Re: PCRE package naming

2015-11-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:24:09AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Is there anything preventing a rename of libpcre2-dev to libpcre-dev, first? That should, of course, have been "Is there anything preventing a rename of libpcre3-dev to libpcre-dev, first?"

Re: PCRE package naming

2015-11-20 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 03:51:26PM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: > No, the -dev packages will need to be co-installable, too. I expect > we'll need to ship PCRE (including its -dev package) for quite some time. > > ...so I'm still not sure what to call PCRE2 :-/ Sorry if I'm being thick, but libpc

Re: PCRE package naming

2015-11-19 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On 10/22/2015 10:47 AM, Matthew Vernon wrote: The natural thing to call the PCRE2 packages is pcre2, but that's going to lead to confusion - ISTM that something that makes it clear that PCRE2 is newer than PCRE is desirable. And, obviously, PCRE & PCRE2 need to be co-installable. There are alre

Re: PCRE package naming

2015-10-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Matthew Vernon writes: > No, the -dev packages will need to be co-installable, too. I expect > we'll need to ship PCRE (including its -dev package) for quite some time. > ...so I'm still not sure what to call PCRE2 :-/ It's pretty ugly, but I'd tend to use libpcre-v2-dev. Hopefully people will

Re: PCRE package naming

2015-10-28 Thread Matthew Vernon
Hi, Simon Richter writes: > Hi Matthew, > > On 22.10.2015 16:47, Matthew Vernon wrote: > > > Upstream has a new PCRE library, which they hope everyone will > > eventually migrate to, which is called PCRE2. It is currently version > > 10.20. It ships things named like libpcre2-8.so.0, and its p

Re: PCRE package naming

2015-10-22 Thread Simon Richter
Hi Matthew, On 22.10.2015 16:47, Matthew Vernon wrote: > Upstream has a new PCRE library, which they hope everyone will > eventually migrate to, which is called PCRE2. It is currently version > 10.20. It ships things named like libpcre2-8.so.0, and its pcregrep is > called pcre2grep. That should

PCRE package naming

2015-10-22 Thread Matthew Vernon
Hi, PCRE has been in Debian for some time; the current packages correspond to upstream 8.35 (with a pile of backported security fixes, which I hope will end up as an 8.38 release some time soon). These packages are called pcre3 (and libpcre3 ships libpcre.so.3). Upstream has a new PCRE library, w

Re: DKIM and DK Milters: package naming

2007-04-26 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 26, Mike Markley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it more confusing to have the package name differ by one letter from > the only binary in it, or is it more confusing for the package to be > named via a different convention than similar applications? Any input is > appreciated. Probably it

DKIM and DK Milters: package naming

2007-04-25 Thread Mike Markley
It has been suggested to me that I get some input from the list on the naming of my recently uploaded packages for dkim-milter and dk-milter. I thought I had opened an ITP for this purpose, but it turns out I had not; hence this message. The core issue: Upstream calls the *packages* dkim-milter an

Re: sim package naming

2006-07-06 Thread Jason Spiro
Alexander Petrov gmail.com> wrote: > I think naming default version 'sim-kde' is wrong, because the name is > not intuitive to a user, who just wants to have an IM installed, and > who doesn't want to bother with libraries used by the program Now that I think of it that way, I take back my previo

Re: sim package naming

2006-07-04 Thread Alexander Petrov
im-qt? Why not name it sim-qt-only or -nokde like gnuplot-nox. ok, as I understand package naming - is just a question of personal preference and there is no established policy on that. will name them sim and sim-qt. Regards, Jörg. -- Thanks. -- BR. Alexander 'zowers' Petrov.

Re: sim package naming

2006-07-03 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hi Alexander, Alexander Petrov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7/3/06, Jason Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > The package is compiled with kde libraries. Users demand to create one >> > more binary package - compiled with qt only. >> > I would like to use 'sim' package name for kde version an

Re: sim package naming

2006-07-03 Thread Felipe Sateler
Alexander Petrov wrote: > Hello, > > I maintain sim package - Simple Instant Messenger, http://sim-im.org/ . > The package is compiled with kde libraries. Users demand to create one > more binary package - compiled with qt only. > I would like to use 'sim' package name for kde version and 'sim-qt

Re: sim package naming

2006-07-03 Thread Alexander Petrov
Hello On 7/3/06, Jason Spiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The package is compiled with kde libraries. Users demand to create one > more binary package - compiled with qt only. > I would like to use 'sim' package name for kde version and 'sim-qt' > for qt-only version. I am a newbie here, but I a

Re: sim package naming

2006-07-03 Thread Jason Spiro
Le 03-07-2006, Alexander Petrov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Hello, > > I maintain sim package - Simple Instant Messenger, http://sim-im.org/ . > The package is compiled with kde libraries. Users demand to create one > more binary package - compiled with qt only. > I would like to use 'sim' pa

sim package naming

2006-07-03 Thread Alexander Petrov
Hello, I maintain sim package - Simple Instant Messenger, http://sim-im.org/ . The package is compiled with kde libraries. Users demand to create one more binary package - compiled with qt only. I would like to use 'sim' package name for kde version and 'sim-qt' for qt-only version. Is it ok? --

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-30 Thread Steve Greenland
On 29-Jul-05, 08:50 (CDT), GOMBAS Gabor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:38:17AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > Exercise: let's say I have an application that uses GSSAPI, and has to > be able to be built statically. Requirements: > > - It should build with Heimdal's libgs

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 02:18:29PM -0400, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > > FWIW, detecting a fixed libtool would be rather difficult, since it's the > > libtool used by the depending application which does the recursion and > > therefore needs to be fixed. > I was thinking we'd be able to tell from the .

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-29 Thread Brian May
> "Steve" == Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> fact 3: libtool library libtool tries to implement a wrapper >> around shared library and static library, so that both of them >> can be uniformly processed, and allows specifying just: libtool >> cc -lnewt a.c St

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-29 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Fri, Jul 29, 2005 at 12:06:38PM -0400, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > This is nice, but I think it's not really very autoconfish [tm] in > spirit. It is not meant to be autoconfish. It is meant to be run _before_ configure, so you can decide if you have to re-libtoolize the package or not. > Also, t

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-29 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
GOMBAS Gabor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:57:29AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > >> I'd think we could come up with a way to detect the version of libtool >> in use, somehow. :) > > LTMAIN_SH_PATH=`autoconf --trace='AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR:$1'` > LTMAIN_SH_PATH="${LTMAIN_SH_PAT

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-29 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:57:29AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > I'd think we could come up with a way to detect the version of libtool > in use, somehow. :) LTMAIN_SH_PATH=`autoconf --trace='AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR:$1'` LTMAIN_SH_PATH="${LTMAIN_SH_PATH:-.}" grep ^VERSION "$LTMAIN_SH_PATH"/ltmain.sh |

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-29 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 07:05:34AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > We've had that discussion before. Last I recall there wasn't really a > huge fight to keep them. Well, Debian developers do not really need them. But there are people who do not develop Debian but develop other software _using_ Deb

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-29 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:38:17AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > Why is this better? I have to change my perfectly normal, standard Unix > link command to use something that completely hides the actual link > command and makes debugging problems nearly impossible? Exercise: let's say I have an

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think static libs have outlived their usefulness in Debian for the > most part; but using this to justify creating whole *new* packages for > static linking would just be insane. The dependencies of -dev packages > are just not that big a deal to war

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 29, 2005 at 07:06:34AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > > - Don't ship .la files in the -dev package; don't depend on any other -dev > > > packages except those whose headers you need. This gives optimal > > > results > > > for shared linking by pruning all unnecessary build-depen

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > - Don't ship .la files in the -dev package; don't depend on any other -dev > > packages except those whose headers you need. This gives optimal results > > for shared linking by pruning all unnecessary build-dependencies and > > dependencies; but it also screws over anyone trying to

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It doesn't exist; I think it's a great idea. Perhaps a tool named > dh_libtool, which populates a substvar named ${libtool:Depends}? Sounds good to me. I'm going to be leaving my current job in a few weeks and taking several weeks off between jobs. I

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Greenland
On 28-Jul-05, 03:02 (CDT), Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > fact 1: shared library > > gcc -lnewt a.c Right. No problem. > fact 2: static library > > gcc -lslang -lnewt a.c Right, Just like it's always been on Unix systems. > fact 3: libtool library > libtool tries to impleme

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Stephen Frost
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > It doesn't exist; I think it's a great idea. Perhaps a tool named > dh_libtool, which populates a substvar named ${libtool:Depends}? This sounds reasonable to me; I appriciate that it's a libtool-specific thing and not a blanket policy. :) > FWIW, de

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jul 28, 2005 at 08:29:52AM -0400, Jay Berkenbilt wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Leave the .la files in place; -dev packages need to depend on -dev > > packages corresponding to those runtime dependencies that are also built > > using libtool. This is the stat

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Jay Berkenbilt
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Leave the .la files in place; -dev packages need to depend on -dev > packages corresponding to those runtime dependencies that are also built > using libtool. This is the status quo. If we do this (which I think we should for now), I would sugges

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > - Option 4 (requires volunteers): fix libtool > > Blankly stating that libtool needs to be 'fixed' > because it is 'broken' is not very helpful. > Would you care to explain what needs to be fixed and why > it is broken? Good working examples would

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Stephen Frost
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 08:57:51PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > > * Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 07:20:44PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > > libtool is broken in this regard and needs to be fixed to survive

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-28 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > - Kill the .la files and .a files. Drop support for static linking. Not > > something that should be done lightly and without prior project-wide > > discussion. > > - Leave the .la files in place; -dev packages need to depend on -dev > > packages corresponding to those runtime depe

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 10:16:54PM -0400, Josh Metzler wrote: > On Wednesday 27 July 2005 10:10 pm, Steve Langasek wrote: > > But ok, yes, that is an option; let's spell the options out completely: > > > > - Don't ship .la files in the -dev package; don't depend on any other > > -dev packages excep

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-27 Thread Josh Metzler
On Wednesday 27 July 2005 10:10 pm, Steve Langasek wrote: > But ok, yes, that is an option; let's spell the options out completely: > > - Don't ship .la files in the -dev package; don't depend on any other > -dev packages except those whose headers you need. This gives optimal > results for shared

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 08:57:51PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 07:20:44PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > > > libtool is broken in this regard and needs to be fixed to survive > > > missing files. > > Then fix it instead of gi

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-27 Thread Stephen Frost
* Steve Langasek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 07:20:44PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > > libtool is broken in this regard and needs to be fixed to survive > > missing files. > > Then fix it instead of giving people bad advice. Do you actually have anything beyond "libtool

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 07:20:44PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > > 4. -dev packages should depend on other -dev packages? > > Yes. > Whoah, whoah, whoah. This is just blatently false. There *certainly* > wasn't a consensus that -dev packages should regularly depend on -dev > pacakges. There'

Re: SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-27 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > 1. Conclusion: > For the initial question of > 'How does one decide which -dev package accompanies > runtime library package' > There is no answer, and we have not reached the consensus. It would be possible to put forth a proposal to deal with

SUMMARY: Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-27 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, Since I've started up this thread, I'd like to summarize what was discussed in this thread. 1. Conclusion: For the initial question of 'How does one decide which -dev package accompanies runtime library package' There is no answer, and we have not reached the consensus. 2. Methods to

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-16 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 2. The information of -dev packages depending on other -dev packages > > > cannot be automatically determined currently; > > > it should be possible to obtain a minimal list by analyzing the > > > NEEDED field of the objdump output. > > > > Errr, -

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Michael K. Edwards
On 7/15/05, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:30:44PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > An alternate solution is to have a database for that kind of thing, > > but I forsee that it requires effort to maintain and keep up-to-date. > > Like the database I just que

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:30:44PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > > Having a solid naming scheme will allow me to > > > ldd /usr/lib/libwhatever.so to track down its > > > shared library dependency, and appending "-dev" > > > to individual package to create the list of > > > requisite -dev pac

Re: Build-Depends: libfoo-dev more susceptible to breaking (Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal)

2005-07-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 05:18:23PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > > BTW, having Build-Depends: libfoo-dev in > > > a library's build-deps, will allow the developer > > > to overlook a soname change in depending shared library. > > > Which is a bad idea in the QA standpoint. > > Yes and no. > >

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Ondrej Sury
> Stephen's points are valid and quite useful > considering an upstream developer's point of view, > but for random user joe who is trying to find a development > package, one of the following may help him find the right package Joe user should do: apt-cache search libNAME dev (or use synaptic,

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Daniel Kobras
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 10:44:04PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Stephen's points are valid and quite useful > considering an upstream developer's point of view, > but for random user joe who is trying to find a development > package, one of the following may help him find the right package > >

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, Thanks for your time and feedback. I appreciate it very much. > You could also suggest a policy for libs to have a libfoo.devname file > similar to the libfoo.shlibs file but naming the needed -dev > packages. If that is a good idea or not you have to think about. Just > a wild idea. Yes, t

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > >> > Having a solid naming scheme will allow me to >> > >> > ldd /usr/lib/libwhatever.so to track down its >> > shared library dependency, and appending "-dev" >> > to individual package to create the list of >> > requisite -dev packages. You c

Re: Build-Depends: libfoo-dev more susceptible to breaking (Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal)

2005-07-15 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > >> > BTW, having Build-Depends: libfoo-dev in >> > a library's build-deps, will allow the developer >> > to overlook a soname change in depending shared library. >> > Which is a bad idea in the QA standpoint. >> >> Yes and no. >> >> The program

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Francesco P. Lovergine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 09:36:47AM +0300, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.14.1416 +0300]: > > > libfoobar-2.1-0 will have > > > libfoobar-2.1-0-dev. > > > > Please distinguish between API and

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > If this is actually necessary for libtool-using packages, then write > > something which goes through all of the .la files and does this, since > > that's what libtool wants to do. > > and > > > Errr, you still havn't said what problem you're tryin

Re: Build-Depends: libfoo-dev more susceptible to breaking (Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal)

2005-07-15 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > BTW, having Build-Depends: libfoo-dev in > > > a library's build-deps, will allow the developer > > > to overlook a soname change in depending shared library. > > > Which is a bad idea in the QA standpoint. > > > > Yes and no. > > > > The program

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 09:36:47AM +0300, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.14.1416 +0300]: > > libfoobar-2.1-0 will have > > libfoobar-2.1-0-dev. > > Please distinguish between API and ABI! > True. Indeed the proposed policy is already followed in

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > Having a solid naming scheme will allow me to > > > > ldd /usr/lib/libwhatever.so to track down its > > shared library dependency, and appending "-dev" > > to individual package to create the list of > > requisite -dev packages. > > With the current scheme it is: > > ldd /usr/lib/libwh

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-15 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, Thanks for your input. > > Having a solid naming scheme will allow me to > > > > ldd /usr/lib/libwhatever.so to track down its > > shared library dependency, and appending "-dev" > > to individual package to create the list of > > requisite -dev packages. > > If this is actually necessa

Build-Depends: libfoo-dev more susceptible to breaking (Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal)

2005-07-15 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > BTW, having Build-Depends: libfoo-dev in > > a library's build-deps, will allow the developer > > to overlook a soname change in depending shared library. > > Which is a bad idea in the QA standpoint. > > Yes and no. > > The programer can overlook the soname change for the source. The A

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.07.14.1416 +0300]: > libfoobar-2.1-0 will have > libfoobar-2.1-0-dev. Please distinguish between API and ABI! -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :proud

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > BTW, having Build-Depends: libfoo-dev in > a library's build-deps, will allow the developer > to overlook a soname change in depending shared library. > Which is a bad idea in the QA standpoint. Yes and no. The programer can overlook the soname chang

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Having a solid naming scheme will allow me to > > ldd /usr/lib/libwhatever.so to track down its > shared library dependency, and appending "-dev" > to individual package to create the list of > requisite -dev packages. With the current scheme it is:

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Will Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 14 July 2005 17:14, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > >> The current recommendation I'm trying to give is: >> >> Package: libXXX-dev >> Conflicts: libXXX-dev >> Provides: libXXX-dev >> >> >> Thus, it won't contradict with your requirement to >> be ab

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include * Will Newton [Thu, Jul 14 2005, 05:36:05PM]: > > Thus, it won't contradict with your requirement to > > be able to just build-depend on libXXX-dev. > > I may be wrong, but I thought it was incorrect to build-dep only on a pure > virtual package? e.g.: > > Build-Depend: xlibmesa-gl-de

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > The current recommendation I'm trying to give is: > > Package: libXXX-dev > Conflicts: libXXX-dev > Provides: libXXX-dev > > > Thus, it won't contradict with your requirement to > be able to just build-depend on libXXX-dev. Uhh, then it doesn't

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > BTW, having Build-Depends: libfoo-dev in > a library's build-deps, will allow the developer > to overlook a soname change in depending shared library. > Which is a bad idea in the QA standpoint. Uh, no it isn't. SONAME changes are fine, the package h

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > There may be other showstoppers. > > > > What does doing this solve? What does it even help with? > > Hmmm... we are talking about naming > Debian development shareed library package names based on > Debian runtime shared library package names.

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > You can (and it is often done) extend an api to include more > functionality without breaking the existing api. Any program using one > of the new functions must use a versioned depend on the libfoo-dev > package introducing the function. > > The API can (and will) even stay compatibly acro

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Will Newton
On Thursday 14 July 2005 17:14, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > The current recommendation I'm trying to give is: > > Package: libXXX-dev > Conflicts: libXXX-dev > Provides: libXXX-dev > > > Thus, it won't contradict with your requirement to > be able to just build-depend on libXXX-dev. I may be wron

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > 2. The information of -dev packages depending on other -dev packages > > cannot be automatically determined currently; > > it should be possible to obtain a minimal list by analyzing the > > NEEDED field of the objdump output. > > Errr, -dev packages generally don't (and shouldn't) depe

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > I'd like to propose, for new -dev packages, to > > name -dev packages after their runtime library counterparts. > > I personally found it very handy that the dev packages automatically > selects the most recent API compatible version. Why do you want this > switch by the way? You did not

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > There may be other showstoppers. > > What does doing this solve? What does it even help with? Hmmm... we are talking about naming Debian development shareed library package names based on Debian runtime shared library package names. > > > I would really like this 10-year old non-reg

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Steve Langasek
[once more, doesn't belong on -release...] On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 12:11:21PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote: > * Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > * Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > I'd like to propose, for new -dev packages, to > > > > name -dev packages after their r

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > >> > I'd like to propose, for new -dev packages, to >> > name -dev packages after their runtime library counterparts. >> > >> > If the library package is named lib$NAME, >> > call the -dev package lib$NAME-dev. >> [...] >> >> Hej, >> The obvio

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > * Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I'd like to propose, for new -dev packages, to > > > name -dev packages after their runtime library counterparts. > > > > Uh, no? The -dev packages have no need to match to a specific runtime > > li

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > There may be other showstoppers. What does doing this solve? What does it even help with? > I would really like this 10-year old non-regulation to > go to a concensus (it is indeed rather embarassing we don't > agree on a good solution after 10 yea

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > * Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I'd like to propose, for new -dev packages, to > > name -dev packages after their runtime library counterparts. > > Uh, no? The -dev packages have no need to match to a specific runtime > library and this just creates unnecessary work. Well

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, > > I'd like to propose, for new -dev packages, to > > name -dev packages after their runtime library counterparts. > > > > If the library package is named lib$NAME, > > call the -dev package lib$NAME-dev. > [...] > > Hej, > The obvious downside of this is that the name of dev-package will

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Philipp Kern
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 20:16 +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > I'd like to propose, for new -dev packages, to > name -dev packages after their runtime library counterparts. I personally found it very handy that the dev packages automatically selects the most recent API compatible version. Why do you

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Stephen Frost
* Junichi Uekawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'd like to propose, for new -dev packages, to > name -dev packages after their runtime library counterparts. Uh, no? The -dev packages have no need to match to a specific runtime library and this just creates unnecessary work. > This allows mechani

Re: shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Andreas Metzler
[I am stopping the cross-posting to -release, as -release is no discussion list] On 2005-07-14 Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to propose, for new -dev packages, to > name -dev packages after their runtime library counterparts. > > If the library package is named lib$NAME, >

shared library -dev package naming proposal

2005-07-14 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Hi, I'd like to propose, for new -dev packages, to name -dev packages after their runtime library counterparts. If the library package is named lib$NAME, call the -dev package lib$NAME-dev. For example, libxxx0 will have libxxx0-dev. libfoobar-2.1-0 will have libfoobar-2.1-0-dev. This

Re: package naming

2003-06-03 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 03:25:15PM +0200, Mario Lang wrote: > Sure, the epoch is of course necessary. What I am wondering about is how > katie will react if a source package is uploaded which produces a binary > package which is already produced by another source package. > > I.e., is there any t

Re: package naming

2003-06-03 Thread Mario Lang
"Marcelo E. Magallon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 03:15:19PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote: > > > I've been working on the package "kernel-patch-speakup" which has a > > source package called speakup-cvs and produces the binary called > > kernel-patch-speakup_2002

Re: package naming

2003-06-03 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Hi, On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 03:15:19PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote: > I've been working on the package "kernel-patch-speakup" which has a > source package called speakup-cvs and produces the binary called > kernel-patch-speakup_20021221-1_all.deb, well, there is a stable > version of speakup t

package naming

2003-06-02 Thread Deedra Waters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been working on the package "kernel-patch-speakup" which has a source package called speakup-cvs and produces the binary called kernel-patch-speakup_20021221-1_all.deb, well, there is a stable version of speakup that I'd like to package and have

Re: Perl Police (was Re: Bug#10405: package naming)

1997-06-14 Thread Christian Schwarz
[I CC: this to the mailing list since I think this is of public intrest. Hope you don't mind] On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Brian S. Julin wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > What is your problem exactly? We could easily change our standard to > > "cpan-xxx.deb", for example. > >

Re: Perl Police (was Re: Bug#10405: package naming)

1997-06-14 Thread Carey Evans
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [snip] > I just had a look at an (old) index file of CPAN. The ".tar.gz" of the > modules have better names for us, for example: "Date-GetDate-2.00.tar.gz". > This could easily be converted to "lib-date-getdate-perl_2.00.deb". Sounds good. [snip] >

Re: Perl Police (was Re: Bug#10405: package naming)

1997-06-12 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Brian S. Julin wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > I think this naming scheme is quite reasonable. What does everyone else > > think about it? > > What do you do if you do have a package turn up with an underscore > in its name? We could easily replace

Re: Perl Police (was Re: Bug#10405: package naming)

1997-06-10 Thread Guy Maor
"Brian S. Julin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However I will end up with a major headache if I cannot reliably > map perl module names to debian package names. One solution is to simply add a new field to the control file. dpkg & friends do preserve extra fields. `Perl-Module:' perhaps? Guy

Re: Perl Police (was Re: Bug#10405: package naming)

1997-06-09 Thread Brian S. Julin
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > I think this naming scheme is quite reasonable. What does everyone else > think about it? What do you do if you do have a package turn up with an underscore in its name? > (I'm definitely against having more special characters in file names, as > `+

Perl Police (was Re: Bug#10405: package naming)

1997-06-09 Thread Christian Schwarz
[I'm pulling this thread over to debian-devel since I think this might be intresting for more people.] On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Brian S. Julin wrote: > Yeah, fine, close the report. Should I open one with the > deb-make maintainer about it's permissiveness, or will > you? Maybe I'll take it up late

Re: FTP Installation & Package Naming Conventions

1995-12-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Raul Miller writes in email to me: > I presume you're familiar with the gnu conventions for labelling > target/host architectures? [e.g. i486-unknown-linux] > > If not, I'd like to draw your attention to them. Yes, I am, thanks. Do people think the architecture names as handled by dpkg should

Re: FTP Installation & Package Naming Conventions

1995-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
(Moved to debian-devel) Raul Miller writes ("Re: FTP Installation & Package Naming Conventions"): > If you lose track of the architecture on an executable, you can use > 'file' to figure things out. I suppose it would be nice to have some > similar mechanism for

Re: FTP Installation & Package Naming Conventions

1995-11-03 Thread Ian Jackson
brian white writes ("Re: FTP Installation & Package Naming Conventions "): > >brian white writes ("Re: FTP Installation & Package Naming Conventions "): > >> Also, while the versions are not choosen by Debian, the format in which > >> they are

Re: FTP Installation & Package Naming Conventions

1995-11-03 Thread Ian Jackson
, but this is probably not necessary. I agree, and in any case this would be a lot more work, because I don't currently scan the msdos tree. brian white writes ("Re: FTP Installation & Package Naming Conventions "): > How about another field in "Packages-Master"