On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 02:59:17PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I can mostly live with the current apt-proxy, except for the
> fact that it does not seem to want to play nice with debbootstrap:
> debbootstrap just hangs.
Happens here too.. my apt-proxy and debootstrap client
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 11:42:57PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 10:05:30PM -0400, Siqueland-Gresch wrote:
> >
> > Hello and good evening from Rhode Island !
Go Red Sox!
> > I have been using the Freeamp program for years and I am in love with its
> > simplicity. No gimmick
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:48:25 +0200, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Selon Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I'm thankful you're taking the discussion to this list, where
>> probably more people will be able participate as well.
> I hope so.
> [...]
>> > Some improvements have al
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 10:05:30PM -0400, Siqueland-Gresch wrote:
>
> Hello and good evening from Rhode Island !
>
> I do not know whether you can help me. Right up front, I am not a programmer
> at all. No clue. Not a sausage.So if I sound ignorant it is because I am.
> But here it is:
> I ha
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:20:51 +0200, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Debian developers, on the contrary, run unstable and rarely run
> testing, which means that they don't really know about the shape of
> what they release.
The reason I run unstable is because tat is where I upl
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:48:01 +0200, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> However, if unstable would be frozen at the same time, would
>>> development stop? Probably not. I'm pretty sure that several
>>> would start with separate repositories and th
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:56:31 -0300, Otavio Salvador <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
jh> When we used to freeze unstable before a release, one of the
jh> problems was that many updates were blocked by that, and once the
jh> freeze was over, unstable tended to become _very_ unstable, and
jh> took months
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, martin f krafft wrote:
> Here's an idea I just had about apt-proxy/apt-cacher NG. Maybe this
> could be interesting, maybe it's just crap. Your call.
rapt proxy is an actuall http proxy that caches debian packages. It's
written in ruby and since all you have to do to use it
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 09:09:53PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Rob Browning wrote:
> > If I added a new sign/encrypt sub-key to my Debian key, would I be
> > able to use that to sign and upload packages? Would the Debian
>
> Yes, mostly. Some stuff (db.d.o an
On Sat, Oct 23, 2004 at 02:18:40AM +0200, Jos? Luis Tall?n wrote:
> Since i have not received any answer since Oct 5th, i prepare to
> hijack Basket's ITP in 2 days' time barring
> answer from the OP (101 days in preparation)
>
> I believe that Basket is an useful application to have in Debian, an
Title: Message
Hello and good
evening from Rhode Island !
I do not know
whether you can help me. Right up front, I am not a programmer at all. No clue.
Not a sausage.So if I sound ignorant it is because I am. But here it is:
I have been using
the Freeamp program for years and I am in l
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:44:12 +1000, Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> "Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Manoj> Hi, I can mostly live with the current apt-proxy, except for
Manoj> the fact that it does not seem to want to play nice with
Manoj> debbootstrap: debbootst
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Hash: SHA1
Since i have not received any answer since Oct 5th, i prepare to
hijack Basket's ITP in 2 days' time barring
answer from the OP (101 days in preparation)
I believe that Basket is an useful application to have in Debian, and
will take care of maintaining
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Rob Browning wrote:
> If I added a new sign/encrypt sub-key to my Debian key, would I be
> able to use that to sign and upload packages? Would the Debian
Yes, mostly. Some stuff (db.d.o and vote.d.o come to mind, but I am not
sure about that) require you to always sign using
> But, hey, why t.f. do you not just go and fix some bugs instead of
> writing another useless message? Maybe beginning with your own packages,
> or looking at some RC bugs?
To avoid a flame war, you curse at me, flame me, tell me what do and
to boot are hypocritical in the last part (as you too a
If I added a new sign/encrypt sub-key to my Debian key, would I be
able to use that to sign and upload packages? Would the Debian
keyserver and the Debian upload infrastructure be able to handle it?
If not, would I at least be able to add the sub-key for non-Debian
uses without causing trouble w
On 22-Oct-04, 05:25 (CDT), J?r?me Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks to Ubuntu, we now have a good example of what's proven
> to work.
Yes, pay 30 (40?) developers to work fulltime on stabilizing a subset
of Debian. Somehow I don't think that's going to work for the Debian
Project.
Steve
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 03:53:28PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Canonical work because they consist of a small set of people that work
> > together and who don't let egos get in the way. They work because they
> > have a strong leader who provides fi
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 02:48:01PM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > When we used to freeze unstable before a release, one of the problems
> > was that many updates were blocked by that, and once the freeze was
> > over, unstable tended to become _very_ unstabl
Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you saying that technical choices do not contribute to the success
> of Canonical? For instance, deciding to target the distribution at
> most popular architectures only?
Supporting a reduced range of both targets and software makes life
slightly eas
On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 04:04, Brian May wrote:
> * If the above point wasn't bad enough by itself, the apt-proxy binary has
> hard coded:
>
> WGET_CMD="$WGET --timestamping --no-host-directories --tries=5
> --no-directories -P $DL_DESTDIR"
Hmm, seems you are talking about version 1, which has be
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Canonical work because they consist of a small set of people that work
> together and who don't let egos get in the way. They work because they
> have a strong leader who provides firm direction. They work because they
> don't have the flaws Debian has
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or do you really believe that mega-threads help much? Do you really
> think that Canonical/Ubuntu is more successfull because they discuss
> more and let everyone publish its 0.02$ that everybody needs to read? Do
> you really think that the explosion of r
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> And your point is..?
..lost on you, obviously.
> It is our right to hide things. We do not hide problems, we hide
> possible solutions.
This is ludicrous.
> And before you think about writing another message, think about the
> reason for having the d
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> However, if unstable would be frozen at the same time, would
>> development stop? Probably not. I'm pretty sure that several would
>> start with separate repositories and the like to make more recent
>> versions of the software available which they mainta
#include
* D. Starner [Fri, Oct 22 2004, 11:31:10AM]:
> > And before you think about writing another message,
> > think about the reason for having the debian-private ML.
And why do you move parts of my message around?! To place your part of
the "answer" in the beginning, to look more important?
* Otavio Salvador ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041022 22:15]:
> Sure but not we have the experimental distribution to deal with it
> while we are stabilizing the unstable and testing distribution. The
> current problem is experimental is not a full distribution and doesn't
> have buildd systems.
Actually,
|| On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:52:05 -0400
|| Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
jh> Martin Schulze wrote:
>> Logbooks are suited for a lot, but not for discussions. They're more
>> suited for experiences, statements and the like.
>>
>> I'm thankful you're taking the discussion to this list, where
> And before you think about writing another message,
> think about the reason for having the debian-private ML.
The reason why debian-private exists is so people can
talk about sensitive issues without posting them on
the web, especially things involving personal or private
things between people.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 08:22:57PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.10.22.2011 +0200]:
> > This rapidly turns from a plain 404 error script into a somewhat
> > nontrivial Perl-or-Python-or-whatever doument handler.
>
> It's still rather simple.
Martin Schulze wrote:
> Logbooks are suited for a lot, but not for discussions. They're more
> suited for experiences, statements and the like.
>
> I'm thankful you're taking the discussion to this list, where probably
> more people will be able participate as well.
Indeed..
> However, if unsta
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 20041022T134825+0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
>> Before "testing", the RM used to freeze unstable and people were
>> working on fixing bugs. There were pretest cycles with bug horizons,
>> and freezes were shorter.
>
> That's not true (unless yo
Giuseppe Sacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It seems that libpaper package is unmaintaned, but i would like to do an
> NMU using a large patch. The relevant bug report (with patch) is #188899
> and this would also close hylafax bug report #269184.
>
> Does anyone see any problem in applying this
also sprach Matthias Urlichs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.10.22.2011 +0200]:
> >> exec wget -O - $MIRROR/$RPATH | tee $LPATH
> >
> Don't forget
> mkdir -p "$(dirname "$LPATH")"
Why the extra two processes?
mkdir -p ${LPATH%/*}
> The above pipe needs either bash 3 or a subshell, if you want to
>
#include
* Romain Francoise [Fri, Oct 22 2004, 06:04:12PM]:
> > Is the entire world on crack and I just failed to notice until now?
>
> Don't worry, we're preparing an internal General Resolution to address
> this crack problem, but you're not supposed to know about it. This is
> how we fix pro
Hi, Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
> What can be done, regarding this package, and also every other packages
> which could be in this situation?
At the moment? Not much. It's a low-priority problem.
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Hi, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.10.20.1155 +0200]:
>> #!/bin/sh -e
>>
>> echo 200 OK
>> echo Content-type: application/x-debian-package
>> echo
>>
>> exec wget -O - $MIRROR/$RPATH | tee $LPATH
>
Don't forget
mkdir -p "$(dirname "$LPATH")"
Th
On 20041022T134825+0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Before "testing", the RM used to freeze unstable and people were
> working on fixing bugs. There were pretest cycles with bug horizons,
> and freezes were shorter.
That's not true (unless you are talking about something that was ceased
several years
Hi, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Because they have set up and maintain the buildd network.
Other people have set up, and are maintaining, their very own buildd
networks, and thus might be assumed to be qualified to add t-s support
and/or whatever else is missing.
Me, for example. (I think I've menti
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 10:07:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> "Today will not be a good day. You will receive many snarky responses to
> your message to debian-devel complaining about your missing horoscope.
> More bad news to follow in other messages".
Please, don't not make the spam problem wo
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 06:13:46PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Because they have set up and maintain the buildd network.
Yes, nice, well done, thank them for their initial work, but it seems as if
it's up for others now to take over that job, because they obviously failing
continuously doing i
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 22 octobre 2004 à 11:26 +0200, Martin Schulze a écrit :
> > It still (as written on -project one or two weeks ago) lacks the
> > infrastructure as in a working buildd network that processes the
> > target ``testing-security''. This is something that two people
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Jerome, please, you could have asked me. I prepare an internal GR draft
>> for exactly this issue, but it is to be made public on the day of the
>> release, and better not before. We should concentrate on making the
>> Sarge release ready, NOW. Do not
Stottalex writes:
> Did not receive my daily horoscope for Friday 22 Oct 04 only the summary
> which does not give access to extended horoscope for that day.
Here you go:
"Today will not be a good day. You will receive many snarky responses to
your message to debian-devel complaining about your
Hi folks
raptor is currently crippled to one cpu.
It uses nfs to import most of the storage and was regulary hit by the
problem described in #275673.
Bastian
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also sprach Robert Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.10.22.0019 +0200]:
> store_avg_object_size should have no impact on what is and is not
> cached.
Ah, interesting. I guess my testing results were influence by my
expectations then.
Thanks for your tips!
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Hi Hamish,
Il ven, 2004-10-22 alle 15:39, Hamish Moffatt ha scritto:
[...]
> Rather than NMU just for this bug, you could try to contact the
> maintainer again and adopt the package if unsuccessful, or with his
> consent. Echelon says Stephen Zander was last seen in early August.
Thanks for your
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 04:31:52AM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> I would suggest a name like kde-$FOO-style to be used (e.g.,
> kde-baghira-style) for packages that provide a widget style for
> QT/KDE, and include kwin decoration (if they exist) in the same
> package. (*)
For the sake of c
On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 07:27:32PM +0200, Giuseppe Sacco wrote:
> It seems that libpaper package is unmaintaned, but i would like to do an
> NMU using a large patch. The relevant bug report (with patch) is #188899
> and this would also close hylafax bug report #269184.
>
> Does anyone see any prob
Did not receive my daily horoscope for Friday 22 Oct 04 only the summary which does not give access to extended horoscope for that day.
Thank you for your service
Le vendredi 22 octobre 2004 Ã 11:26 +0200, Martin Schulze a Ãcrit :
> It still (as written on -project one or two weeks ago) lacks the
> infrastructure as in a working buildd network that processes the
> target ``testing-security''. This is something that two people in
> Debian can set up. (This
Selon Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm thankful you're taking the discussion to this list, where probably
> more people will be able participate as well.
I hope so.
[...]
> > Some improvements have already been proposed by Eduard Bloch and
> > Adrian Bunk: freezing unstable while keep
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jerome, please, you could have asked me. I prepare an internal GR draft
> for exactly this issue, but it is to be made public on the day of the
> release, and better not before. We should concentrate on making the
> Sarge release ready, NOW. Do not start a
Selon Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> #include
> * Jérôme Marant [Fri, Oct 22 2004, 10:20:51AM]:
>
> > Some improvements have already been proposed by Eduard Bloch and
> > Adrian Bunk: freezing unstable while keeping testing.
>
> Jerome, please, you could have asked me. I prepare an internal
* Andreas Barth:
> There are no autobuilders for testing-security.
So what's missing at this stage? Machines? An active local system
administrator? Or someone who is trusted enough to integrate the
buildds into the security build infrastructure?
If it's machines or the local system administra
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* Jérôme Marant [Fri, Oct 22 2004, 10:20:51AM]:
> Some improvements have already been proposed by Eduard Bloch and
> Adrian Bunk: freezing unstable while keeping testing.
Jerome, please, you could have asked me. I prepare an internal GR draft
for exactly this issue, but it is to be made
Joey writes:
>Jan Niehusmann wrote:
>> Question to the security team: What's holding back security support for
>> sarge? (This is not a complaint - I'm just curious)
>
>It still (as written on -project one or two weeks ago) lacks the
>infrastructure as in a working buildd network that processes the
Jérôme Marant wrote:
> It's too bad that interesting discussions take place in blogs rather
> than in Debian mailing lists, especially for those who don't blog
> but would like to participate.
Logbooks are suited for a lot, but not for discussions. They're more
suited for experiences, statements
Jan Niehusmann wrote:
> Question to the security team: What's holding back security support for
> sarge? (This is not a complaint - I'm just curious)
It still (as written on -project one or two weeks ago) lacks the
infrastructure as in a working buildd network that processes the
target ``testing-s
* Jan Niehusmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [041022 11:10]:
> Question to the security team: What's holding back security support for
> sarge? (This is not a complaint - I'm just curious)
There are no autobuilders for testing-security. See the latest release
update http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-an
[Jan Niehusmann]
> Question to the security team: What's holding back security support
> for sarge? (This is not a complaint - I'm just curious)
Debian-edu is trying to form a separate security team for
debian/testing, working on keeping the testing distribution secure in
paralell with the debian/
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 10:20:51AM +0200, Jérôme Marant wrote:
> Debian developers, on the contrary, run unstable and rarely run
> testing, which means that they don't really know about the shape
> of what they release.
I would immediately upgrade at least one, probably more, woody machines
to sar
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Giuseppe Sacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> It seems that libpaper package is unmaintaned, but i would like to do an
>> NMU using a large patch. The relevant bug report (with patch) is #188899
>> and this would also close hylafax bug report #269184.
>
Hi,
It's too bad that interesting discussions take place in blogs rather
than in Debian mailing lists, especially for those who don't blog
but would like to participate.
Scott James Remnant said something interesting about Ubuntu release
management: Ubuntu people run the distribution that gets r
#include
* Adeodato Simó [Fri, Oct 22 2004, 04:40:52AM]:
> > Further, I wish there could be pre-caching. Means: if a file was
> > downloaded and that file was mentioned in packages-file A and after the
> > next update, A has a newer version of this package than the package
> > could be downloaded.
> "Petter" == Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Petter> At least it sounds like a good idea to have such option.
Petter> The work is done in the init.d-script. I'm sure patches
Petter> to make it optional to load kernel modules at boot time
Petter> are welcome. :
On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 02:21:17PM +1000, Jonathan Oxer wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 13:43 +1000, Paul Hampson wrote:
>
> > Is there anything such a system would want to fetch from a Debian
> > mirror that doesn't show up in Packages.gz or Sources.gz?
> Yes, lots of things as I found out the ha
> "martin" == martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
martin> also sprach Jonathan Oxer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
martin> [2004.10.21.0617 +0200]:
>> So it's necessary to keep fetching the Packages files within
>> their expiry time or the cache gets nuked.
martin> Why delete
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> "Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Manoj> Hi, I can mostly live with the current apt-proxy, except
Manoj> for the fact that it does not seem to want to play nice
Manoj> with debbootstrap: debbootstrap just hangs.
Strange. I have never had any problems with d
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