Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Ken Hirsch
> But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not > bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited > up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be > heroic. > > That indicates something, what exactly it indicates is left as

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:03:05PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: > So we not only have secret courts, we have secret appeals courts to > reverse secret court decisions the government doesn't like. I'd urge folks to read the redacted opinion, available here: http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/common/newsroo

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:13:55PM -0800, Tim May wrote: > One wonders about secret rulings which have never been made public. > Perhaps the Supreme Court also meets in secret and issues secret > rulings. At least in these current proceedings, we'll never know. Since the federal government is th

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Tyler Durden
So there's plenty of meat for conspiracy theory for a long time to come Dave Emory has documented possible links between McVeigh and neo-fascist groups. Search through http://www.spitfirelist.com/. He also extensively documents connections between the Bush family and the bin Ladens http://www.

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Keith Ray
Quoting Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Third, there are good reasons why two of our list members have been > sentenced to long jail terms by Big Brother, why some have fled the > country, and why the Treasury Department's Criminal Investigation Unit > published my SS number and declared in docu

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Sunder wrote: > But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not > bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited > up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be > heroic. > > That indicates something, w

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 03:04 PM, Mike Diehl wrote: On Monday 18 November 2002 04:03 pm, Eric Cordian wrote: Someone posted: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday said the U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to wiretap suspected terrorism

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Sunder
But you forget - the BATF agents were all beeped and informed to not bother to come in to work that day, and instead met up elsewhere, suited up so they could arrive just in time (a few minutes after the boom) to be heroic. That indicates something, what exactly it indicates is left as an excercis

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 12:59 PM, Tyler Durden wrote: These aren't meant as rhetorical "I'm making a really good point" questions, but actual questions. Depending on your answer, I wonder how you feel about the WTC (along with a few thousand people) getting taken out by an American

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Mike Diehl
On Monday 18 November 2002 04:03 pm, Eric Cordian wrote: > Someone posted: > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday > > said the U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to > > wiretap suspected terrorism suspects under a law adopted by

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Anonymous
Tim is absolutely right -- we need a new Timmy McVeigh everyday. The people in that building were feds, the kids were fed kids. Unfortunate for the kids, but so what? Nits turn into lice. How many kids died at Waco?

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Anonymous wrote: > Tim is absolutely right -- we need a new Timmy McVeigh everyday. The > people in that building were feds, the kids were fed kids. Unfortunate > for the kids, but so what? Nits turn into lice. How many kids died at > Waco? Thanks for the troll. We really

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-18 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:31 AM, Elyn Wollensky wrote: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers 36 minutes ago WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday said the U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to wiretap suspected terrorism

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-18 Thread Eric Cordian
Someone posted: > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A special, secretive appeals court on Monday said the > U.S. government has the right to use expanded powers to wiretap suspected > terrorism suspects under a law adopted by Congress after the Sept. 11, 2001, > attacks. So we not only have secret courts, w

Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers

2002-11-18 Thread Tyler Durden
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:13:55 -0800 On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 10:31 AM, Elyn Wollensky wrote: Secret Court Says U.S. Has Broad Wiretap Powers 36 minutes ago WASHINGTON (Reuters) -