On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:13:25PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:02:38PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
sorry, but that argument is bogus. convenience is NOT the same as freedom.
more to the point, freedom does not require convenience.
Convenience and freedom are
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 04:13:25PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Ghods, not this one again. The GPL, as a text of it's own, would most
certainly fail the DFSG. We only include the GPL as a description of the
terms under which much of the software in Debian is distributed, which is
very, very
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:38:31PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
(similarly, you CAN modify an invariant section - but you can only do so by
adding a new section that subverts or refutes or simply adds to the invariant
section. i.e. you can make whatever comments you like about it, but you can't
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:10:18PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:03:09PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
no, acroread is DFSG non-free for other reasons that have nothing
to do with convenience. most notably, the complete absence of
source-code, and the right to modify
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:01:41PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:10:18PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:03:09PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
no, acroread is DFSG non-free for other reasons that have nothing
to do with convenience. most
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:46:56PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:38:31PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
(similarly, you CAN modify an invariant section - but you can only
do so by adding a new section that subverts or refutes or simply
adds to the invariant section.
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 02:01:31AM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote:
I'm not aware of any other non-free bits of data in Debian with the
status of we have absolutely no choice, other than license texts, so
nothing else
i don't believe that we do have absolutely no choice. it might be an
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:04:08PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 06:01:41PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:10:18PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote:
Lack of source code and no permission to modify the existing article
are just convenience.
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005, Craig Sanders wrote:
whether you call it commentary or a patch, it's still a patch and is
explicitly allowed by the DFSG.
The section of the DFSG to which you are refering is the following:
4. Integrity of The Author's Source Code
The license may restrict
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:36:02PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
[snip]
wannabe-Holier-Than-Stallman zealots is not a rebuttal, it's merely a
succinct description of the anti-GFDL crowd.
Not agreeing with you does not necessarily make people zealots. Have
you ever considered that you're a
O Mércores, 5 de Xaneiro de 2005 ás 19:42:46 +1100, Craig Sanders escribía:
because the DFSG explicitly allows a license to restrict modification so that
it is only permitted by patch.
As long as we can distribute a modified binary.
There's no way we can distribute a GFDL-licensed document
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:43:43AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005, Craig Sanders wrote:
whether you call it commentary or a patch, it's still a patch and is
explicitly allowed by the DFSG.
The section of the DFSG to which you are refering is the following:
4.
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:54:38AM +0100, David Weinehall wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:36:02PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
[snip]
wannabe-Holier-Than-Stallman zealots is not a rebuttal, it's merely a
succinct description of the anti-GFDL crowd.
Not agreeing with you does not
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:56:09AM +0100, Jacobo Tarrio wrote:
O M?rcores, 5 de Xaneiro de 2005 ?s 19:42:46 +1100, Craig Sanders escrib?a:
because the DFSG explicitly allows a license to restrict modification so
that
it is only permitted by patch.
As long as we can distribute a
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 02:21:00PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Matthew Garrett:
Perhaps an easier way to do this would be to look at the DFSG and work
out what changes need to be made. We have a set of freedoms that we
believe software should provide - rather than providing an entirely
Am Wed, 05 Jan 2005 02:30:12 +0100 schrieb Brian Masinick:
I agree with you. What is there currently is quite clear, and I don't
think that it is misleading, either. Just as Richard Stallman states,
the system comes with GNU utilities, and in our case, GNU utilities,
various other
* Gunnar Wolf:
Well... Remember the GPL does not require you to provide the sources
_together_ with the binary/printout/whatever - It requires you to
provide means to get the sources. So if you print a book that [...]
has the URL for the place you can refer to in order to get the
source, it
* Gunnar Wolf:
Florian Weimer dijo [Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:14:55PM +0100]:
Well... Remember the GPL does not require you to provide the sources
_together_ with the binary/printout/whatever - It requires you to
provide means to get the sources. So if you print a book that [...]
has the
Florian Weimer dijo [Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 02:21:00PM +0100]:
I'd prefer a slightly different set of freedoms, but this goal is
impractical. For instance, I believe that the GNU GPL is not a free
documentation license because it unnecessarily complicates the
distribution of printed copies, but
Florian Weimer dijo [Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:14:55PM +0100]:
Well... Remember the GPL does not require you to provide the sources
_together_ with the binary/printout/whatever - It requires you to
provide means to get the sources. So if you print a book that [...]
has the URL for the place
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:04:24PM -0500, Brian Masinick wrote:
Think about it, just as there is Debian GNU/HURD
It's the Hurd, not the HURD.
cheers,
Michael
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Debian Developer
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Greetings and Happy New
Year!
I recieved a Dell 5160
laptop as a holiday gift and require assistance finding a distro that supports
the includedcomponents. I have tried several live disks (knoppix,
linspire, mandrake) butwireless networking and video components continue
to be
* Gunnar Wolf:
No, Debian distributes source and binaries on the same (virtual)
medium. This is different from handing over a physical object with
the binary and providing a URL for some resource on the Internet.
So... If I hand over a Debian CD to someone, will I be breaching the
law as I
Florian Weimer dijo [Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:22:45PM +0100]:
This is an unusual GPL interpretation. Most commentators assume that
providing a *separate* URL is *not* enough.
That's exactly what Debian does, isn't it?
No, Debian distributes source and binaries on the same (virtual)
On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 04:06:51PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote:
-public_html on gluck and refered to by
+~/public_html on gluck and refered to by
s/refered/referred/
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=referred
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=refered
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:13:51AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:43:43AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
The license must allow:
1) the distribution of patch files for the purpose of modifying
the work at
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Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Gunnar Wolf:
No, Debian distributes source and binaries on the same (virtual)
medium. This is different from handing over a physical object with
the binary and providing a URL for some resource on the
* Johannes Rohr
| Linus says: Linux is an OS, using the GNU tools and being packaged by
| distributors.
nah, he doesn't. He says that Linux is a kernel and useless without
any programs to use. It's also fairly boring to most people.
--
Tollef Fog Heen
A Dimecres 05 Gener 2005 21:19, Rybon, John P. va escriure:
Greetings and Happy New Year!
I recieved a Dell 5160 laptop as a holiday gift and require assistance
finding a distro that supports the included components. I have tried
several live disks (knoppix, linspire, mandrake) but wireless
Florian Weimer dijo [Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 10:16:11PM +0100]:
So... If I hand over a Debian CD to someone, will I be breaching the
law as I am giving him only the binaries, even if they have a very
easy way of getting the sources?
It's generally believed that it's sufficient to offer a
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