Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

--- "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [permanent holy war] > Steve Thompson > > True, but there's a question of the waste of resources and > > man-years that would come from such a circumstance. > > All the oil money has been wasted, most of the humans in the > middle east have suff

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-- James A. Donald: > > Permanent holy war in Iraq would keep them busy and out of > > mischief WITHOUT permanent large involvement from American > > military. Steve Thompson > True, but there's a question of the waste of resources and > man-years that would come from such a circumstance. A

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--- "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > James A. Donald: > > > Seems to me that permanent civil war in Iraq provides > > > Americans with the same benefits as democracy in Iraq, > > > though considerably more reliably. > > Steve Thompson > > You might be more accurate to say

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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: > When the Taliban came in to power, they seemed to offer some stability, > albeit at a price. And I'd bet a lot of people in the shoes of the Afghanis > would have been willing to pay that price. An afghani is a unit of currency, worth much less than a pe

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-- On 25 Nov 2004 at 10:10, Tyler Durden wrote: > More to the point is that a long term period of chaos and > turbulence causes the locals to be willing to open the door > to the like of the Taliban, Those who used to mindlessly chant commie propaganda now mindlessly chant islamist propaganda.

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-- James A Donald wrote... > > What made [Afghanistan] a breeding ground for terrorism was > > not civil war, but diminuition of civil war. The problem > > was that the Taliban was damn near victorious. If the US > > government had maintained the relationship with our former > > anti communis

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-- James A. Donald: > > Seems to me that permanent civil war in Iraq provides > > Americans with the same benefits as democracy in Iraq, > > though considerably more reliably. Steve Thompson > You might be more accurate to say that a permanent [civil] > war in Iraq benefits miltiary leaders an

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Thus spake Steve Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [25/11/04 10:17]: : You're dreaming. People simply do not learn from history. People /do/ learn from history. But most people never bother learning history, period, and many of those that do believe that their situation is different. And... : Never

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--- "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > James A. Donald: > > > > And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? > > On 24 Nov 2004 at 2:42, Bill Stewart wrote: > > Well, once you get past the invalid and dishonest parts of > > Bush's 57 reasons We Need to Invade Iraq Right Now

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James A Donald wrote... What made it a breeding ground for terrorism was not civil war, but diminuition of civil war. The problem was that the Taliban was damn near victorious. If the US government had maintained the relationship with our former anti communist allies, and kept on sending them arm

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-- James A. Donald: > > > And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? On 24 Nov 2004 at 2:42, Bill Stewart wrote: > Well, once you get past the invalid and dishonest parts of > Bush's 57 reasons We Need to Invade Iraq Right Now (WMDs, > Al-Qaeda, Tried to kill Bush's Daddy, etc.) you're pret

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-- James A. Donald > > And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? John Kelsey > At least three: > > a. The pottery barn theory of foreign affairs--we'd be > blamed for making things worse. And if we do nothing, we are also blamed for making things worse: Observe, for example 1. the Fr

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-- James A Donald wrote... > > And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? Tyler Durden > And the answer is: 9/11 sucked. > > Oh wait, I guess I have to explain that. After the Soviets > were pushed out of Afghanistan the place became a veritable > breeding ground for all sorts of virulent

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John Kelsey wrote... Well, I'm sure glad we avoided having Iraq become a breeding ground for all sorts of virulent strains of Islam, warlords, etc. Also that we avoided it becoming a place that trains people in how to carry out effective guerrilla warfare against US troops. We sure dodged a bul

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

Associated Press has pre-issued a Thanksgiving Day photo of a former US soldier who lost a leg, participating in a photo op at a military base. Secdef and CJCS issued pre-holiday thanks yesterday to the families of the military dead and to the wounded and maimed in hospitals and on photo op tours.

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At 1:05 PM -0500 11/24/04, John Kelsey wrote: >effective guerrilla warfare against >US troops. Uh, huh...Just for fun, see the title of this thread. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation 44 Farquhar Street, Bost

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>From: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 24, 2004 12:08 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report >James A Donald wrote... >>And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? >And the answer is: 9/11 sucked

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>From: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 24, 2004 1:02 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report ... >And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? At least three: a. The pottery barn theory of foreign affairs--we

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On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 12:08:37PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: > Oh wait, I guess I have to explain that. After the Soviets were pushed out > of Afghanistan the place became a veritable breeding ground for all sorts > of virulent strains of Islam, warlords, and so on. Iraq would likely > denigra

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James A Donald wrote... And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? And the answer is: 9/11 sucked. Oh wait, I guess I have to explain that. After the Soviets were pushed out of Afghanistan the place became a veritable breeding ground for all sorts of virulent strains of Islam, warlords, and so

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At 10:02 PM 11/23/2004, James A. Donald wrote: > And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? Well, once you get past the invalid and dishonest parts of Bush's 57 reasons We Need to Invade Iraq Right Now (WMDs, Al-Qaeda, Tried to kill Bush's Daddy, etc.) you're pretty much left with "Saddam tried t

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On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 10:02:56PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: > And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? Because not only you're an evil fuck, but you're letting the others know you're an evil fuck. Now that is stupid. Look into historic records... -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>lei

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-- R.A. Hettinga > > I think if we had decapitated Iraq, went after our military > > objectives, like securing what was a threat to us, > > including Iraq's senior military and political leadership > > and their weapons stockpiles, and left political order to > > emerge there on its own, li

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 4:41 PM + 11/23/04, ken wrote: >So that's why you guys are behaving exactly like we used to? Yup, since you can't anymore, having dropped the ball, a long, long, time ago. Monopolarity is a bitch. See Churchill, below... ;-) Cheers, RAH - --

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R.A. Hettinga wrote: Apparently, understanding the recursive minutiae of the Levant, et al., the old-fashioned "received", regurgitated, OxBridge way didn't help y'all too much when it came to Fabianizing yourselves back to the stone-age, either, since we're on the subject of neo-feudalist totalita

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>From: "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 22, 2004 11:35 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report ... >I'm pretty heretical about this. I think if we had decapitated Iraq, went >after our military objectives

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 11:13 AM + 11/23/04, "ken" reached out from his Birkbeck student digs to make September Forever once again on the cypherpunks list: >Muhammad Ahmad the so-called Mahdi Sayyed Qtub is who every model of a modern major islamofascist likes to poi

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The current war against western civilization started in the 1920's, when Qutb started writing his Moslem triumphalist blather in reaction to the complete collapse of the Turkish Caliphate in the wake of World War I. Eh? OK, I wouldn't have expected you to have heard of Uthman dan Fodio and the Ful

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Hell, the entire Cold War, John. Including your beloved Viet Nam, which was a *battle*, not a war in same. When Castro, and North Korea, etc., finally fall, then the cold war will be over. That war was won (or lost, depending on how you look at it) by the inherent failures of communism itself, not

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 11:21 AM -0800 11/22/04, John Young wrote: >Every application of US military might since WW2 has failed. Korea. Yes. Korea. Hell, the entire Cold War, John. Including your beloved Viet Nam, which was a *battle*, not a war in same. When Castro, and

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 10:38 AM -0500 11/22/04, John Kelsey wrote: >we need people to do the occupying, I'm pretty heretical about this. I think if we had decapitated Iraq, went after our military objectives, like securing what was a threat to us, including Iraq's senior

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

The Selective Service website unctuously declares there is no draft foreseen at the moment and lists defeat of recent congressional efforts to institute the draft. However, it emphasizes that the agency is required by law to remain at the ready to immediately institute a draft upon notice. As par

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

>From: "R.A. Hettinga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Nov 21, 2004 9:23 PM >To: John Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report ... >By the way, John, did you know that Bush Is Going To Revive The Draft??? I kno

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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: > At 8:26 PM -0800 11/21/04, John Young wrote: %< SNIP %< > By the way, John, did you know that Bush Is Going To Revive The Draft??? Troll -1 > Or was it that Bush Lied and People Died??? True +1 > Or maybe, it was that John Kerry Was In Viet Nam??

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 8:26 PM -0800 11/21/04, John Young wrote: >Jesus, Bob, this and the Schwartz hosannah for Free Fallujah >are about as bad a puke as anything you've posted. and... >BTW, Bob, what's your draft status? Born in 1959. One of two years in most of the

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Jesus, Bob, this and the Schwartz hosannah for Free Fallujah are about as bad a puke as anything you've posted. These vomitoria are upchucked by the hundreds by professional writers usually under contract, or angling for one, or in the case of the eye-witness in the propaganda unit of the Corp

Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Green Side Sunday, November 21, 2004 Email from Dave - Nov 19, 04 Dear Dad - Just came out of the city and I honestly do not know where to start. I am afraid that whatever I send you