Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-15 Thread Mike Markley
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 04:58:19PM -0400, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake forth: > Why would a package be in contrib if it didn't depend on non-free? I > thought that that was the current definition of contrib: DFSG-free, but > requires something from outside of main (e.g., contrib or non

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Anthony" == Anthony Towns writes: Anthony> To clarify a little: I want to be able to answer the Anthony> questions up front, do the install and have it work. If I've This is not somethign anyone can argue with. Anthony> made a mistake (like not put a file where I said I did Anth

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 08:26:50PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > Anthony Towns wrote: > > Basically, I'd like to be able to insist that I'm *never* asked a question > > as part of a postinst. I'd rather the postinst fail (and I'd rather Apt/Dpkg > > just get on with installing everything else, although

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Anthony" == Anthony Towns writes: Anthony> ifconfig is a required file for /sbin according the the FHS Anthony> section 3.10 as distributed in the debian-policy package. I think that some people are espousing non-compliance with the standards. Is that what we want to do? Steve>

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Colin Walters
Bas Zoetekouw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I personally would like having hardware detection stuff in woody. > Wouldn't it be great to have to install procedure ask you something > like "hi dude, I've detected that you've got a ne2000 NIC in your > computer. Shall I load the appropriate module?"

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Brian May
> "Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> I read your entire message and could not find any examples Joey> of things that debconf cannot handle correctly, except of Joey> course for conffile change prompting, which it was never Joey> designed to do. I think somet

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Towns wrote: > > > X...Y1) Ask to remove /System.map files > > > .X Y2) ask to prepare a boot floppy > > > XXX.Y3) ask which floppy drive to use > > > .XX.?4) do I need to format the floppy? > > > .XXXN5) Insert floppy, hit return

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 01:12:58AM +0300, Eray Ozkural wrote: > I was confused by not having ifconfig in my user path. On this machine, > there's only a dial-up net connection, and it has some small connectivity > problems. I need to check whether the line's really up. I found > myself going super-

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 11:38:28PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > == > > - Question depends on test on fie system > > / Question important (IMHO) > > |/ --- Depends on previous answer > > ||/

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Steve Bowman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:01:49PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > The strange part is that _some_ contrib packages are scattered > > across the 3 CDs, but not all of the packages. For example, lyx > > is _not_ there. Only 83 packages are included:

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
I wrote: > I sent LSL email and they have corrected their web site to read: > > Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 CDR Intel (6 CD Set) $8.99 > Debian 2.2 Binary CDR Intel (3 CD Set) $5.50 > > So it's consistent now (and pretty cheap too). > > Next I'll email cheapbytes because they also ad

new developper with new packages

2000-08-15 Thread Christophe Prud'homme
Hi I am developper on two projects: 1- corelinux (LGPL): http://corelinux.sourceforge.net OOA and OOD for Linux 2- freefem(GPL): http://kfem.sourceforge.net Finite Element Code and I have created rather involved debian packages for them and I would like to submit them to woody (

Intel Assembly error

2000-08-15 Thread Richard Hecker
Hi; I ran into a compiler error that I do not recognize. Instead of spinning my wheels further with this, I was hoping someone familiar with Intel assembly language on this list could shed some light on what is happening here. As can be seen from the comments, it is an ancient line that was lift

Re: [PADS] Building Debian Packages by Example: Packaging libgnupg.pm

2000-08-15 Thread Ethan Pierce
This idea of User groups is great. Does anyone know where I can find a list of such events? I live in the upper valley of the VT/NH border in the states. Thanks for any info! -Ethan >>> Michael Leone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/15/00 07:40PM >>> >Attendees are invited to gather for dinner pri

Re: [PADS] Building Debian Packages by Example: Packaging libgnupg.pm

2000-08-15 Thread Michael Leone
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Re: kernel-image with the same version

2000-08-15 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 07:43:14AM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote: > Hi all, > > I installed recently potato from scratch. Rescue disk installed > kernel 2.2.17 and I rebuild kernel-image with kerne-source 2.2.17 > so the version of kernel was same for both. > > When I installed kernel-image-2.2.1

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Brian May
> "Steve" == Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> Which reminds me, what sort of security is enabled in Steve> debconf? Can any user read the values from the database, or Steve> is it limited to root? Not sure about this (on my system only root can read /var/lib/debc

kernel-image with the same version

2000-08-15 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
Hi all, I installed recently potato from scratch. Rescue disk installed kernel 2.2.17 and I rebuild kernel-image with kerne-source 2.2.17 so the version of kernel was same for both. When I installed kernel-image-2.2.17*.deb which I rebuild then /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old were created but both po

sendmail fails to generate sendmail.cf

2000-08-15 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
Hi all, I installed woody in a partition for experiment. I first installed exim and recently tried to change sendmail and encountered the problem, that is, postinst of sendmail (8.11.0.NonTLS-1) failed to generate sendmail.cf as follows; You may wish to customize your alias database; see the

CD rom image for net install

2000-08-15 Thread Kenneth Scharf
Sometime ago someone here mentioned the existance of a bootable cd rom image that contained only the contents of the boot floppies to allow install over the network on a computer with NO os installed. Anyone know the URL where I can find this image for Potato? Thanks! Ken

Re: isdnutils dilemma

2000-08-15 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:35:15PM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote: > Success! I've managed to convince the upstream people to drop > the CDB version they were using (from the current non-free CDB release) > and use freecdb instead; this was done in the CVS version last night. > Another triumph for f

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Eray Ozkural
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:43:31 Manoj Srivastava wrote: > The question that seems to want to be raised is whether this > is true? Are people really confused more by having extra commands > available, or are they confused by _not_ havingcertain commands > present? I was confused by not havin

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Decklin Foster
Herbert Xu writes: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Generally, maintainer scripts, and programs meant to be run by > > root, run as root. > > > If a program expects to use some tool that only root would use, it > > should expect to be running as root. > > So you do agree with

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Herbert Xu
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 05:55:38PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > >> But I thought one of the main complaints was that /usr/sbin wasn't in the >> PATH. > Generally, maintainer scripts, and programs meant to be run by root, run as > root. > If a program e

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Aug-00, 14:35 (CDT), paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why is it considered "difficult" for individual users adding /sbin and > /usr/sbin to their path if they wish to? Because stating that it is difficult is seen as an valid argument by those who wish sbin would go away. The fact that it is

Re: Deb base ISO images

2000-08-15 Thread Seth Cohn
I've been browsing cdimage. Do we release a base system as a 30/40-ish meg ISO that can network to enable apt handling retrieval of anything else? One would be really useful to me, and I'm sure to others too. The base packages (for floppies etc) aren't always so easy or convienient, and I think an

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Decklin Foster
Manoj Srivastava writes: > Actually, this is a particular irritant. Why does it have to > be done in the postinst? Why can't I have /usr/sbin/inst-realplayer? > So I can download and install at my leaisure, and I do not have to > reinstall realplayer installer to get a new copy? That's n

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Decklin Foster
Steve Bowman writes: > OK, how about moving everything into /bin except what FHS specifically > says should be in /sbin? I very much like this idea. Does anyone have objections? -- There is no TRUTH. There is no REALITY. There is no CONSISTENCY. There are no ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS. I'm very proba

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-15 Thread Buddha Buck
At 01:52 PM 8/15/00 -0700, Steve Bowman wrote: On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:01:49PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > [snip] > > The strange part is that _some_ contrib packages are scattered > across the 3 CDs, but not all of the packages. For example, lyx > is _not_ there. Only 83 packages are

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-15 Thread Steve Bowman
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:01:49PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > [snip] > > The strange part is that _some_ contrib packages are scattered > across the 3 CDs, but not all of the packages. For example, lyx > is _not_ there. Only 83 packages are included: I think you'll find that the ones

Building Debian Packages by Example: Packaging libgnupg.pm

2000-08-15 Thread Chris Fearnley
The Philadelphia Area Debian Society (PADS) (http://www.CJFearnley.com/pads/) Presents Building Debian Packages by Example: Packaging libgnupg-perl When: Wednesday 16 Augus

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread paul
Why is it considered "difficult" for individual users adding /sbin and /usr/sbin to their path if they wish to? I'm sure that most users are competent enough to change their own path, and if they are not, they will be soon after they find that they need to. As a user with no formal computer tra

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Steve Bowman
On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 10:53:06PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > Branden Robinson wrote: > > Fine with me; either interpretation would get traceroute into (/usr)?/bin. > > Same here, but .. > > > On the other hand, fsck seems to be a good example of a program that can't > > do much for the unprivileg

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, If all we are interested in hacving a miny contentous debate, please skip this message, because this pre-supposes a desire to actually compromise and come to a rough consensus. Unfortunately, common sense and a desire to actually co-operate seem to have been sorely lacking of late

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Decklin" == Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Decklin> Brian May writes: >> Just curious, why does realplayer have to do it in the postinst >> script? Decklin> Binaries need to be downloaded from Real and we can't redistribute Decklin> them. The user also has to fill out 'persona

how to setup an apt-getable site

2000-08-15 Thread Dr. Guenter Bechly
Hi, I just have some weird problems to make my uploaded inofficial deb-packages apt-getable. The referring site is http://www.bechly.de/debian/. I had all five Debian packages in a local directory called 'debian' and correctly run dpkg-scanpackages on it. After adjusting my apt sources.list it was

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Branden> On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 03:33:24AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> hesitantly pointing out the bit about optimizing for the >> overwhelmingly common case Branden> There's a difference between *optimizing* for the common

Re: Potato release? (and Mashpotato)

2000-08-15 Thread Sudhakar Chandra
Chris Ball proclaimed: > As I understand it, the CDs will start distribution tomorrow at the first > day of the linux expo in San Jose. (As a nice touch, this coincides with > India's independance day) Debian 2.2 - "We are more secure than Kashmir on India's independance day" ;-) Thaths -- Marg

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Branden Robinson
[Please followup to -devel, since I do not yet subscribe to -boot] On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 10:06:10AM +0200, Bas Zoetekouw wrote: > I personally would like having hardware detection stuff in woody. This is something Progeny is attempting to accomplish for our version of Debian later this year. I

Re: ITP: gkrellweather

2000-08-15 Thread Sudhakar Chandra
Alisdair McDiarmid proclaimed: > I intend to package gkrellweather: > I've already made a preliminary package and put it up at: > http://wasters.org/debian/ You might want to work with the maintainer of gkrellm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on a stratergy for interfacing gkrellweather with gkrellm. Actua

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 05:55:38PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 09:54:28AM -0400, Chad Miller wrote: > >> Hear, hear! It would be a flag day for a few poorly written programs > >> out there, but a reorg is worth it. > > > Th

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 10:53:06PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > On the other hand, fsck seems to be a good example of a program that can't > > do much for the unprivileged user. > > > Anyone can own a block device. > To be frank I'm not distressed by the thought of lots of programs moving from s

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 03:33:24AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > hesitantly pointing out the bit about optimizing for the > overwhelmingly common case There's a difference between *optimizing* for the common case, and preventing the use of other cases without resorting to unofficial packages

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Aug-00, 02:54 (CDT), Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As another example though, look at heimdal-kdc, which needs to ask for > the password, which must be kept as secure as possible. Which reminds me, what sort of security is enabled in debconf? Can any user read the values from the d

proper place for perl modules

2000-08-15 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, as I'm going to install buildd on a large number of machines soon, I thought I'd redo the build scripts to use automake. Right now I'm working on the .pm files, and I'd like to know what would be a good place to put them. My suggestion would be @libdir@/perl5/Debian/Buildd . Simon -- PGP

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
I wrote: > Can anyone tell me how many CDs the official ISOs have for: > > - i386 main + main/non-US ( + contrib ?) > - sources > > Is contrib included as a service on official CDs like it was for > slink? > > I'm having a difficult time deciphering know what vendors are > selling (fro

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-15 Thread Eray Ozkural
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:36:26 Ben Collins wrote: > Official sets are main+contrib, which is 3cd's. This can include non-US or > not (only CD1 is different in that case). Sometimes vendors provide a 4th > binary CD with non-free (may or may not include non-US/non-free). The > source CD's are also 3 i

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-15 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 07:19:27PM +0300, Eray Ozkural wrote: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:16:16 Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me how many CDs the official ISOs have for: > > > > - i386 main + main/non-US ( + contrib ?) > > - sources > > Official sets are main+contrib, which i

Non-US Incoming

2000-08-15 Thread Michael Sobolev
Is it possible to access this for non-developers? Thanks, -- Misha

Re: How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-15 Thread Eray Ozkural
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:16:16 Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > Can anyone tell me how many CDs the official ISOs have for: > > - i386 main + main/non-US ( + contrib ?) > - sources > I have a home made 4 CD set of binary i386 main + contrib + non-free I don't know how many CDs sources take. __ E

How many CDs in potato?

2000-08-15 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Can anyone tell me how many CDs the official ISOs have for: - i386 main + main/non-US ( + contrib ?) - sources Is contrib included as a service on official CDs like it was for slink? The reason I ask is that it's time for me to buy some potato CDs, and I'm having a difficult time deciphering

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On 15 Aug 2000, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Is it really your contention that all MTA's should provide for > this configurability, and cooperate with all other MTA packages out > of the box? I am afraid that all this handshaking is going to entail > a lot of effort, and the resultant gains

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Paul Slootman
On Tue 15 Aug 2000, Decklin Foster wrote: > Brian May writes: > > > Just curious, why does realplayer have to do it in the postinst > > script? > > Binaries need to be downloaded from Real and we can't redistribute > them. The user also has to fill out 'personal information' to be able > to acces

Re: [Possibly Clueless] Deb base ISO images

2000-08-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Chris Ball wrote: > I've been browsing cdimage. Do we release a base system as a 30/40-ish meg > ISO that can network to enable apt handling retrieval of anything else? One > would be really useful to me, and I'm sure to others too. The base packages > (for floppies etc) aren'

Re: [Possibly Clueless] Deb base ISO images

2000-08-15 Thread Frederik Harwath
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 02:26:33PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote: hey Chris, > Hi, to all, and congrats on the potato release. > > I've been browsing cdimage. Do we release a base system as a 30/40-ish meg > ISO that can network to enable apt handling retrieval of anything else? One > would be really u

[Possibly Clueless] Deb base ISO images

2000-08-15 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, to all, and congrats on the potato release. I've been browsing cdimage. Do we release a base system as a 30/40-ish meg ISO that can network to enable apt handling retrieval of anything else? One would be really useful to me, and I'm sure to others too. The base packages (for floppies etc) aren

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Andreas Fuchs
Today, Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The user should see a list of groups (I will call them this because I > think groupings can be more general than just tasks). The UI tool will > allow sorting and searching of the groups and when browsing individual > packages it will be possible

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Decklin Foster
Brian May writes: > Just curious, why does realplayer have to do it in the postinst > script? Binaries need to be downloaded from Real and we can't redistribute them. The user also has to fill out 'personal information' to be able to access the required files. -- There is no TRUTH. There is no

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 09:54:40PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On the other hand, fsck seems to be a good example of a program that can't > do much for the unprivileged user. That's not true. You can have disk image files you might want to check for correctness. In the Hurd, any user can boo

Bug tracking system and testing distribution Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Christoph Martin
Anthony Towns writes: > > * Working out which bugs are really release-critical and fixing >their severity so we know where we're at is overly time >consuming. We have a problem with the bug tracking system as long as we can't really find out to which versions of a package

Re: isdnutils dilemma

2000-08-15 Thread Paul Slootman
On Mon 07 Aug 2000, Ruud de Rooij wrote: > Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm in the process for building the latest version of the isdnutils, > > with the latest upstream sources. However, I've run into a glitch, > > licence-wise. The isdnlog people have decided to use CDB inste

Re: ITP: noffle

2000-08-15 Thread Paul Slootman
FYI: > On Wed 28 Jun 2000, Paul Slootman wrote: > > > The README says: > > > > Noffle is a Usenet news server optimized for few users and low speed > > dial-up > > connections to the Internet. It acts as a server to news clients running > > on > > the local host, but gets its news feed b

Re: RFP: Quadra -- a multiplayer networked smooth tetris game

2000-08-15 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Hi, >> "Edward C. Lang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > MEM> It be nice if someone packages Quadra for Debian. It's a > MEM> tetris clone with single and multiuser modes, playable over > MEM> tcp/ip, featuring smooth graphics, worldwide high score lists, > MEM> servers and what

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Jason" == Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jason> I've done it - had to really.. Two reasons Jason>1) Exim provides a different command line interface than say qmail, Jason> some software simply will not work. Thus we need a mail agent to Jason> move messages outb

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Thus spake Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au): > Once we get to woody, though, there are probably two things that are > particularly worthwhile doing. As per usual, we should probably have a few > weeks discussing "release goals" for woody to see what sort of direction > we want to head (and t

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 02:54:01AM -0400, Jacob Kuntz wrote: > hadn't thought of that. but once again, is there any benefit to that at all? > will the efort required by the maintainers to get this working properly > (including reading bug reports) ever balance against the tiny number of > people

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Herbert Xu
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 09:54:28AM -0400, Chad Miller wrote: >> Hear, hear! It would be a flag day for a few poorly written programs >> out there, but a reorg is worth it. > Then they're VERY poorly written. The proper way (in posix sh) to invoke a

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Brian May
> "Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> Quite simply: This type of thing can not be handled before Joey> unpacking, so it isn't. Debconf allows package to ask Joey> questions in their postinst, this is just *strongly* Joey> discouraged. See the realplayer instal

Re: ITP: Moscow ML - An implementation of standard ML.

2000-08-15 Thread Torsten Landschoff
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 12:32:13AM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > > Don't do that. Moscow ML was my first package when I joined and I had > > to learn that there are license problems. To be precise it is based on > > Caml Light which is not GPLed (read: has further restrictions) therefore > >

Re: RFP: Quadra -- a multiplayer networked smooth tetris game

2000-08-15 Thread Edward C. Lang
Hi, > "MEM" == Marcelo E Magallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MEM> Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist MEM> Hi, MEM> It be nice if someone packages Quadra for Debian. It's a MEM> tetris clone with single and multiuser modes, playable over MEM> tcp/ip, featuring smooth grap

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Anthony Towns wrote: > What I'd like to happen is basically be able to remove the package, > and just have the task automatically act as though that package had > never existed. Not complain in dselect about it, not worry people when > Apt gives you a warning, not do anything

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Drake Diedrich
On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 11:08:59PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > Perhaps these sub-packages would be additional files in the ar file. > Perhaps those files themselves should be in .deb format? Then we have > sub package nesting and meta-data too > > > Of course this is all just off hand... :> >

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Joey Hess
Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > in the one bit you trimmed out, Jason said: Er, no, I did not ignore that, nor did I trim all of it. -- see shy jo

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Jacob Kuntz wrote: > while i can't imagine ever justifying having postfix AND exim installed on > the same machine, your argument holds true for other things. for instance, > it's not uncommon to see a machine that has apache running on 80 for I've done it - had to really..

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
>> Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > Tasks are bettered handled through some kind of non-package means. I've > > long said we need to determine some kind of meta-package scheme (a > > 'package' whose only purpose is to logically group other packages). > > Ho

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Jacob Kuntz
Clint Adams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > No real reason? Only one package can listen in on port 25, and > > Only one package can listen on port 25 of one IP. It is possible to > have multiple packages listening on different ports or different IPs. > hadn't thought of that. but once again,

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Jacob Kuntz
John Goerzen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > There is no real reason that all must listen on port 25. > while i can't imagine ever justifying having postfix AND exim installed on the same machine, your argument holds true for other things. for instance, it's not uncommon to see a machine that has ap

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I do apologize. I was not talkgin about debconf, since I am > not very knowledgeable about it (I have not been keeping up with it, > unfortunately). I do intend a flag day soon to convert all my > packages over. No problem. > Given my ignorance of things

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> If you have some specific complaints with debconf's design, please post Joey> them, but I'm rather confused about what you're talking about right now, Joey> especially since your whole message was very non-specfic and I often Joey> could

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Joey Hess
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > Off hand, I would suspect you'd take an arbitary .deb and carve it into > sub packages internally - this is for effeciency.. Other debs can come > along and clealy install over the sub packages. Ex: > > You have apt_1.1_i386.deb which contains > 'doc' > 'binary' >

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Towns wrote: > Another way of doing might be to generate task packages as we have now > as part of dinstall, and install them into the archive. Another way > would be to not do this as part of dinstall, but on an autobuilder. Well, if you're going to do that, what's stopping you from pulli

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > Drake Diedrich wrote: > >Under the Irix packaging system (quite nice UI except that it has to > > handle Irix packages..) packages exist in a hierarchy, with lowest level > > packages quite fine grained. > > Wow, I quite like this. How could we do it?

Re: What happened to the alpha potato iso images ?

2000-08-15 Thread Joey Hess
Philippe Troin wrote: > There used to be some alpha iso images on cdimage.debian.org (& > mirrors), but they disappeared later on... > > How come ? Phil Hands on debian-cd: > ALPHA Problems: > > tools/boot/potato/post-boot-alpha was not executable, so I'm > rebuilding that now. -- see shy jo

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > Tasks are bettered handled through some kind of non-package means. I've > > long said we need to determine some kind of meta-package scheme (a > > 'package' whose only purpose is to logically group other packages). > > How is int

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-15 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: > Fine with me; either interpretation would get traceroute into (/usr)?/bin. Same here, but .. > On the other hand, fsck seems to be a good example of a program that can't > do much for the unprivileged user. Anyone can own a block device. -- see shy jo

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 10:12:38PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > The problem, as I see it, is that task packages declare a strong > dependency where often none really exists. After all, if it were a real > dependancy, we'd not be having this discussion, since aj/james/whoever's > course of action then

What happened to the alpha potato iso images ?

2000-08-15 Thread Philippe Troin
There used to be some alpha iso images on cdimage.debian.org (& mirrors), but they disappeared later on... How come ? Phil.

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Joey Hess
Drake Diedrich wrote: >Under the Irix packaging system (quite nice UI except that it has to > handle Irix packages..) packages exist in a hierarchy, with lowest level > packages quite fine grained. Wow, I quite like this. How could we do it? -- see shy jo

Re: please help on apt-move weirdness

2000-08-15 Thread zw
On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 03:39:52PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1 ~ $ sudo apt-move localupdate > > /usr/bin/apt-move: line 122: syntax error near unexpected token (' > > See the following: > > http://cgi.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?b

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Drake Diedrich
On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 10:55:59PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > Clearly the desired effect of all meta-packages is to provide the user > with a single node to manipulate and view a group of packages. They should > have special properties in any UI, you should be able to view and > manipulate

Re: linuxworld brain dump (2)

2000-08-15 Thread Tom Lancaster
I'm working for Red Hat, but I think they'll let me bring ice for the poor debian folks :) Only thing is I won't know till tomorrow which day I'm going down. It's probably wednesday, though. I've forgotten how to add new addresses to this list. Can you add me at [EMAIL PROTECTED], if you're not alr

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-15 Thread Joey Hess
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > Tasks are bettered handled through some kind of non-package means. I've > long said we need to determine some kind of meta-package scheme (a > 'package' whose only purpose is to logically group other packages). How is introducing some basterdized form of package (perhaps i

Re: X with wdm capable of selecting host at login

2000-08-15 Thread Philippe Troin
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "Brian" == Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > esoR> # /etc/init.d/wdm stop # X -indirect localhost > > esoR> and I get an X background with a mouse cursor but no wdm > esoR> panel. I, once again, assume that this is the correct >