Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-24 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 08:36:58PM +0100, Vincent Renardias wrote: > "This program is catware. If you find it useful in any way, pay for this > program by spending one hour petting one or several cats." > > I'm indeed not quite sure 'catware' qualifies as DFSG-free. The obvious problem is that i

Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-24 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 01:50:21PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > David Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you are indeed serious... technically, you are right, of course, > > but I think people are really going to think we are just a bunch of > > grumpy party-poopers if we seriously start to ge

(forw) [Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl: Re: util-linux compromised]

1999-01-24 Thread Michael Neuffer
- Start forwarded message - Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:19:09 +0100 (MET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], linux-security@redhat.com Subject: Re: util-linux compromised Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender

[bcollins@debian.org: Uploaded cgiwrap 3.6.3-1 (source i386) to master]

1999-01-24 Thread Ben Collins
This package was upgraded to a new upstream release to fix a few potential problems with our old version. Since we are so deep in freeze right now I would appreciate people who use (or may not use) cgiwrap to test it thoroughly. Thanks, Ben - Forwarded message from Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread James A. Treacy
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 02:32:27PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > The existence of a recurring discussion usually indicates an unsolved > problem. A vote might or might not resolve the underlying issue. > Let's hope that there is enough interest generated that we actually do solve the problem. >

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Darren Benham
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 24-Jan-99 John Hasler wrote: > Andrew G . Feinberg writes: >> Why in the world do we need to license something as trivial as a _logo_? > > We don't. Of course we do. Otherwise we'd have to grant permission to every tom-dick-harry that wanted to use it in a

Re: libc5 sources missing for sparc

1999-01-24 Thread Ben Collins
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 11:14:18PM +0100, Eric Delaunay wrote: > > Debian/SPARC is still providing libc 5.3.12 in binary form but no sources. > I don't think the libc 5.4.46 is working for sparc, therefore we need to put > the 5.3.12 sources in slink again. > As the maintainer of libc5 I can do a n

libc5 sources missing for sparc

1999-01-24 Thread Eric Delaunay
Debian/SPARC is still providing libc 5.3.12 in binary form but no sources. I don't think the libc 5.4.46 is working for sparc, therefore we need to put the 5.3.12 sources in slink again. As the maintainer of libc5 I can do a new upload but I don't know whether the dinstall script will process it t

Re: Reality check!

1999-01-24 Thread Steve Dunham
"M.C. Vernon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I would see this as a RH-style - so a rather bloated kernel which includes > lots of stuff as standard, and asks them the pertinent questions all at > once at the beginning, and then gets on with it. Excuse me, but RedHat actually boots on my laptop bec

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-24 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 24 Jan 1999, John Lapeyre wrote: > I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the > installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good. > Getting the base system on is easy for someone who knows what is going on. > Probably not for a beginner. As someone

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-24 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 01:32:28PM -0700, John Lapeyre wrote: > > I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the > installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good. > Getting the base system on is easy for someone who knows what is going on. > Probably not f

Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-24 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 12:48:07PM -0600, David Welton wrote: > > (and it's 'humor' by the way;-))) > > humour is a perfectly valid word. Ask your nearest dictd with Webster > and Wordnet installed, for example. Humour is correct (in British

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-24 Thread John Lapeyre
I guess I should add this to my last post about how bad the installation is. The boot floppies themselves and apt are quite good. Getting the base system on is easy for someone who knows what is going on. Probably not for a beginner. John Lapeyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tucson,AZ http:

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-24 Thread John Lapeyre
I did a fresh install yesterday from a hamm CD (our free CheapBytes CD). I chose the scientifc workstation option. This caused a minor nightmare. The only reason I was able to complete the install is because I have a few hundred hours experience in maintaining debian systems. I really

Re: fvwm{,2,-common} packages up for adoption

1999-01-24 Thread servis
*- Vincent Renardias wrote about "Re: fvwm{,2,-common} packages up for adoption" > On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Austin Donnelly wrote: > >> I am (in theory) still maintaining the following packages: >> >> fvwm >> fvwm2 >> fvwm-common >> xloadimage >> xcal >> >> In practice, I haven't uploaded new versio

Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-24 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 08:36:58PM +0100, Vincent Renardias wrote: > I'm indeed not quite sure 'catware' qualifies as DFSG-free. Well, it doesn't. It fails point 5; it discriminates against people like me who are allergic to cats and dogs. :-) Antti-Juhani -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanah

Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-24 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 12:48:07PM -0600, David Welton wrote: > (and it's 'humor' by the way;-))) humour is a perfectly valid word. Ask your nearest dictd with Webster and Wordnet installed, for example. Antti-Juhani -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.

Re: pppd 2.3.5 (was RE: getting kernel 2.2 into slink)

1999-01-24 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Ed Boraas wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Brent Fulgham wrote: > > >> The issue being that there IS a problem - e.g. are we going to provide > >> ppp1 and ppp2? That sounds like trouble to me. > >> > >Real Question (not a snipe): Is there any reason everyone couldn't use a >

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Buddha Buck
> On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 11:44:06PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: > > We shouldn't license our logo by any license that does not comply with the > > DFSG. To do so would be hypocritical. > > > Not true. It's the Debian Free SOFTWARE Guidelines. A logo is not software. > It may well be that we want a l

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Jonathan P Tomer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- is the name debian a registered trademark? if it is, wouldn't it be sensible to do the same for the logo? - --p. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNqt2MUJhnFR90XSjAQHeFAf9EULUklt0QfjI2DAbrPK2

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Raul Miller
James A. Treacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope that you are not trying to argue that there is no difference > between a program and a logo. This is clearly ridiculous. That's not my point. However, the definition of "software" is broad enough to cover both, and the use of that particular wor

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread James A. Treacy
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 01:42:30PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 11:44:06PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: > > > We shouldn't license our logo by any license that does not comply > > > with the DFSG. To do so would be hypocritical. > > James A. Treacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: NMU of xxgdb

1999-01-24 Thread Martin Bialasinski
>> "DM" == Daniel Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DM> I converted it over to using debhelper, so the diff is actually DM> quite large for an NMU - also, I made enough changes to the actual DM> source so that it no longer needs changes to X include files to DM> compile - I didn't quite do this

Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-24 Thread Raul Miller
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 08:36:58PM +0100, Vincent Renardias wrote: > > I'm indeed not quite sure 'catware' qualifies as DFSG-free. For what it's worth, I don't think we have any policy forbidding the use of humor in non-free. -- Raul

Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-24 Thread Raul Miller
David Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you are indeed serious... technically, you are right, of course, > but I think people are really going to think we are just a bunch of > grumpy party-poopers if we seriously start to get anal about obviously > silly licenses like this..:-> Perhaps we ne

Re: filters: Licence problems

1999-01-24 Thread David Welton
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 08:36:58PM +0100, Vincent Renardias wrote: > > [CC:'ed to debian-devel, since debian-humour doesn't exist (yet?) ;] Err.. so you're not serious, right?:-> Don't want to seem sarcasm impaired, but, what with all the "legal bullshit" slung around here lately.. (and it's 'hu

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 11:44:06PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: > > We shouldn't license our logo by any license that does not comply > > with the DFSG. To do so would be hypocritical. James A. Treacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not true. It's the Debian Free SOFTWARE Guidelines. You're trying to ma

filters: Licence problems

1999-01-24 Thread Vincent Renardias
[CC:'ed to debian-devel, since debian-humour doesn't exist (yet?) ;] Actually, the licence of the 'ky00te' filter is especially interesting: Quoting from the ky00te.dir/README.ky00te file from the src distribution: "This program is catware. If you find it useful in any way, pay for this progra

NMU of xxgdb

1999-01-24 Thread Daniel Martin
I've prepared an NMU of xxgdb - I believe that this fixes all outstanding reported bugs against it. I'm contacting you two as one of you is the listed maintainer of xxgdb, and the other of you did the libc6 NMU for hamm. I'm cross-posting to debian-devel in case anyone else had been looking at fi

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 10:35:50PM -0600, Andrew G . Feinberg wrote: > Why in the world do we need to license something as trivial as a > _logo_? Because if we don't, nobody has the right to make copies of it and display it publically. It's the same reason as with software. > as a normal person

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Bear Giles
Wichert wrote: > Previously Paul Sheer wrote: > > Also: there is no GPL secure shell (as far as I know). > > But people are working on that. From what I hear it's on the verge of > becoming useable. Don't ask me about the name, I always forget it. MIT Kerberos (4 and 5) is open source and provide

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread James A. Treacy
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 11:44:06PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: > Robert Woodcock wrote: > > "You are licensed to use and distribute modified versions of this logo to > > refer to or advertise debian." > > > > Note that this fails DFSG point #6. I believe this was the original intent. > > We shouldn't

Re: fvwm{,2,-common} packages up for adoption

1999-01-24 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Austin Donnelly wrote: > I am (in theory) still maintaining the following packages: > > fvwm > fvwm2 > fvwm-common > xloadimage > xcal > > In practice, I haven't uploaded new versions of these for many months. I volunteer to adotp fvwm2 & fvwm-common. (I already began to wo

My platform for Project Leader elections

1999-01-24 Thread Richard Braakman
I'm cross-posting this more widely than is usual, because people have been waiting for it, and it's the only such statement I plan to make. Please send replies to debian-vote (or privately, of course). This platform is late, but I figure it's better late than never. I've given an explanation of my

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Darren Benham
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 24-Jan-99 Avery Pennarun wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 07:48:00PM -0600, Stephen Crowley wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 04:21:37PM -0800, Chris Waters wrote: >> > Debian is a free project to distribute a free OS. It should have a free >> > logo. FREE

Re: CVS and sending a message when a file is updated (Was: NEWS for debian-boot

1999-01-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >For Steve, the simplest solution is probably to subscribe to debian-boot >(which receives the CVS updates) and to use procmail to filter: Thanks. I've been subscribed to debian-boot for a new days now, so I'm seeing things going through. -- Ste

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Jules Bean
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Paul Sheer wrote: > > Also: there is no GPL secure shell (as far as I know). > > But people are working on that. From what I hear it's on the verge of > becoming useable. Don't ask me about the name, I always forget it. It's called psst.

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread John Hasler
Andrew G . Feinberg writes: > Why in the world do we need to license something as trivial as a _logo_? We don't. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you ca

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Paul Sheer wrote: > Also: there is no GPL secure shell (as far as I know). But people are working on that. From what I hear it's on the verge of becoming useable. Don't ask me about the name, I always forget it. Wichert. --

fvwm{,2,-common} packages up for adoption

1999-01-24 Thread Austin Donnelly
Hi, I am (in theory) still maintaining the following packages: fvwm fvwm2 fvwm-common xloadimage xcal In practice, I haven't uploaded new versions of these for many months. Both xcal and xloadimage have few outstanding bugs. fvwm2 has many outstanding bugs, some of which are in reality either

Re: the Great X Reorganization, package splits, and renaming

1999-01-24 Thread Jules Bean
Umm.. I still think we're talking at cross-purpose. 1) xfonts-* C/R/P xfnt-*. Yes, I knew this was true. Yes, I knew Branden knew this :-) 2) Branden doesn't like xfnt-* hanging around. We agree. 3) However, if someone were to create xfnt-* packages which *Depend* on the corresponding xfont-

Re: Reality check!

1999-01-24 Thread M.C. Vernon
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Steve Shorter wrote: > On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > > installation easier requires hard work. If it would be easy, it would have > > been long done. The trick is to keep flexibility (and don't tell me SuSE is > > flexibel). Doing it easy for the newbie and

Re: what is libgcc.map ?

1999-01-24 Thread Ionutz Borcoman
Matthias Klose wrote: > > Ossama Othman writes: > > Hi, > > > > I'm not sure what it is, but below are the contents of > > '/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/egcs-2.91.60/libgcc.map' on my potato system. > > I was also missing this file when I did a new potato installation. I

Re: what is libgcc.map ?

1999-01-24 Thread Matthias Klose
Ossama Othman writes: > Hi, > > I'm not sure what it is, but below are the contents of > '/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/egcs-2.91.60/libgcc.map' on my potato system. > I was also missing this file when I did a new potato installation. I had > to copy it from other potato system to make things

Re: apt-get install (for source)

1999-01-24 Thread Remco van de Meent
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > I finally worked out what a great feature apt-get install is. I was > > wondering whether anybody has thought of making an option such as -s to > > instead download the source files for the named package. > > There are a handfull of bugs about exactly that and indeed we

Re: Reality check! [was: Re: Debian goes big business?]

1999-01-24 Thread thomas lakofski
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 08:51:25PM +, thomas lakofski wrote: > > OK, since it seems that this kind of thing will probably only happen in a > > commercial context, maybe it would make sense to arrange commercial > > sponsorship of Debian in a bigge

Re: Update was Re: Unsatisfied depends in slink main

1999-01-24 Thread Steve McIntyre
Jason Gunthorpe writes: >On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Dale Scheetz wrote: >> While what you say is in principle true, in practice it doesn't always >> work out that way. My experience has been that many problems experienced >> by our users, and much of the fault on "broken" CDs have been the result >> of o

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Paul Sheer
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Bear Giles wrote: > > It supports strong encryption but is exportable from > > the US because it does not have encryption compiled in by default. Instead > > it downloads the scripts it needs from South Africa when it runs for the > > first time. > > This is *extremely* risk

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Joey Hess
Robert Woodcock wrote: > "You are licensed to use and distribute modified versions of this logo to > refer to or advertise debian." > > Note that this fails DFSG point #6. I believe this was the original intent. We shouldn't license our logo by any license that does not comply with the DFSG. To d

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Robert Woodcock
Avery Pennarun wrote: >What if someone gets hold of the Linux kernel and uses it to guide nuclear >missiles? (Well, at least they have to share their changes with us :)) Only if they distribute the control systems :> >Seriously, slander is slander, and it's rude, and people will know it when >th

Re: check if X is running?

1999-01-24 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > I'd like to remove that check and make it a better one. Is checking > for $DISPLAY sufficient? > Why not just try to open the display, and if that fails bail out to text mode? (Since $DISPLAY might be invalid, or there might be a -display command l

Re: Update was Re: Unsatisfied depends in slink main

1999-01-24 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > Of course this is not at all true, the package files are generated > > directly from the .deb files daily they are never wrong, if they were then > > our tools would stop working! > > While what you say is in principle true, in practice it doesn't alw

Re: apt-get install (for source)

1999-01-24 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 24 Jan 1999, David Maslen wrote: > I finally worked out what a great feature apt-get install is. > I was wondering whether anybody has thought of making an option such > as -s to instead download the source files for the named package. There are a handfull of bugs about exactly that and ind

apt-get install (for source)

1999-01-24 Thread David Maslen
I finally worked out what a great feature apt-get install is. I was wondering whether anybody has thought of making an option such as -s to instead download the source files for the named package. -- Binary Bar - Australia's first free access internet bar/cafe/gallery. 243 Brunswick Street, Fitzr

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 07:48:00PM -0600, Stephen Crowley wrote: > On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 04:21:37PM -0800, Chris Waters wrote: > > Debian is a free project to distribute a free OS. It should have a free > > logo. FREE THE LOGO!! FREE THE LOGO!! :-) > > And what if some anti-debian people ge

Re: what is libgcc.map ?

1999-01-24 Thread Ionutz Borcoman
Hi, Thanks. Indeed this was the problem. I will submit a bug report if nobody has already done this. Ionutz Ossama Othman wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm not sure what it is, but below are the contents of > '/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/egcs-2.91.60/libgcc.map' on my

Re: what is libgcc.map ?

1999-01-24 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi, I'm not sure what it is, but below are the contents of '/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/egcs-2.91.60/libgcc.map' on my potato system. I was also missing this file when I did a new potato installation. I had to copy it from other potato system to make things work again. I'm not sure if it was the

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread James LewisMoss
> On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:52:12 +0100, Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: Wichert> [1 ] For the Nth Wichert> time our logo license has expired. It might be a good idea Wichert> to finally finalize the license instead of just extending Wichert> its lifetime every couple of mon

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Andrew G . Feinberg
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 02:55:56AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Agreed. Shall we move the logo license discussion to debian-legal and > rewrite it there? Explain: Why in the world do we need to license something as trivial as a _logo_? I havent been a developer for a long time, but it

what is libgcc.map ?

1999-01-24 Thread Ionutz Borcoman
Hi, Can please somebody decrypt this message for me ? /usr/bin/ld: cannot open linker script file libgcc.map: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [../lib/libvdk.so.0.5.1] Error 1 Any ideas ? TIA, Ionutz

Re: the Great X Reorganization, package splits, and renaming

1999-01-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Jan-99, 21:21 (CST), Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2. Assuming the user does nothing mess with those, they would eventually > > be shown a Conflict Resolution screen that would show the new xfont-* > > packages selected and the xfnt-* packages deselected. User should just >

Re: Reality check!

1999-01-24 Thread Steve Shorter
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > installation easier requires hard work. If it would be easy, it would have > been long done. The trick is to keep flexibility (and don't tell me SuSE is > flexibel). Doing it easy for the newbie and configurable for the experienced > user requires a w

Re: the Great X Reorganization, package splits, and renaming

1999-01-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 08:32:32PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > People were discussing the transition from the old layout to new, and > about upgrading. In particular, the fact that some packages had been > renamed, in particular xfnt-* -> xfonts-* seemed to make some people > think that it was

problem with linker

1999-01-24 Thread Ionutz Borcoman
Hi, Can please somebody decript this message for me ? /usr/bin/ld: cannot open linker script file libgcc.map: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [../lib/libvdk.so.0.5.1] Error 1 Any ideas ? TIA, Ionutz

Re: check if X is running?

1999-01-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 02:43:49AM +, Martin Held wrote: > Hmm. This sounds a lot like the Matlab Engineering tool I just learned > how to use last Term. It's mainly console based, but can display graphs > and plots and the like. If the user doesn't have the DISPLAY variable set > right, it

Re: check if X is running?

1999-01-24 Thread aqy6633
> I think another way to do it is to build two seperate binaries. For > example, create xprog and prog, one that is X-only, and another that is > console-only. This allows the user to specifcally set which version they > want, and it might also reduce the amount of code needed per program and > s

Re: check if X is running?

1999-01-24 Thread Martin Held
Hmm. This sounds a lot like the Matlab Engineering tool I just learned how to use last Term. It's mainly console based, but can display graphs and plots and the like. If the user doesn't have the DISPLAY variable set right, it just tries to send the graphics off to a null server and doens't even

Re: check if X is running?

1999-01-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 02:30:56AM +, Martin Held wrote: > I think another way to do it is to build two seperate binaries. For > example, create xprog and prog, one that is X-only, and another that is > console-only. This allows the user to specifcally set which version they > want, and it mi

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hi, On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 02:54:14AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > * It is a penguin (even if some think it's a chicken). A penguin is already > > the Linux logo, are we only capable of plagiarism, or are we up to the > > task > > and have an identi

Re: check if X is running?

1999-01-24 Thread Martin Held
I think another way to do it is to build two seperate binaries. For example, create xprog and prog, one that is X-only, and another that is console-only. This allows the user to specifcally set which version they want, and it might also reduce the amount of code needed per program and speed it up

Re: the Great X Reorganization, package splits, and renaming

1999-01-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Jan-99, 18:57 (CST), Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the meantime, please explain this to me. > > C/R/P will automatically deinstall the old xfnt packages, WITHOUT > installing their replacements? Is that true of the old static libs? No. I think one of us (quite possibly

check if X is running?

1999-01-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
Can anyone suggest a good way to tell if the user is running a program from X? A program I maintain can run in terminal or graphical mode. It currently checks if graphics are available by comparing $TERM to a string included at compile time. That's "xterm" by default, which doesn't work on Debian

Anybody packaging doxygen ?

1999-01-24 Thread Ionutz Borcoman
Hi, Is anybody packaging doxygen ? http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/index.html doxygen was inspired by doc++ and is a documenting tool for C and C++ (and Java). Now it has around 4 times more options than doc++. The author is working also on implementing the creation

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Darren Benham
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 24-Jan-99 Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Darren Benham wrote: >> The current license? Are you sure? It needs to be rewritten if for no >> other >> reason but to remove the expiration date. > > Okay, so I should have read the license before posting th

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > * It is a penguin (even if some think it's a chicken). A penguin is already > the Linux logo, are we only capable of plagiarism, or are we up to the task > and have an identity of our own? Heh, nobody seems to be able to spot that :) > * A penguin is submi

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Chris Waters wrote: > Debian is a free project to distribute a free OS. It should have a free > logo. FREE THE LOGO!! FREE THE LOGO!! :-) Agreed. Shall we move the logo license discussion to debian-legal and rewrite it there? Wichert. -- ==

RE: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Ed Boraas
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Darren Benham wrote: > >On 23-Jan-99 Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> I propose that we vote on accepting both the logo and the current >> license. >> > >The current license? Are you sure? It needs to be rewritten if for no other >reason but to remove the expiration date. Note t

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Ed Boraas
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Chris Waters wrote: >Wichert Akkerman wrote: > >> I propose that we vote on accepting both the logo and the current >> license. > >I very much dislike the current license. I'm a debian developer, I'd >like to put the debian logo on my home page, but I do *not* necessarily >wa

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Stephen Crowley
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 04:21:37PM -0800, Chris Waters wrote: > Debian is a free project to distribute a free OS. It should have a free > logo. FREE THE LOGO!! FREE THE LOGO!! :-) And what if some anti-debian people get ahold of the logo and use it for evil purposes? -- Stephen Crowley

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Ed Boraas
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >I propose that we vote on accepting both the logo and the current >license. I think this is a good idea. If this proposal needs to be seconded, consider this my "seconded!". If it needs to be seconded somewhere else (debian-vote?) i'll do so there :)

Re: the .app extension on (some) wmaker apps

1999-01-24 Thread Stephen Crowley
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 06:10:36PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm trying to package wmsysmon.app -- but I'm not sure about the .app that > *some* wmaker apps get -- I'm not sure if I should have the package as > wmsysmon.app or just wmsysmon. > > The tarball is wmsysmon.app, but the binary

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Darren Benham wrote: > The current license? Are you sure? It needs to be rewritten if for no other > reason but to remove the expiration date. Okay, so I should have read the license before posting that :). Should we change anything besides removing the expiration date? So far nobody

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Raul Miller
Bear Giles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The problem isn't in *producing* a package, it's in *acquiring* that > package later. What happens if someone successfully attacks a site > immediately before you mirror it? What happens if someone replaces a PGP signature? Answer: people notice. [Conside

Re: Crypto software that *is* exportable from the USA

1999-01-24 Thread Bear Giles
> Bear Giles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But you're biting your own tail here. Where do you get that "good" > > checksum? > > Any place which is acceptable to the package maintainer -- perhaps out > of a pgp signed archive. Remember, the start of this discussion was an (FTP) mirroring program

Re: the Great X Reorganization, package splits, and renaming

1999-01-24 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Jan 23, 1999 at 10:11:48PM +, Jules Bean wrote: > I don't think Branden realised that the conf/repl/prov trick will > automatically deinstall the xfnt packages. My understanding of his > objection was the ugliness of having them hang around. I'm far, far more willing to play games wit

RE: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Darren Benham
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 23-Jan-99 Wichert Akkerman wrote: > I propose that we vote on accepting both the logo and the current > license. > The current license? Are you sure? It needs to be rewritten if for no other reason but to remove the expiration date.

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Chris Waters
Wichert Akkerman wrote: > I propose that we vote on accepting both the logo and the current > license. I very much dislike the current license. I'm a debian developer, I'd like to put the debian logo on my home page, but I do *not* necessarily want to devote half or more of my home page to debia

Re: Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hi, On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 12:52:12AM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > There has also been mention of people wanting a different logo. I think > we should stick to our current logo for several reasons though: > > * it is a good logo: it's easily recognizable, simple to draw, scales > good and

Debian logo & its license

1999-01-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
For the Nth time our logo license has expired. It might be a good idea to finally finalize the license instead of just extending its lifetime every couple of months. There has also been mention of people wanting a different logo. I think we should stick to our current logo for several reasons tho