On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Philip Hands wrote:
for all future time. People make mistakes choosing version numbers,
and we have a mechanism for recovering these mistakes. People being
``inventive'' so they can maintain the aesthetic beauty of a control
file that is rarely seen by anyone
Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In what formats are those images provided?
Single ISO image per CD.
It would be nice to download the image in parts including md5sums and
to have some additional error correction chunks like ras provides.
For the final release, this is probably worth the effort,
When properly used epochs do not hang around forever. Consider the
situation where epochs are supposed to be used:
Upstream Debian
1.0 1.0
2.0 2.0
3.0 3.0
2.01:2.0
3.01:3.0
4.0
The latest version of the Debian web pages are complete.
They are being mirrored to www.debian.org as I write this.
They look great :-)
You've gone back to calling www.uk ``England'' though...
I still prefer ``Britain'' to ``United Kingdom'', but either will do.
Cheers, Phil.
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Previously Brederlow wrote:
In what formats are those images provided?
It would be nice to download the image in parts including md5sums and
to have some additional error
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Philip Hands wrote:
until 2.1.0 comes out, so that we wouldn't need to use a ``dirty,
evil epoch''.
No one has said anything about dirt or evil with respect to epochs.
Sorry, I was being facetious, and I forgot the ;-)
Policy says not to use them
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The problem with rsync at the moment is that if the transfer is
interrupted, it throws away the partial image --- Andrew Tridgell said
he'd fix this though.
...
If you use wget, and find that the md5sum that results is wrong, you
should be able
Hi,
I'll be burning some copies of the 2.0-beta images today.
If anyone in the UK wants a copy, mail me. (I expect I'll do them for a fiver
each, depending upon the numbers involved).
If anyone that's going to the UKUUG Event in Manchester this weekend wants a
copy, mail me, and I'll bring
Hi,
Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dale Epochs are not, were never, intended to be used for this
Dale purpose. They are only for dealing with upstream renumbering
Dale that would cause conflicts.
I thought this was all about the upstream releasing
pre-releases
Well, it made _me_ laugh :-)
I wonder if an epoch would have caused the same problem...
I've watched this discussion. I have formed the opinion that using an epoch
in this case was not the right way to do it. The r will serve for the
moment, and future versions should be handled
Hi,
Just wondering how many Debianites are signed up to attend the UK Unix User
Group's Linux Developers Event this weekend (27-28 June) in Manchester, UK.
BTW Anyone that is attending ought to bring a copy of their PGP public key,
and proof of ID so we can do some key signing can happen.
Here's another reason using the epoch for this situation is bad, if you
continue the process you get something like:
2.0.6
2.0.7pre1
1:2.0.7
1:2.0.8pre1
2:2.0.8
2:2.0.9pre1
3:2.0.10
3:2.0.10pre1
4:2.0.11
...
No, that's not what happens at all. It's more like this:
2.0.6-1
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Dale Scheetz writes:
In the mean time, unless anyone can object within the next several
hours, I will construct and upload a new release of glibc with the
version number: 2.0.7r-1
I would advise for 2.0.7final instead. IMHO 2.0.7r looks much like an
additional
I presume that there would be no question of this discussion even starting
if libc6 had already got an epoch of 1:
It's epoch would just have been bumped up to 2: and nobody would have noticed
the difference.
Since there is an implicit epoch of 0: on the front of all non-epoch versions,
we are
will fix then some important stuff on the cdrom
(easier access to the tools like rawrite etc.).
andreas
I Just produced some new images, the main difference being that the binary
disks have main -- hamm links in debian/hamm, and they have the latest
pakages on them, as of a couple of hours
is rsync realy so good ?
The only real problem with it for this use, is that if the link dies
completely, I think rsync discards the partial image.
Other than that, it is muck more likely to result in a bit-for-bit copy of the
original than ftp, and if you've got the space for two copies of
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Previously Philip Hands wrote:
I Just produced some new images, the main difference being that the
binary disks have main -- hamm links in debian/hamm, and they have
the latest pakages on them, as of a couple of hours ago.
Darn, I should have
Hi,
It struck me as important that the autoup stuff go on the CDROM image, so I've
added it to the root directory in a directory called autoup.
This contains the 8MB tarball, as well as the script and readme etc.
so we shouldn't have problems with version skew between autoup.sh and
the main
On Sat, Jun 20, 1998 at 02:42:03AM +, Michael Shields wrote:
: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
: G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:Does anyone have hamm CD's to sell yet ? I have a friend in Paris
: who wants to install on a laptop. I'd hate to see him go RH. I think he
:
You might want to look at the Linux Router Project:
http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/
which is building a Debian-ish single floppy router.
Also, it's worth noting that you can format 3.5'' floppies to contain up to
about 2MB, by using bizarre sectors/track settings. This is also
Has any consensus been reached about the best layout to be used for Hamm
disks? I've written several 3-CD sets for people so far using a simple
layout (below), but it would be nice to be able to produce to produce ones
similar to the official ones...
Disk 1: Main binary (i386, bootable)
Lets ask Andrew to add CHAP like authentication - that will clear my
complaints. I don't like the idea of IP based authentication, it is weak
and it is a pain to admin.
Too late --- he's already added it :-)
In the /etc/rsyncd.conf file on the target, you need something like this:
The layout of the registry will be similar to Microsoft's windows
registry however it will be far more powerful.
...
So what do you think of this idea?
IMHO The registry is the main reason that on Windows the solution to every
problem is ``re-install from scratch''.
What happens when you get
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Don't you mean:
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Parallelized booting. What this means is we run multiple bootup scripts
simultaneously. It's a *lot* faster on mid-to-higher-end machines, even
with just one CPU - it'd be wickedly fast with SMP.
I like it.
This sounds like a job for make (which can run things in parallel)
It shouldn't be
I'm told problem is related to turning on the A12 Gate and the
cache. It was never explained to me in detail, but it has something
to do with the cache having the wrong contents (or rather the wrong
tags on the contents) after the A12 line was set. It was never clear
to me why they couldn't
now available on http://open.hands.com/~aj/
or alternatively:
http://www.uk.debian.org/~aj/
if the new CNAME is doing it's stuff.
the mkhybrid file was placed there for bo systems which don't have
mkhybrid. it's staticaly linked.
but with newest joilet extensions problem, we will not
As quite a number of people are currently using rsync to mirror, is it
really worth it to make a change?
It's worth at least setting up annon rsync, because it means that the data
does not get run through ssh at each end, thus saving CPU cycles and 10% (or
more) of the bandwidth.
For
With the 5 cd set they can choose. And smaller redistributors that simply
burn gold cds (as I do in italy, just 20 to 40 cds) can choose to exclude
a couple of them the from the distribution.
The Official CD images are meant for the big CD vendors, so we don't have them
doing a run of 1000
I thought debian's 2.0.33 had the FAT32 patch. This is the same as the joilet
stuff AFAIK. Does this mean that you are using a non-standard kernel or am I
just totally wrong here?
i don't know what [EMAIL PROTECTED] is useing (no symlinks at his machine),
but my own system is running
the cdroms will ahve such a layout :
/boot boot binaries
/debian (parts of) the debian ftp mirror
/toolsunpacked programs from tools/ (no source)
a) are gzip124.exe and unz512x3.exe necessary to be included ?
is there a way i can unpack these
PS: If you say that a sysadmin expects vi to be there, link vi to ae on a
rescue disk. He *will* have an editor, this should be sufficient.
Argh!
Please don't do this. It used to drive me nuts to type vi and get ae (whether
in ae or braindamaged-vi mode). If there is some vital reason for
You wrote:
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 11:02:57AM +0200, Gregor Hoffleit wrote:
Since a few days, I'm unable to connect to ftp1.us.debian.org.
I always get an error 530 Unable to chdir.. Could somebody look
into this ?
Netgod stole its disk in order to produce some Debian CD-ROMs.
[
This post is a on the long side, and probably not of interest to many (sorry).
It comes up with the conclusion that Debian and Democracy don't mix.
]
David Voting by developers should be limited to the election and
David recall of leaders and the ratification of amendments.
Why?
On 29 Apr 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Hi,
Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dale The Policy Statement is a set of rules for the behavior of
Dale developers, set down by the ruling body, sometimes referred to
Dale as the government. When those rules are viewed as more
Dale
Manoj,
Was my previous mail really that annoying ? If so, I apologise profusely (I
was fairly tired at the time I wrote it, so may have started to be rather more
argumentative that I meant to be)
I think we actually hold fairly similar opinions about this subject. Did you
ever see my
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Raul Since when is The flight of the Bumble Bee the right thing to
Raul do?
Since I decided on it. What is to prevent me?
This epitomises the point you insist on missing here.
What prevents you, is YOU. If it turns out that you are a painful
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Philip [Oxford English Dictionary] policy[1]: noun. prudent conduct,
Philip sagacity; course or general plan of action (to be) adopted by
Philip government, party, person etc.
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] also quoted things
similar. So, we
Hi:
I've just made ssh 1.22.2-4.1 which fixes a serious use-after-free bug
that is responsible for most of ssh's recent bug reports. Please check it out
at
Excelent, I'll do that.
http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/ssh/
If necessary I'll upload this. Thanks.
I should have
Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on debian-policy):
Hi...
I had been talking to Guy on irc a coupla times, and he let me know he'd work
on the bug. It's been a few days, and today I tried to check the current
status but it seems www.debian.org is down. Checking another mirror revealed
a bug
Hi,
I've set up a merged us/non-us site, on debian.hands.com, which should be
accessible thus:
# [EMAIL PROTECTED]
deb http://debian.hands.com/debian/ stable main contrib non-free non-us
deb http://debian.hands.com/debian/ frozen main contrib non-free non-us
deb http://debian.hands.com/debian/
Hi folks,
This has been reported as a bug (#20572), but since it passed me by, I thought
I'd mention it here and save people some aggravation.
bash_2.01.1-1 is lacking a pre-depends on libreadlineg2_2.1-8, and will start
segfaulting if you just let dselect do an upgrade, which kills all
Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, just so you don't think you're by yourself, I think your
proposal is superior. What we're talking about here is a simple cron
database, and that's something the filesyastem's quite good at -- no
scripts needed.
Seconded.
I was only in favour of
On 07-Jan-1998 11:35:45, Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6 Jan 1998, Kai Henningsen wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Schwarz) wrote:
(b) We set up a certain directory (say /usr/lib/cronjobs) where each
package can install its own crontab file
Remco Blaakmeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The update-cron script could be very simple, like:
#!/bin/sh
cat EOF /etc/crontab.tmp
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE. It will be overwritten by the update-cron script.
# Instead, edit the appropriate file in /etc/cron.d and re-run update-cron .
#
EOF
Hi,
It seems that the only file that needs to be changed between ppp with PAM, and
ppp without PAM is /usr/bin/pppd itself.
This being the case I thought I'd produce two packages, ppp ppp-pam.
ppp will contain the current setup, compiled without PAM support, and ppp-pam
will contain just
Philip Hands wrote:
ppp is needed for doing an install from the internet via a dialup link.
PAM is not needed until you want people to log into the system, so libpam
is a waste of space on the install disks.
The only advantage I can see is a couple of kilobytes of space
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Recommends: ppp-pam
Recommends is for packages found together in all but unusual
sitations.
It's certainly not appropriate here. I wouldn't even use Suggests.
Just mention it in the description.
I've gone for Suggests in the package I just
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote:
My first attempt at this was to add these lines to the scripts:
# These variables are for the use of the scripts run by run-parts
PPP_IFACE=$1
PPP_TTY=$2
PPP_SPEED=$3
PPP_LOCAL=$4
PPP_REMOTE=$5
export PPP_IFACE PPP_TTY
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If people really think it is necesary I can add:
PPP_TTYNAME=`/usr/bin/basename $2`
I think this is a bad idea. Anyone who wants to do this, can, and
throwing away information in situations like this is usually a bad
idea.
If I were
And there is one thing
which I would qualify as a mistake in the above description: $2 is
actually in the form /dev/ttyS1 than just ttyS1.
Doh! I wish they wouldn't do that. I guess it's for some kinda
security?
...A. P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]URL:http://www.onShore.com/
So do I. I first asked Christoph for this back in the spring, and I've since
asked Phil Hands about it when he took over the package and I've seen nothing
happen yet..
It's on my TODO list. I was intending to release a package including this
this evening, but I've just wasted a couple of
[You ([EMAIL PROTECTED])]
FWIW I've been using run-parts in ip-up and ip-down for some time now,
the scripts reconfigure stuff based on my ip address (2 ISPs) etc.
and everything works like a charm. I dunno about packages placing
scripts in ip-[up|down].d/ -- I'd rather put them in
You need to enable ms_chap in PPP --- see README.MSCHAP80
Thanks...read it. Is there any reason, besides the libraries that this
hasn't been simply built into our standard ppp package?
Not that I've noticed.
How much bigger does it get if you static link libpam and libdes?
I thought that
I need to connect a Linux box to an NT server over a dial-up line. The NT
box uses a Remote Access Server. I remember seeing a discussion of this
recently, but can't find the reference in my mail archives. Can anyone
clue me in as to what package/howto I need to look at to deal with this?
You
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote:
For example, with the diff package:
Package: diff
- cmp works on identical and different binary or text files
- diff works on files, directories, normal or 2 column
- sdiff correctly merges two files
- diff3 correctly compares
For example, with the diff package:
Package: diff
- cmp works on identical and different binary or text files
- diff works on files, directories, normal or 2 column
- sdiff correctly merges two files
- diff3 correctly compares 3 files
It seems a shame to have to ask people to do this
I agree, but if feel the opposite --- == BS should be default
because most linux users come from the dos world, and the keys on a linux
terminal/xterm should act the same as in dos. Emacs users know more about
unix and therfore should know how to change stty erase
Um, how does a normal
Well, from a sheer visual standpoint, seeing an arrow pointing to the
left, like on the BS key (--), makes one think that pushing that
button's going to move the cursor that way, just like the other arrow
keys. I've NEVER understood the funky behavior of the BS key on *nix.
I think we
Hi,
I need to add a couple of lines to /etc/hosts.allow in qmail, because
otherwise qmail will not work under inetd. I presume I'm not supposed to
create packages that edit other packages conffiles, so how do I deal with this
?
The lines I need to add are of the form:
smtp: .YOUR.DOMAIN.:
On Sun Dec 7 09:15:28 1997 +
(Sekmadienis, 1997 m. gruodio 7 d. 11:15:28 +0200),
Mark Baker wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes:
Okay. I'm building a new unstable version of rxvt with backspace set
to ^H. From this
On Sat, 6 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote:
ftp://gated.merit.edu/net-research/gated/gated-R3_5_5.inet.tar.gz
(is that the right one ?) and found this in README.license
THe current one is gated-3-5-8.tar.gz
Please note the Gated 3.5.5 software can distributed
in source
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Sorry, this came out sounding harsher than it was supposed to. I just
think that there are some problems that could really do with solving,
and Reply-To: would do it at a relatively small cost.
Is it really so hard to use ``Reply All'' and then cut out all the Cc:
Hi,
I've got a copy of qmail-1.01 built with diffs I got from Christian.
The diffs worked out of the box, which is why I've not uploaded anything
(since Christian has obviously already done the work, and I didn't want to
tread on his toes).
I've since applied some of the anti-spam patches
Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the documentation files in all available formats do not require
more than 100k of disk space _together_, they may be included in the
main package. Otherwise, the will have to be distributed in
seperate packages, one for each
Hi,
Since discussing this in private resulted in me doing something stupid,
I'll Cc: this to the list (all comments welcome).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
pppd is not just a dialout tool but also used to allow dialin. The
group dip has been designed for that purpose (dialup ip).
A user might be a
I was just wondering why we havn't upgraded to the new upstream
version 2.3.0, which has been out since may 22. I would figure it whould
have quite a few fixes for some of the problems in 2.2.0.
There is a Debian package of 2.3.0 in project/experimental.
I've only recently taken on
pppd should include all functionality possible. But the IPX features
should be disabled by default in the configuration file.
As far as I can tell having -ipx-protocol in /etc/ppp/options does this, so
that's what I've done.
When I upload the next version (to put the group back to ``dip''),
Hi,
This discussion seems to keep getting side tracked with
``program X does not support feature Y''
type statements.
In the case of qmail at least, I'd just like to emphasise that every feature
that I've wanted (or seen asked for on the qmail list), that is not explicitly
included in
I think we should also consider switching to Maildir/ format for mail drops,
since it seems to be the only way for delivering mail securely over NFS.
I think we should try to stick with solutions that work with both
Maildir and central spool directories, since otherwise it is difficult
to
Philip Hands wrote:
I think we should seriously consider using qmail as our default MTA. It's
only real weakness lies in it's documentation, and that should be reasonably
easy to fix.
AFAIK, qmail is highly antisocial WRT the number of connections it forces
on a recipient host
Both qmail (which proved insecure most evil grin)
To what are you referring ?
Probably what was reported on the djb-qmail mailing list, where you
start sending data, but no CR-LF, down the line and qmail malloc's
some memory for it, then malloc's some more, and some more, etc. I
Let me remind you of one thing...
Both qmail (which proved insecure most evil grin)
To what are you referring ?
and Exim are not capable
of UUCP or even bang paths!
Qmail is most definitely capable of UUCP (I use it here), and AFAIK bang paths
can be done with rmail.
So a lot of those
Perhaps you could think over the whole thing and how we could arrange
to have an installation without the need to answer questions.
The main thing to do is to separate the question asking from the other scripts.
SVR4's package system does this by having a request script for each package
that
Hi,
I sent some mail to the author of the Tecra kernel patch, Jens Maurer
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and he replies thus:
Philip Hands wrote:
One thing that I thought you might be interested in is that for a while
during testing, the kernel patch was included on the soon to be released
Debian
The fix is very simple: ctrl-alt-F1; log in as root; shadowconfig off;
return to x and log in normally. But you do have to know this.. and there
is no warning when installing shadow or xdm.
Arrrghhh!
I spent two hours yesterday (past midnite) on the phone with a client
trying to
Hi Jim,
Imagine if Microsoft demanded that everybody had to use a certain
license in order to run on top of their operating system.
Well, they do actually.
Microsoft charges for the licences to use it's ``operating systems''.
If the Freeware community produces software that ends up helping
[ I've not been following this thread too closely,
so if I've got the wrong idea, please forgive me ]
The GPL is a very restrictive license. In many ways, it is just as
restrictive as the Qt license. Particularily in the case of libraries,
using it as Cygnus is doing (to make money) goes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
for SmallEiffel (which I am packaging) to work at all, it needs an
env-variable to be set.
Is it not possible to patch the program, to default to the value that you were
going to write into /etc/profile ?
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I'm writing my phd-thesis at the moment and time is getting
shorter, so I do have to give away the ssh-package. I should
be taken by someone in the *free world*.
Ok, I'll take it --- I use it all the time anyway, so it should be no hardship.
Also, it's about time I tried a multi-target
(1) user-map [if all package maintainers are local]
If you just want to be delivering mail to package_name@packages.debian.org
(rather than package_name-extension@packages.debian.org), you can deliver
to remote addresses with:
In users/assign, create one line per package:
Communication should be done via a package-specific mailing list. The
maintainer of the package decides who has commit privileges for this
package and who gets on this package's developers' mailing-list.
This mailing list could be used as target for the bug reports against
this package.
What I was trying to achieve was to have qmail forward a message without
messing around with the headers any more than necessary. Thus, I wanted
to have a .qmail-packages-default file to handle the packages.debian.org
domain, and that would look up the package name and map it to the maintainer
I have had a very quick look at the aegis README. It has a
baseline (main trunk in CVS; no mention of multiple independent
branches and back merging that I could see).
It relies on RCS or CVS for its version control, so you get access to most if
not all the features of those (or at
b4f978d71d6dd8d4558632b5a185f28d 37760 root root 755 r/bin/ls
(with type being 'r' for regular files, 'b', 'c', 'p', 'l' for
(respectively) block and character devices, pipes, links).
It might be worth adding a type for control files, to make it easier to spot
the difference
You can make ssh accept group writable home dirs by changing a line in
/etc/ssh/sshd_config:
StrictModes yes
needs to be changed to
StrictModes no
I personally prefer to change the home directories to be only writable by
user, but that is because I'm paranoid.
Maybe the install script
For example, on my keyboard I can use the up- and down-arrow keys to
scroll in less (on the console and in an Xterm), but the PgUp and PgDn
keys only work in the Xterm--not on the console.
Huh. I have the opposite problem: The end key doens't work in xterms!
xterms are in my experience
Hm; I thought there was some way I could ask Linux where on my hard
drive the minicom program was; something like
ls -R minic* but that doesn't work What is the *nix way to
Find file with name:___ ? I know how to do this with the Mac OS and
several different Microsoft OSes, it's kinda
Generally, after installing any system, I add this to ~/.profile for
root:-
alias rm=/bin/rm -i
This is a BAD thing to do. If you want this use a different name, like:
alias del=/bin/rm -i
Otherwise it is all too easy to get into the habit of doing
rm *
and picking the ones you want,
Anybody should know that before typing rm -rf * or an equivalent,
you THINK FIRST, every time.
And AFTER you type it.
The prompt doesn't make the slightest difference when the death knell sounds:
rm: .o: No such file or directory
and it dawns on you there was an extra space in the last
Hi,
2. I installed shadowing as it suggested - started installing packages
merrily. I also installed and configured NIS - however, I cannot log in
any in my personal account - though I can finger anyone without trouble. I
deinstalled shadow by doing a shadowconfig off and that still
2. I installed shadowing as it suggested - started installing packages
merrily. I also installed and configured NIS - however, I cannot log in
any in my personal account - though I can finger anyone without trouble. I
deinstalled shadow by doing a shadowconfig off and that still didn't fix
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