I'm few weeks late to join this discussion but anyway I'd like to share a
bit of my experience with pulseaudio...
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:52:24 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> The problem is that many people who complain about PulseAudio issues
> are often prejudiced about it in the first place
On 02/21/2014 03:28 PM, Mario Lang wrote:
> No, you have summarized it pretty neatly.
> I just don't consider an X11 program a true alternative to a ncurses tool.
Did you give pulseaudio-utils a try then? They don't require X.
Adrian
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Paul Gevers writes:
> On 21-02-14 10:57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> On 02/21/2014 09:29 AM, Mario Lang wrote:
>>> I am sorry, both are not an option for me, since alsamixer is a ncurses
>>> program, and pavucontrol apparently requires $DISPLAY to be set.
>>>
>>> I guess that explains why
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
> There are a couple of command line utilities to control Pulse Audio in
> the package "pulseaudio-utils". But I haven't used it that much to be
> able to assess whether it provides the features Mario needs.
>
"pacmd" allows you to enumerate outputs, set their volum
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On 02/21/2014 11:56 AM, Paul Gevers wrote:
> I think the point of Mario is that people like him don't have a DE,
> but work from console. I haven't checked, but apparently
> pavucontrol needs an X-session to show itself. Of course ALSA has
> the same
Say that I use a screen reader. Someone helps me installing debian, configures
the volume level to non-zero and then I am on my own.
After a while some package decides to install PA, then the audio is gone, then
I'll need someone to come over a second time to help me with that.
So yes it applie
On 21-02-14 10:57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 02/21/2014 09:29 AM, Mario Lang wrote:
>> I am sorry, both are not an option for me, since alsamixer is a ncurses
>> program, and pavucontrol apparently requires $DISPLAY to be set.
>>
>> I guess that explains why the accessibility community
On 02/21/2014 11:38 AM, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
> Not the same accessibility. And the screen reader will not work if PA
> does not work.
> This is quite difficult to debug remotely; if the user cannot describe
> the output of
> commands, then we are doomed.
Doesn't this perfectly apply to AL
Le 2014-02-21 09:57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a écrit :
On 02/21/2014 09:29 AM, Mario Lang wrote:
I am sorry, both are not an option for me, since alsamixer is a
ncurses
program, and pavucontrol apparently requires $DISPLAY to be set.
I guess that explains why the accessibility community has
On 02/21/2014 09:29 AM, Mario Lang wrote:
> I am sorry, both are not an option for me, since alsamixer is a ncurses
> program, and pavucontrol apparently requires $DISPLAY to be set.
>
> I guess that explains why the accessibility community has
> problems with PA.
What's wrong with the accessibil
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes:
> I think most people simply don't configure PulseAudio correctly.
> They have the assumption that sound cards are still simple devices
> with one input jack and one output jack and any application using it
> just has to find the sound card and output its audio s
Hi,
Helmut Grohne:
> Once you manually move a stream to a different sink, PA records your
> decision and the default sink is no longer relevant for that client. So
> when you move back, and restart your client, it is not affected by the
> default sink. What you propose does not work. Do you have a
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 05:25:13PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 17 février 2014 à 13:24 +, Wookey a écrit :
> > The main complaint in this thread seems to be 'my sound worked with
> > ALSA, but installing PA stopped/stops it working'. It seems to me that
> > PA should try very har
previously on this list John Paul Adrian Glaubitz contributed:
> The problem is that many people who complain about PulseAudio issues
> are often prejudiced about it in the first place such that they aren't
> actually interested in having the problem fixed but rather just want
> to get rid of it a
previously on this list Steve Langasek contributed:
> All
> software has bugs. The difference is in how you handle them.
And how many!!! AND how many per 1000 lines AND how many run with
priviledges.
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On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:17:53AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> but it takes care of the "Future" part. For the "past" one, obviously
> you'll have to ask PA to enumerate the sink's inputs and then move them
> to the new default one by one.
>
> The pavucontrol GUI doesn't do that currently, bu
Le mardi 18 février 2014 à 11:51 +0100, Andrew Shadura a écrit :
> On 18 February 2014 11:37, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
> > This is obviously a feeling. Facts would be better.
>
> > Pulseaudio is not broken, not by large. Many linux users use it without
> > any problems; it is default on alm
Le lundi 17 février 2014 à 13:24 +, Wookey a écrit :
> The main complaint in this thread seems to be 'my sound worked with
> ALSA, but installing PA stopped/stops it working'. It seems to me that
> PA should try very hard to make sure that whatever output ALSA was using
> before is still used
On 18/02/2014 12:13, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> In data martedì 18 febbraio 2014 12.03.57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz ha
> scritto:
>> That works here just fine, just tested it while listening to music
>> on Youtube. You really must be doing something completely wrong
>> when you are having so much t
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
> On 18/02/2014 10:57, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On 18 February 2014 09:33, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:09:11AM +0100, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> >>> Is it not? It's much more convenient
Hi,
Salvo Tomaselli:
> > • Make PA better? File a bug report
> Get a bug report to be read instead of closed immediately? Post on debian-
> devel I suppose.
>
OK, so we all (or most of us, anyway) admit that the original bug which
sparked this discussion could have been handled better. Worse, it'
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 13:58 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 02/17/2014 01:37 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > Why can you not simply say something like: "Well yes, there seem
> > to be some problems and we will try to fix them if we can get hold
> > of enough input. You DDs should be
In data martedì 18 febbraio 2014 12.51.38, hai scritto:
Hi,
>From my perspective, it's not that pulseaudio is broken and has to be purged
from existence, it is that reports from users who can't get any audio are
being responded to with: "your fault, deal with it, pulseaudio works for me so
it'
On 02/18/2014 12:13 PM, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> In data martedì 18 febbraio 2014 12.03.57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz ha
> scritto:
>> That works here just fine, just tested it while listening to music
>> on Youtube. You really must be doing something completely wrong
>> when you are having so muc
Hi,
Salvo Tomaselli writes:
> A certain number of users seem to be having troubles with pulseaudio, yet you
> keep insisting that it's just their fault and that since you can't reproduce
> (have you even tried?) then the problem doesn't exist.
>
> We understood it, for you pulseaudio is complet
In data martedì 18 febbraio 2014 12.03.57, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz ha
scritto:
> That works here just fine, just tested it while listening to music
> on Youtube. You really must be doing something completely wrong
> when you are having so much trouble with Pulse Audio.
A certain number of users
On 18/02/14 11:51, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> The only time I has somehow working PulseAudio was when I installed
> Ubuntu on a computer I was going to sell. However, it had some
> extremely weird behaviour: music did play only as long as I was on the
> same virtual console as the X server — as soon a
Hello,
On 18 February 2014 12:03, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> That works here just fine, just tested it while listening to music
> on Youtube. You really must be doing something completely wrong
> when you are having so much trouble with Pulse Audio.
I don't know how could I do anything c
On 02/18/2014 11:51 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> The only time I has somehow working PulseAudio was when I installed
> Ubuntu on a computer I was going to sell. However, it had some
> extremely weird behaviour: music did play only as long as I was on the
> same virtual console as the X server — as s
On 18 February 2014 11:37, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
> This is obviously a feeling. Facts would be better.
> Pulseaudio is not broken, not by large. Many linux users use it without
> any problems; it is default on almost all distributions, including the
> largest ones (Debian is the exception
On 18/02/2014 10:57, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On 18 February 2014 09:33, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:09:11AM +0100, Andrew Shadura wrote:
>>> Is it not? It's much more convenient than fighting with a broken audio
>>> server which was written by a bunch of not rea
Hello,
On 18 February 2014 09:33, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:09:11AM +0100, Andrew Shadura wrote:
>> Is it not? It's much more convenient than fighting with a broken audio
>> server which was written by a bunch of not really sane people suffering
>> from some extreme form
On 2014-02-18, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:09:11AM +0100, Andrew Shadura wrote:
>> Is it not? It's much more convenient than fighting with a broken audio
>> server which was written by a bunch of not really sane people suffering
>> from some extreme form of a NIH syndrome.
>
Hi,
Helmut Grohne:
> * Set a different sink to be the default sink. This doesn't move any
>existing streams.
but it takes care of the "Future" part. For the "past" one, obviously
you'll have to ask PA to enumerate the sink's inputs and then move them
to the new default one by one.
The pavuc
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:09:11AM +0100, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> Is it not? It's much more convenient than fighting with a broken audio
> server which was written by a bunch of not really sane people suffering
> from some extreme form of a NIH syndrome.
I think that attacking people isn't a good
Le mardi 18 février 2014 à 00:09 +0100, Andrew Shadura a écrit :
> > Sure, you need to put the MAC address of your headset in your
> > ~/.asoundrc. That's pretty convenient and user-friendly.
>
> Is it not?
No.
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On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 04:47:19AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ben Hutchings:
> > So maybe the necessary change would be:
> > - move the pulseaudio ALSA plugins and this config file into a new
> > binary package
> > - rename the config file so it's not just an example
> > - make pul
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:02:56AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> I don't know whether this is a good idea. What if I want to listen to
> something over my headphones which I don't others want to hear and
> I know about this "feature". I expect the sound to be over headphones
> only, yet
Hi,
Ben Hutchings:
> So maybe the necessary change would be:
> - move the pulseaudio ALSA plugins and this config file into a new
> binary package
> - rename the config file so it's not just an example
> - make pulseaudio recommend that binary package
>
… except that when somebody does deinstal
❦ 18 février 2014 00:09 CET, Andrew Shadura :
>> > That's not true; Bluetooth headphones work flawlessly with plain
>> > ALSA (as I noted in my previous mail which somehow didn't reach the
>> > list).
>
>> Sure, you need to put the MAC address of your headset in your
>> ~/.asoundrc. That's prett
Hello,
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:51:20 +0100
Vincent Bernat wrote:
> >> I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
> >> (a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio
> >> working by uninstalling pulseaudio, then me presenting you with a
> >> nice shiny set of
> The primary (and AFAIR only) cause of no sound with PulseAudio that I
> have encountered is that it doesnt know whether you want to hear sound
> over the HDMI output or over the jack. Both appear to the system as two
> different devices. So PA just selects one (I havent investigated how it
>
❦ 17 février 2014 15:50 CET, Andrew Shadura :
>> I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
>> (a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio working by
>> uninstalling pulseaudio, then me presenting you with a nice shiny set of
>> Bluetooth headphones will
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 08:57:53AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> > It might just be that DDs/"computer experts" just have more customized
> > setups
> > that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the
> > configuration
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 18:15 +0100, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
> Le 2014-02-17 16:00, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
> > On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> >> Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your
> >> home
> >> directory which configures your sound
On Mon, 2014-02-17 at 18:05 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 02/17/2014 05:25 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > On 02/17/2014 11:03 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> >> I don't see how I am rewriting things in a wrong way. Do you want to
> >> argue about the exact meaning of "broken" n
Le 2014-02-17 16:00, Thomas Goirand a écrit :
On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your
home
directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
Oh !!!
Now I do remember why my pulseaudio system works. It's
On 02/17/2014 05:25 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 02/17/2014 11:03 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>> I don't see how I am rewriting things in a wrong way. Do you want to
>> argue about the exact meaning of "broken" now?
>
> Indeed, words are important. For me, when I read "broken" it means
On 02/17/2014 11:03 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> I don't see how I am rewriting things in a wrong way. Do you want to
> argue about the exact meaning of "broken" now?
Indeed, words are important. For me, when I read "broken" it means bugs
upstream, and I'm convince the problem is configu
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:00:38PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your home
> > directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
>
> Oh !!!
>
> Now I do remember why my
Hello,
On 17 February 2014 15:47, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
>> > Tried to use one of these with ALSA lately?
>> Man, don't you get the point?
> I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
> (a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio working by
> uninstalli
On 02/17/2014 04:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your home
> directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
Oh !!!
Now I do remember why my pulseaudio system works. It's because I
followed to the letter this howto:
ht
On 02/17/2014 03:47 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Your tendency to rewrite things that I write in a wrong way is annoying.
You wrote:
=
However, the fact that multiple DDs, which I do consider all as computer
experts, failed t
On 2014-02-17 14:55, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes:
[...]
>> If you want me to help you with your problem, you need to provide
>> something I can work on. Just claiming it doesn't work isn't helping
>> in this situation, I don't have a crystal ball I can consult in this
>> c
On 02/17/2014 03:57 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Exactly what I have been thinking all the time. And I find the argument
> "all DDs are computer experts, so if they can't get it working it
> must be broken" a particularly bad one.
No, that's not what I wrote. I wrote that it's too compli
Hi,
Norbert Preining:
> > Tried to use one of these with ALSA lately?
>
> Man, don't you get the point?
>
I do. You didn't get mine, which was that if you have a choice of
(a) get PA working by at least filing a bug, or (b) get audio working by
uninstalling pulseaudio, then me presenting you wi
On Mo, 17 Feb 2014, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> OK, I'll give every one of these people a Bluetooth headset instead.
> (No that does not mean I'll actually pay for them …)
>
> Tried to use one of these with ALSA lately?
Man, don't you get the point?
Yes, everyone here agrees that PA is in principl
Hi,
Bjørn Mork:
> The goal of most users will be "have sound", not "install pulseaudio".
Most users will have PA installed anyway, so the second "goal" is already
met. :-P
> A package which appear to be non-functional at install time is not
> likely to receive any bug reports at all. Feel free
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes:
> On 02/17/2014 01:37 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
>> Why can you not simply say something like: "Well yes, there seem
>> to be some problems and we will try to fix them if we can get hold
>> of enough input. You DDs should be able to provide decent information
>>
+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2014-02-17 14:19 +0100]:
> On 02/17/2014 02:03 PM, Wookey wrote:
> > No it wasn't. He explicitly said 'I'll spare you my rants', and _didn't_
> > put in a big rant about how PA is a PITA. Yes it had some 'tone' due to
> > be filed just after being very annoyed by some
+++ Josselin Mouette [2014-02-17 11:06 +0100]:
> Le samedi 15 février 2014 à 22:12 +0100, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit :
> > Well I am now biased against pulseaudio. But let's look at the facts: it
> > comes
> > by default, in the last 3 desktop machines that I've installed, it
> > prevented
> > an
On 02/17/2014 02:03 PM, Wookey wrote:
> No it wasn't. He explicitly said 'I'll spare you my rants', and _didn't_
> put in a big rant about how PA is a PITA. Yes it had some 'tone' due to
> be filed just after being very annoyed by some problem. Sometimes that
> happens. As a maintiner you have to l
+++ John Paul Adrian Glaubitz [2014-02-16 14:55 +0100]:
> On 02/16/2014 01:05 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:50 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> > wrote:
> >> Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not
> >> reporting a bug, you were just rant
On 02/17/2014 01:37 PM, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Why can you not simply say something like: "Well yes, there seem
> to be some problems and we will try to fix them if we can get hold
> of enough input. You DDs should be able to provide decent information
> to help track the problems down."
Then w
Hi Adrian,
On Mo, 17 Feb 2014, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Exactly what I have been thinking all the time. And I find the argument
> "all DDs are computer experts, so if they can't get it working it
> must be broken" a particularly bad one.
Well, the amount of DDs mentioning that on their
Le samedi 15 février 2014 à 22:12 +0100, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit :
> Well I am now biased against pulseaudio. But let's look at the facts: it
> comes
> by default, in the last 3 desktop machines that I've installed, it prevented
> any audio to be heard.
> Am I so unreasonable to think that sinc
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:02:56AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
> Well. You can't blame PulseAudio if you have an .asoundrc in your home
> directory which configures your sound card incorrectly.
I just want to confirm that I have no file ~/.asoundrc in my home dir
and I never ha
On 17 Feb 2014 19:33, "darkestkhan" wrote:
> It is also noteworthy that when most of average users getting this kind
> of problems would go back to Windows (hey, at least audio works there)
In my case, was the reverse. When Windows audio didn't work (incorrectly
says nothing connected to the port
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 04:26:31PM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:18:51AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> As an example, most users who use systemd probably still restart
> services using "/etc/init.d/ restart", just because it works.
It's simply less to type if you don
Hi,
Chow Loong Jin:
> > It's simply less to type if you don't otherwise like bash-autocomplete. :-P
>
> Really? I've been using "service restart" which autocompletes well
> too, and is even less to type. Works well with systemd, upstart, and sysvinit.
>
I intentionally disable bash autocomplete
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:57 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
>> It might just be that DDs/"computer experts" just have more customized setups
>> that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the
>> configuration
>> changes to a
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 09:18:51AM +0100, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
> > As an example, most users who use systemd probably still restart
> > services using "/etc/init.d/ restart", just because it works.
> >
> It's simply less to type if you don't otherwise like
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
> > Use all of them. Most of them most likely aren't connected to anything,
> > so sending a signal there is harmless.
>
> I don't know whether this is a good idea. What if I want to listen to
> something over my headphones which I don't others want to hear and
> I
Hi,
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
> As an example, most users who use systemd probably still restart
> services using "/etc/init.d/ restart", just because it works.
>
It's simply less to type if you don't otherwise like bash-autocomplete. :-P
> It's also noteworthy that complains about PulseAudio u
On 02/17/2014 08:44 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
>
>> So, if your computer has several sounds cards - which is the case when
>> you have both a sound card and HDMI audio - how is PulseAudio supposed
>> to know which sound card to use? This is in no way different to pl
On 17 Feb 2014 06:54, "Andreas Tille" wrote:
> I have no idea whether this remark is helpful but this thread inspired
> me to give pulseaudio another chance on one of my boxes (I had
> deinstalled previously on all boxes where sound stoped working at some
> point in time randomly). Despite I gave
On 02/17/2014 08:37 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> It might just be that DDs/"computer experts" just have more customized setups
> that break in interesting ways when effort isn't spent porting the
> configuration
> changes to a new system. What follows is "$new_thing sucks because $feature in
> $old
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 08:44:28AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>
> If the configuration you get from install + upgrade is different than
> just installing a newer version, that's a bug.
+1
BTW, my experience with reinstalling pulseaudio and breaking my sound by
doing so was after a purge of al
]] John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> So, if your computer has several sounds cards - which is the case when
> you have both a sound card and HDMI audio - how is PulseAudio supposed
> to know which sound card to use? This is in no way different to plain
> ALSA.
Use all of them. Most of them most likel
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 03:09:25PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> [...]
> However, the fact that multiple DDs, which I do consider all as computer
> experts, failed to have a working setup, can only lead to the conclusion
> that there's something wrong which has to be fixed, especially if it
> come
On 02/17/2014 02:52 PM, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 09:05:42PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>>> I'll agree with that. Audio really should just work unless the hardware
>>> configuration is particularly strange.
>
> +1
+1
>> So, if your computer has several
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 09:05:42PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > I'll agree with that. Audio really should just work unless the hardware
> > configuration is particularly strange.
+1
> So, if your computer has several sounds cards - which is the case when
> you have both a sou
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 10:17:52AM +0100, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> Quoting John Paul Adrian Glaubitz (glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de):
> > On 02/15/2014 09:22 AM, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> > > So, before doing so: will that be helpful?
> >
> > I think most people simply don't configure PulseAudio
Hi all,
On 15-02-14 21:11, Russ Allbery wrote:
> All I'm saying, and all I think Steve is saying, is that audio not working
> out of the box is some kind of bug. That's fine -- software has bugs. We
> all know that. It might be an important bug, it might be a normal bug, it
> might be a wishlis
Hi,
On 02/16/2014 12:39 AM, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> I said: "If you are willing to help, I am willing to cooperate and send you
> configuration and details about my system."
>
> To which I got this answer: "No, thanks. See my previous answer." (I think
> referring to the fact that he isn't an
On Saturday 15 February 2014 09:22:53 Christian PERRIER wrote:
[snip]
> I happened to come on this thread and finally learned that purging
> pulseaudio from one's system seems to be the way to get sound working
> back again in some situations. And, guess what? This is exactly the
> problem I was h
On 02/16/2014 01:05 PM, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:50 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
> wrote:
>> Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not
>> reporting a bug, you were just ranting.
>
> If you are willing to help, I am willing to cooperat
On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:50 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
wrote:
> Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not
> reporting a bug, you were just ranting.
If you are willing to help, I am willing to cooperate and
send you configuration and details about my sys
I'd like to take the opportunity to plug the "pasystray" package,
available in testing.
IMO it provides a friendlier interface to advanced pulse features than
pavucontrol.
Btw, does normal KDE mixer work with PA? I remember that when I tried it,
all ALSA channel volume levels were replaced by
> Well, I'm sorry but I would have probably reacted the same. You were not
> reporting a bug, you were just ranting.
I am glad I don't need to use any of your packages then :-)
> How about writing a proper bug report without being so hostile?
How would another bug help, when my offer to send furth
On 02/16/2014 12:39 AM, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> Hm.. Please let me copy and paste some passages from that bug-report:
>
> I said: "If you are willing to help, I am willing to cooperate and send you
> configuration and details about my system."
>
> To which I got this answer: "No, thanks. See my
On 15/02/14 19:58, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
>
> So, in order to be able to properly configure PulseAudio, install
> "pavucontrol" or use the sound preferences in GNOME3 or MATE (with
> the package mate-media-pulse being installed).
>
I'd like to take the opportunity to plug the "pasystra
The problem (insane pulseaudio defaults disabling audio output) has not been
debugged yet because there is an easy workaround: deinstall pulseaudio.
There
seems to be little interest in investigating the issue.
Why not document the status quo somewhere (known issues in the release notes
or the
In data sabato 15 febbraio 2014 23:46:24, Matthias Urlichs ha scritto:
> Umm, what? Looking at that bug, it was obvious from your first email that
> you have a basic problem with pulse being installed, and that you aren't
> really interested in helping find the cause of the problem.
Hm.. Please let
> Meh, I don't want to start another flame war. It works fine for me and
> for all users (~1000) at my Physics Department where we deploy Debian
I do believe you
> Well, Anton couldn't reproduce the bug, so you probably didn't
> provide enough information.
I did offer to provide the information as
Hi,
Salvo Tomaselli:
>
> Reporting bugs doesn't really help very much
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702884
>
> So please stop blaming it on users.
>
Umm, what? Looking at that bug, it was obvious from your first email that
you have a basic problem with pulse being installe
On 02/15/2014 10:12 PM, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> In data sabato 15 febbraio 2014 21:52:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz ha
> scritto:
>
>> The problem is that many people who complain about PulseAudio issues
>> are often prejudiced about it
> Well I am now biased against pulseaudio. But let's look
In data sabato 15 febbraio 2014 21:52:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz ha
scritto:
> The problem is that many people who complain about PulseAudio issues
> are often prejudiced about it
Well I am now biased against pulseaudio. But let's look at the facts: it comes
by default, in the last 3 desktop
On 02/15/2014 09:23 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Whenever someone says "I installed pulseaudio and my sound stopped working",
> the right answer is *not* "here are some tools that let you reconfigure
> pulseaudio". The right answer is "let's figure out how to fix pulseaudio so
> that this doesn't h
On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 08:50:18PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 02/15/2014 08:42 PM, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > If any configuration is required, that is a bug in pulseaudio.
> According to that logic, half of the software in Debian is broken.
There's a difference between "broken"
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