply doesn't get what I am saying most of the time. In this case I wasn't actually being too clever. In

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, James A. Donald wrote: In today's Vietnam women commonly dress like Ninjas, completely covering every square inch of skin. Even the eyes are covered with dark glasses. The costume however is tight, covering the face but revealing the figure. It doesn't matter what

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-08 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim May wrote... Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings Uh...do you actually hold Aryan meetings? Is this a white supremist thing, or will the following be welcome: Iranians Afghans Most people hailing from Northern India Turks And for that matter, what about

Re: Television

2003-01-08 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 06:06 PM, AARG! Anonymous wrote: Re- which software does big letters, I can just say that I am appalled by the ignorance. It's the standard unix banner program, some 20 years old. ## # I remember it from

Re: Television

2003-01-08 Thread Anonymous
Sam Ritchie sneered: Hmmm, is someone a wittle upset over a certain recent textual reprimand? No need for petty schoolyard insults, May. What happened to the new year's resolution you made? ~S Am I just imagining it, or is there a definite increase in people never heard from before

Re: Television

2003-01-08 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 07:26 PM, Sam Ritchie wrote: Hmmm, is someone a wittle upset over a certain recent textual reprimand? No need for petty schoolyard insults, May. What happened to the new year's resolution you made? I hope someone kills your family within the next two weeks.