Re: Uploading packages built against testing?

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hendrik Sattler wrote: Am Montag, 29. Mai 2006 21:16 schrieb Thomas Viehmann: Hendrik Sattler wrote: No, but you could manually set all stuff in Depends to the needed versions. That would also work for the buildds, I guess. And break at the next opportunity (binNMU, recompile, update in a

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi! You wrote: * videogen (easy pickings) If no one else is interested, I'd like to take this one. It could take me a few weeks to find time to upload though, as Real Life is getting in the way atm. -- Kind regards, ++

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Chris Boot
On 29 May 2006, at 23:53, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Em Seg, 2006-05-29 às 22:08 +0100, Chris Boot escreveu: SLIND sounds interesting indeed, I've been using a buildroot-built system for mine so it was difficult getting dpkg built in the first place, but I've got it mostly all going. All the

Re: HOWTO rebuild the archive

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 09:47:53PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Or just dump all packages into the buildds queue file (as That would be ~buildd/build/REDO package_version, one per line) and start it. That would be package_version

Re: Uploading packages built against testing?

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Thomas Viehmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hendrik Sattler wrote: Am Montag, 29. Mai 2006 21:16 schrieb Thomas Viehmann: Hendrik Sattler wrote: No, but you could manually set all stuff in Depends to the needed versions. That would also work for the buildds, I guess. And break at the next

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Chris Boot
On 30 May 2006, at 08:53, Alexander Shishkin wrote: On 5/30/06, Chris Boot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 May 2006, at 23:53, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Yes, I can see that could be handy. I'm guessing SLIND is based on woody? No, it is based on testing/unstable. Host part is mostly sarge (it was

Re: Uploading packages built against testing?

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:00:21AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: binNMU recompilation: won't break if the app really works with this older version and the lib must be ABI-compatible anyway. ... and this one is plainly wrong. binNMUs for rebuild against dependency libs which have

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Andreas Fester schrieb: I create a new package with the new name which will get uploaded to the NEW queue. This package replaces the old package and conflicts with the old package: Replaces: oldPackage Conflicts: oldPackage ( firstVersionOfNewPackage) IIRC the correct way to do that is

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, * NTP server (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) I'll take it. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Chris Boot
On 30 May 2006, at 09:12, Alexander Shishkin wrote: On 5/30/06, Chris Boot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make a list of everything you have installed and rebuild each package one-by-one until you've covered everything. I can't see where the problem is. In the real world (tm) building things

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Alexander Shishkin
On 5/30/06, Chris Boot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 May 2006, at 23:53, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Yes, I can see that could be handy. I'm guessing SLIND is based on woody? No, it is based on testing/unstable. Host part is mostly sarge (it was in the 0.1 prerelease, now most of it is sid). Well

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Wartan Hachaturow
On 5/30/06, Daniel Ruoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I do think it would be really nice is to have a contrib-builds SLIND repository (like backports do). This would make things easier for sharing this effort. Will be there Real Soon Now (tm). Hardware is already at the desk, I just need to

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Alexander Shishkin
On 5/30/06, Chris Boot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make a list of everything you have installed and rebuild each package one-by-one until you've covered everything. I can't see where the problem is. In the real world (tm) building things by hand is not acceptable because of a) complicated

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:23:44AM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: Andreas Fester schrieb: I create a new package with the new name which will get uploaded to the NEW queue. This package replaces the old package and conflicts with the old package: Replaces: oldPackage Conflicts: oldPackage (

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Zak B. Elep
On 5/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry (and not happy with myself) that I've been procrastinating about this for too long. This decision has not been easy. However, I need to focus more on (a) work that actually feeds my kids, and (b) time that is *not* spent hacking.

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Christoph Haas
Morning... Matthias, your From: line appears to be missing. Or my MUA is b0rked. On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 09:29:34PM +0200, wrote: * NTP server (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) I'd take my chance on this

Re: Debian Mini-distro: how to recompile base-system and remove Java?

2006-05-30 Thread Alexander Shishkin
On 5/30/06, Chris Boot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, but I'm just talking about getting a basic environment set up from scratch. I realise slind removes the need for that now, but... I'm not insisting on you using slind, I just want to convince people to contribute to it. :) -- I am

Re: Shouldn't we have more ftp masters ?

2006-05-30 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Benjamin Seidenberg] FYI: 12:33 Ganneff and for all those impatient waiting for NEW: i will clear that in my jetlag time, in those nights i cant sleep (ie 1st - 2nd june, 2- 3) :) Sounds good, but do not really addresses the fundamental problem here, which

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Steve Langasek schrieb: Package: oldpkg Depends: newpkg Description: transitional dummy package Package: newpkg Replaces: oldpkg Conflicts: oldpkg Description: ... *NO* *NO* *NO* *NO* *NO*. Look closely at the package relationships you've specified. Why would you upload a package

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, Christoph Haas schrieb: * NTP server (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) I'd take my chance on this one. There is a large number of bugs open and I believe that this package is very important. Still I'd

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:25:58AM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: Christoph Haas schrieb: * NTP server (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) I'd take my chance on this one. There is a large number of bugs open

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:22:51 +0200 Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Steve Langasek schrieb: Package: oldpkg Depends: newpkg Description: transitional dummy package Package: newpkg Replaces: oldpkg Conflicts: oldpkg Description: ... *NO* *NO* *NO* *NO* *NO*. Look

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Andreas Fester schrieb: I create a new package with the new name which will get uploaded to the NEW queue. This package replaces the old package and conflicts with the old package: Replaces: oldPackage Conflicts: oldPackage (

Re: libdb transition policy?

2006-05-30 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! Sorry for late response. * Nikita V. Youshchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-24 12:10]: However, contrary to what the NM templates suggest, symbol versioning is not a cure-all for all ABI incompatibilities. If libetpan returns a DB_ENV * in its API, you need to port[1] all its

Re: Bug#367853: libdb transition policy?

2006-05-30 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
Have fun with updating the library, it won't affect depending packages. :) Some times are that easy to solve, you know? Ok, will upload today :) pgpHAIvddyz9K.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see my point. In the paragraph above, marked , which was written by you, you speak of deception and forgery. Nothing in the reports of the recent incident involving Martin suggests any deception and

Re: Bug#367853: libdb transition policy?

2006-05-30 Thread DINH Viêt Hoà
On 30 May 2006, at 12:50, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Hi! Sorry for late response. * Nikita V. Youshchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-24 12:10]: However, contrary to what the NM templates suggest, symbol versioning is not a cure-all for all ABI incompatibilities. If libetpan returns a

Re: Please revoke your signatures from MartinKraff's keys

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 27 May 2006, Lionel Elie Mamane verbalised: On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 05:19:21PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 27 May 2006, Lionel Elie Mamane spake thusly: On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 02:04:31PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 27 May 2006, Lionel Elie Mamane stated: The US constitution

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see my point. In the paragraph above, marked , which was written by you, you speak of deception and forgery. Nothing in the

Re: Shouldn't we have more ftp masters ?

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:04:29AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Benjamin Seidenberg] FYI: 12:33 Ganneff and for all those impatient waiting for NEW: i will clear that in my jetlag time, in those nights i cant sleep (ie 1st - 2nd june, 2- 3) :)

Re: HOWTO rebuild the archive

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:57:04AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether doing it this way is a good idea, though, I don't know. Buildd surely wasn't designed for this. It is much simpler than to set up wanna-build and a local archive but you

Re: bits from the release team: release goals, python, X.org, amd64, timeline

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:05:26PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Timeline Now, let's please take a more detailed look at the time line: Thu 15 Jun 06: last chance to switch to gcc 4.1, python 2.4 review architectures one more time last chance to

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst spake thusly: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see my point. In the paragraph above, marked , which was written by you, you speak of

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:49:34AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst spake thusly: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see my point.

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Frank Küster
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst spake thusly: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see my point. In the paragraph above,

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Otavio Salvador
Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Christoph Haas schrieb: * NTP server (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) I'd take my chance on this one. There is a large number of bugs open and I believe that

Re: Shouldn't we have more ftp masters ?

2006-05-30 Thread Otavio Salvador
Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:04:29AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Benjamin Seidenberg] FYI: 12:33 Ganneff and for all those impatient waiting for NEW: i will clear that in my jetlag time, in those nights i

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:09:07AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: Simon Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Christoph Haas schrieb: * NTP server (some work required; currently, not-really-maintained by the Debian NTP Team, which consists of zero active members) I'd take my

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst stated: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 07:49:34AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst spake thusly: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: Perhaps my just-posted message

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 08:50:41AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst stated: [...] However, trusted processes do not lie with people who are trying to convince you of their identity. If you trust anyone to tell the truth about their identity, which is what your

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Aurelien Jarno a écrit : Hi all, As gcc-4.1 may be the default compiler soon (I hope so), I have tried to build the glibc with it. Currently it builds and works on the following architectures: amd64, hppa, i386, mips, mipsel, sparc The packages are available [1], but a but outdated. It

Re: Shouldn't we have more ftp masters ?

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Banck
People, please move this thread over to -project On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 10:13:37AM -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 11:04:29AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Benjamin Seidenberg] FYI: 12:33 Ganneff and for all those

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 04:31:33PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: I haven't done a build on m68k yet. I tried it on akire, but was interrupted by real world issues. When you could give a more detailed HowTo (sbuild, dpkg-buildpackage, whatever) I would retry... -- Ciao...//

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 30 May 2006, Frank Küster told this: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst spake thusly: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:28:32AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On 28 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell stated: Perhaps my just-posted message has too many words to see

Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, This is to forestall those of you who seem to be be arguing that the debconf6 KSP crack was a red team attack -- here is how that attack differed from a legitimate red team effort (I have been a member of red teams before, and have lead a number of red team attacks in my time).

Re: Re: Re: screenshot with package description

2006-05-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hie Gonéri and *, Am 2006-05-19 12:26:23, schrieb Gonéri Le Bouder: However, another solution would be just place these JPGs and PNGs flat on the server and have apt just download them and save them Yes, a public repository where people download the picture when they need it. This was my

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Ingo Juergensmann a écrit : On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 04:31:33PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: I haven't done a build on m68k yet. I tried it on akire, but was interrupted by real world issues. When you could give a more detailed HowTo (sbuild, dpkg-buildpackage, whatever) I would retry...

Bug#369543: ITP: libdata-dump-perl -- Pretty printing of data structures

2006-05-30 Thread Krzysztof Krzyzaniak (eloy)
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Krzysztof Krzyzaniak (eloy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: libdata-dump-perl Version : 1.06 Upstream Author : Gisle Aas [EMAIL PROTECTED] * URL : http://mirrors.kernel.org/cpan/modules/by-module/Data/Data-Dump-1.06.tar.gz *

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Banck
Manoj, On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:52:11AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: This is to forestall those of you who seem to be be arguing that the debconf6 KSP crack was a red team attack -- here is how that attack differed from a legitimate red team effort (I have been a member of red

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Frank Küster
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Martin Krafft showed you was, How do I know that person actually was Martin Krafft? This is getting ridiculuous. With this I tend to agree. Your credulity is unbelievable. If what I've read about the incident is correct, the same

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
Christoph Haas wrote: Darcs looks like a nice competitor but has some issues regarding checking in changes automatically (might as well be my ignorance but it sounds like I need weird scripts and a .procmailrc to merge changes automatically). You don't *need* them; you can choose to do that,

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 04:44:49PM +0200, Aurelien Jarno wrote: I tried it on akire, but was interrupted by real world issues. When you could give a more detailed HowTo (sbuild, dpkg-buildpackage, whatever) I would retry... Very easy: dget

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really think either you are deliberately being obtuse, or nothing I can say will get this through to you. I fail to see how one can assert that there was no forgery going on -- do you automatically assume that if a shiney laminated

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I claim to be president George Clooney, and show you a document that proves I am such, and I earnestly claim it was not forged, but Bubba looked at all kinds of documentation that says I am such a person, you would proclaim from the

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess You can't read. I have never stated that I know it is a forgery: I can't since I do not have that data. I have stated I have absolutely no trust path to the identity proclaimed, so I am going to treat it as though it were; since

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is to forestall those of you who seem to be be arguing that the debconf6 KSP crack was a red team attack -- here is how that attack differed from a legitimate red team effort (I have been a member of red teams before, and have lead a

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread gregor herrmann
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 09:29:34PM +0200, wrote: * libdigest-hmac-perl, libdigest-sha1-perl, libdigest-md2-perl, libdigest-perl, libio-interface-perl, libio-socket-multicast-perl, libnet-xwhois-perl, libvideo-capture-v4l-perl (easy pickings; check for new Upstream) I guess these

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Hubert Chan
On Mon, 29 May 2006 21:29:34 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Unknown) said: * ufraw (need to package new Upstream; easy) I can take this if nobody else wants it. -- Hubert Chan - email Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.uhoreg.ca/ PGP/GnuPG key: 1024D/124B61FA (Key available at

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 30 May 2006, Frank Küster verbalised: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Martin Krafft showed you was, How do I know that person actually was Martin Krafft? This is getting ridiculuous. With this I tend to agree. Your credulity is unbelievable. If what I've read about

Re: [Debconf-discuss] list of valid documents for KSPs

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Based on this thread, I would think that Stave Langasek was dead on: any transitive trust in Debian's keyring is non-existenet. So, using the signed key as a mesure of trust in the identity of a NM candidate by the DAMS is probably

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread gregor herrmann
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:46:30AM -0700, Zak B. Elep wrote: * libdigest-hmac-perl, libdigest-sha1-perl, libdigest-md2-perl, libdigest-perl, libio-interface-perl, libio-socket-multicast-perl, libnet-xwhois-perl, libvideo-capture-v4l-perl I'd like to take these up. Oops, I just saw your

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 09:28:19AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is to forestall those of you who seem to be be arguing that the debconf6 KSP crack was a red team attack -- here is how that attack differed from a legitimate red

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Claiming that what Martin did was good since he was showing something useful for our community is equivalent to saying it was a red team attack. Nobody used that term explicitly probably because they are unfamiliar with it. I know what

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Joe Smith
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Claiming that what Martin did was good since he was showing something useful for our community is equivalent to saying it was a red team attack. Nobody used that term explicitly probably because they

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Christoph Haas wrote: I'm currently looking into several systems. Usually I use Subversion and svn-buildpackage but due to a lot of trouble with svn-buildpackage I have moved away from repositories for my Debian packages lately. Out of curiousity, what problems have you encountered with

Invitation From Pingo.com

2006-05-30 Thread Phone Card Partnership
Dear Debian Devel, I’m personally emailing you today to discuss a partnership. I noticed that your web site debian.org has linked to Tel3. Pingo is a virtual VoIP calling card service that helps the world save on there long distance and international calls. I'm sending you this invitation

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Joe Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, if KSPs are not changed, then the Web of trust becomes effectively worthless. Manoj should be far more concerned about that, then about Martin's demonstration of this. Personally, I'm especially worried about the developers who were taken in by the

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.30.1920 +0200]: I do agree with Manoj that this was *not* a legitimate experiment (i.e. not a red team test) and that Martin *did* abuse our [0] trust [1] I acknowledge this and would like to apologise to everyone. My

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Thomas Bushnell BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.30.2002 +0200]: Personally, I'm especially worried about the developers who were taken in by the Transnational Republic ID. So, can we have a fess up time now? Manoj, did you sign the key on this basis? He did not. -- Please do not

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Andreas Metzler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: On (29/05/06 21:29), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] * gnutls, gcrypt, libtasn1, libksba (security-critical, some work required, having a team for these packages would

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:45:10PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Christoph Haas wrote: I'm currently looking into several systems. Usually I use Subversion and svn-buildpackage but due to a lot of trouble with svn-buildpackage I have moved away from repositories for my Debian packages

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 10:40, Joe Smith wrote: But Martin decided to publish this experiment. Is this really a bad thing? He proved that KSP are bad for the web of trust. Isn't what Martin and this thread actually demonstrated is that signing keys based on IDs you cannot reasonably

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.05.30.2120 +0200]: Even the guy at 7-Eleven has the big book of north american ID cards with pictures and descriptions of what makes a real one for when they encounter an ID that they've never seen before. Surely Debian can do as well as the

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Andreas Fester
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for all your answers, my package successfully transformed to its new name with apt-get dist-upgrade in my test environment :-) One last question: would it be safe to say Architecture: all in the dummy transition package since it does not

Re: Renaming a package

2006-05-30 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Andreas Fester [Tue, 30 May 2006 21:42:27 +0200]: One last question: would it be safe to say Architecture: all in the dummy transition package since it does not contain any architecture specific files anymore, or is it better to leave it as it is with Architecture: any to create

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:20:14PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Even the guy at 7-Eleven has the big book of north american ID cards with pictures and descriptions of what makes a real one for when they encounter an ID that they've never seen before. Surely Debian can do as well as the guy

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 08:48:14PM +0200, I (Christoph Haas) wrote: * svn-inject Injecting new packages through svn-inject fails here. I get errors about the MKCOL method not being allowed on the remote WebDAV server. Perhaps it's a problem that the Apache runs on Sarge while I'm developing

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Falk Hueffner
Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On arm, ia64 and alpha the glibc fails to build with gcc-4.1. On Alpha the problem is: {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:341: Error: macro requires $at register while noat in effect {standard input}:374: Error: macro requires $at

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-30 22:19]: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Michael Fisher
Is it posible to have a minimum size image with a WM that can stay below 125MB? This would be a great size for USB versions and versions running under Qemu or VMWare. Just a thought. desNotes On 5/30/06, Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Falk Hueffner a écrit : Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On arm, ia64 and alpha the glibc fails to build with gcc-4.1. On Alpha the problem is: {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:341: Error: macro requires $at register while noat in effect {standard input}:374:

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Török Edvin
On 5/30/06, Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
wrote: * gnulib (easy pickings; need to package new Upstream from CVS, every month or so) I'll take that. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Falk Hueffner
Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Falk Hueffner a écrit : Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On arm, ia64 and alpha the glibc fails to build with gcc-4.1. On Alpha the problem is: {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:341: Error: macro requires $at register

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 13:02, Adam Borowski wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:20:14PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Even the guy at 7-Eleven has the big book of north american ID cards with pictures and descriptions of what makes a real one for when they encounter an ID that they've never seen

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
Christoph Haas wrote: Yes, of course. Besides some minor things I don't quite like about Subversion (merging looks like black magic for me and getting out old revisions of a file means typing the full URL for no reason) these are the actual problems I encountered with svn-buildpackage: *

Re: bits from the release team: release goals, python, X.org, amd64, timeline

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:50:16PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 12:05:26PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: Timeline Now, let's please take a more detailed look at the time line: Thu 15 Jun 06: last chance to switch to gcc 4.1, python 2.4

Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
[ crosspost to live, -devel and -edu; replies please to -devel ] Hi all, at the moment, we have two types of Live CD images: * the small one which contains only packages of standard priority, * and three larger ones, each of which contains one of the common desktop-environments on it

Re: Real Life hits: need to give up packages for adoption

2006-05-30 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 09:29:34PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: * gnulib (easy pickings; need to package new Upstream from CVS, every month or so) I ported quite a lot of C software between IRIX/SunOS/AIX/Linux, so I'll take it. * tcng (some clean-up required) I have some idea about

Re: glibc built with gcc-4.1 (update)

2006-05-30 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Falk Hueffner wrote: Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Falk Hueffner a écrit : Aurelien Jarno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On arm, ia64 and alpha the glibc fails to build with gcc-4.1. On Alpha the problem is: {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:341: Error:

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Linas Žvirblis
Paul Johnson wrote: See, if you visit a bazaar, I bet a helpful guy with a Russian accent can sell you a perfectly valid passport for less than $50. Several years ago, a friend of mine actually asked someone at the Stadion 10-lecia in Warsaw, and was led to a guy with a number of blank

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Paul Johnson said: On Tuesday 30 May 2006 13:02, Adam Borowski wrote: See, if you visit a bazaar, I bet a helpful guy with a Russian accent can sell you a perfectly valid passport for less than $50. Several years ago, a friend of mine actually asked someone at

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
Nico Golde wrote: Would be useful if you could provide the package lists for the two images so we can see whats already included and send you patches. The small one contains the standard system only, means, packages which have Priority: standard and nothing more. That's about 80MB (the image

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:57:18PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 30 May 2006 13:02, Adam Borowski wrote: See, if you visit a bazaar, I bet a helpful guy with a Russian accent can sell you a perfectly valid passport for less than $50. Several years ago, a friend of mine actually

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
Michael Fisher wrote: Is it posible to have a minimum size image with a WM that can stay below 125MB? This would be a great size for USB versions and versions running under Qemu or VMWare. Just a thought. Yes, but those mini-images are separate thing we do anyway (or provide an easy possiblity

Bug#369600: ITP: evolution-jescs -- Evolution Connector for Sun Java Enterprise System Calendar Server (SJESCS)

2006-05-30 Thread Heikki Henriksen
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Heikki Henriksen [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Package name: evolution-jescs Version : 2.6.2 Upstream Author : Several Authors * URL : http://www.go-evolution.org/Evolution_JESCS * License : GPL Programming Lang: C Description

Re: Making init scripts use dash

2006-05-30 Thread Steve Greenland
On 29-May-06, 03:57 (CDT), Ralf Wildenhues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, libtool scripts are a bit more complex. Unrelated though, Libtool records the shell and its features; if you change /bin/sh from bash to dash, the installed /usr/bin/libtool will have its $echo setting wrong, and break

Re: Package Selection for Debian Live

2006-05-30 Thread Daniel Baumann
Eric Cooper wrote: I suggest that you provide the same packages that Knoppix does (as long as they're free), since Knoppix has been out there with a real user community for several years now. No need to reinvent the wheel. True, but knoppix is i386/amd64 only. Debian Live works on i386/amd64

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 14:26, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 01:57:18PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 30 May 2006 13:02, Adam Borowski wrote: See, if you visit a bazaar, I bet a helpful guy with a Russian accent can sell you a perfectly valid passport for less than

Re: Red team attacks vs. cracking

2006-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 14:15, Linas Žvirblis wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: See, if you visit a bazaar, I bet a helpful guy with a Russian accent can sell you a perfectly valid passport for less than $50. Several years ago, a friend of mine actually asked someone at the Stadion 10-lecia in

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