On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 03:24:03PM +0100, Paul Waring wrote:
>On 14/09/15 15:08, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> I'm also hoping to find sponsors again to cover some other costs for
>> the conference for things like food - please contact me if you can
>> help!
>
>I probably can't justify the cost of
On 14/09/15 15:08, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> I'm also hoping to find sponsors again to cover some other costs for
> the conference for things like food - please contact me if you can
> help!
I probably can't justify the cost of attending, but I'm happy to chip in
£100 towards sponsoring the event
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 02:23:24PM +0100, Paul Mellors wrote:
Hello All
If it ok to paste that link into twitter/facebook etc to promote it?
I can't make the event but can big it up a bit :)
Of course, yes please!
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Hi,
On 16 August 2013 15:23, Paul Mellors prjmell...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm organising a mini-conf in Cambridge for November this year. My
employer ARM has graciously volunteered to host people for 4 days for
a mix of sprint sessions and talks:
For more details and to sign up to attend, please
if necessary beyond that. In many
circumstances, law says groups must apply for a decision,
but DUS won't and I'm not sure whether the call reported in
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/debian-uk/2005-August/010548.html
really happened or was a joke like much of the rest of that mail.
Best wishes
MJ Ray wrote:
[...]
In many
circumstances, law says groups must apply for a decision,
but DUS won't and I'm not sure whether the call reported in
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/debian-uk/2005-August/010548.html
really happened or was a joke like much of the rest of that mail
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why do you think that mail was a joke? [...]
The poor attempt at telepathy, claiming someone said BTW and :-)
then rounding off by confirming that a constitution is required if
you ask for a bank account type that requires a constitution
(and exclude other
Scripsit Rich Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If that organisation operates for a period of time, then a court
would need convincing that the members were not jointly and
severally liable for the liabilities of that organisation.
I get more and more happy that I moved out of that country.
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isn't going to be shifting that much money in a hurry.
Corporation Tax is the one to worry about. The limit for that is only
£10,000 per financial year. I just ran a few quick projections based
on the reports in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives, and it's reasonably
likely that it'll be over
registration isn't the one you need to worry about. Debian-UK
isn't going to be shifting that much money in a hurry.
Corporation Tax is the one to worry about. The limit for that is only
£10,000 per financial year. I just ran a few quick projections based
on the reports in the [EMAIL PROTECTED
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:30:39AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This doesn't strike me as much different than loads of other inon-profit
associations
(maybe thisis a frenchisism though ?) do in all legallity, and i see nothing
there which really involves
is an enterprise?
What exactly is this DUS thingy you are all speaking about ? Is it the same as
Debian-UK under another name, or something else ?
If you insist on spamming the whole world with this, at least provide good
context.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:30:11AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Businesses are not inherently evil but they do have different priorities
than Debian. I don't follow debian-uk and it certainly doesn't sound
like it's actually been resolved in an acceptable way regardless.
It's somewhat
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And BTW, anyway, does the debian trademark extend to textile and such ? Or is
it only restricted to software products ?
I don't think it does, which may be the reason for the non-free
logo. DUS (the _D_ebian _U_K _S_ociety... debian-uk is a
mailing list I'm
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] in my vocabulary not-for-profit business is an oxymoron?
OK. So, for example, http://www.createuk.com/ isn't a business to you?
If not, I think your definition is a bit unusual.
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Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is DUS's involuntary membership even legal? I don't know.
Which law would prevent them from giving you a vote in their matters?
How would you enforce such a law? [...]
You moved slickly from membership to whether
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:38:35AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] in my vocabulary not-for-profit business is an oxymoron?
OK. So, for example, http://www.createuk.com/ isn't a business to you?
CREATE is a charity and social business based in Speke in
commercial sale of goods - a business.
More assertions.
Assertions?
That DUS is an enterprise?
What exactly is this DUS thingy you are all speaking about ? Is it the same as
Debian-UK under another name, or something else ?
DUS - Debian UK Society. I'm sure this was obvious
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scripsit MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You moved slickly from membership to whether one has a vote.
That's the only thing membership *means* when there are no dues to pay.
Being part of an unincorporated association has other implications.
Debating
DD who lives in the UK, unless they
stated that they didn't want to be involved.
On reflection, I think we should ensure that the wording makes it clear
that one has to express an interest in membership in order to be considered
a member. I'll start a thread to that effect back on the debian-uk
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 06:38:38PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
and it does not engage in any lucrative activities of
which the society itself is a benefactor, seeing that revenue from CD
sales is donated to Debian.
DUS spends on itself, which is necessary in its current setup.
From the last
there are non-profits out there which do exactly this.
This issue is about doing it using Debian's name (the trademark issue)
and attempting to appear as part of Debian (the non-commercial issue).
If DUS/Debian-UK is really the UK branch of Debian then it needs to act
as Debian does and be non-commercial
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:30:39AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
The debian trademark policy says no businesses get to use
the mark. Why should this selling association, which ignores
good practice, get a swift exception, while Ian Murdock's
development
* Stephen Frost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050907 14:02]:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:30:39AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
The debian trademark policy says no businesses get to use
the mark. Why should this selling association, which ignores
good practice,
is in Debian's name, either explicitly or as Debian-UK with the
assumption that Debian-UK is the UK branch of Debian.
I saw products being sold at LinuxTag's debian booth, and saw no major problem
with that.
.From my overview of this discussion, it is just a petty person dispute
between the in people
be
selling things but I respect that the apparent majority disagrees with
me on that. Certainly if Debian/SPI isn't going to do it then
Debian/SPI in other countries shouldn't either. That's what
Debian-UK comes across to me as- the UK branch of Debian. It seems
you'd like
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 08:03:03AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:30:39AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
The debian trademark policy says no businesses get to use
the mark. Why should this selling association, which ignores
good
* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
* Stephen Frost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050907 14:02]:
I'm not so sure I agree with this interpretation... When we claim to
not sell products, and therefore claim to be non-commercial, I'd have to
say that I'd expect anything which does sell products
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 08:03:03AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
I'm not so sure I agree with this interpretation... When we claim to
not sell products, and therefore claim to be non-commercial, I'd have to
say that I'd expect anything which does sell
pretty likely that the sponsored
booth is in Debian's name, either explicitly or as Debian-UK with the
assumption that Debian-UK is the UK branch of Debian.
I saw products being sold at LinuxTag's debian booth, and saw no major problem
with that.
Great, then perhaps you'd support a move
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 08:47:24AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
* Stephen Frost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050907 14:02]:
I'm not so sure I agree with this interpretation... When we claim to
not sell products, and therefore claim to be non-commercial,
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:01:12AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Well, there's a BIG similarity:
* both took the debian name for business use without consent;
You are pretty much the only one who asserts that Debian UK has
anything at all to do
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:34:25PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
I don't know how real those concerns are, but I know I've heard them.
Man, I love open source FUD.
Cheers,
aj
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* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [050907 15:02]:
AIUI, that's been frowned upon in the US because actually selling
things makes you liable for collecting/paying sales tax which is a huge
nuisance. Giving stuff away and asking for a donation, meanwhile, doesn't.
Different countries
Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe there is some animosity due to the opt-out issue but that's
not what I'm focused on since it's not terribly interesting. [...]
No, not interesting, until something you disagree with is done
in your name without consent. When it's a technical
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 08:47:24AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
Perhaps there's a language misunderstanding here. Commercial *means*
selling things, at least where I'm from. What you're referring to seems
to be what I'd understand as a non-profit.
at whichever UK expos DUS goes
to we *are* selling products. It seems pretty likely that the sponsored
booth is in Debian's name, either explicitly or as Debian-UK with the
assumption that Debian-UK is the UK branch of Debian.
I saw products being sold at LinuxTag's debian booth, and saw
pointed out that I thought it was a bad idea and that it needs
to be resolved in another thread... Sorry, I'm not terribly interested
in fighting for it though, you seemed to be doing a fine job of that
yourself and indeed at least one of the Debian-UK people seemed to
indicate that they were going
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:34:25PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
I don't know how real those concerns are, but I know I've heard them.
Man, I love open source FUD.
Yes, I rock. :) Sorry, I didn't look up the other thread I started,
been kinda
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Nope, if you are really from the US, then your view on this is limited by
the
way you think there, and if not, no idea if you ever participated in
associative life.
Uhh...
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 08:53:54AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
And BTW, anyway, does the debian trademark extend to textile and such ?
Or is
it only restricted to software products ?
That's an interesting question and not really very well phrased and so
is kind of difficult
just stop. =20
I'm not trying to blame anyone.
When it comes to I don't follow debian-uk and it certainly doesn't
sound like it's actually been resolved in an acceptable way
regardless, it's entirely relevant. There are some people for whom
things will not be resolved in acceptable ways.
It's
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Let's say your paroquial association or housewife get-together association,
start to sell house-made cakes in order to finance the repainting or fixing
of
the roof of their church or
to sell CDs, does it? Not that
I have a problem with Steve, Phil, and the others either buying or
selling CDs, but we should consider whether it's appropriate to be
selling them under the name Debian UK Society. Maybe it doesn't a
damn bit of difference, though -- whether it's DUS, or Phil
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) wrote:
AIUI, that's been frowned upon in the US because actually selling
things makes you liable for collecting/paying sales tax which is a huge
nuisance. Giving stuff away and asking for a donation, meanwhile, doesn't.
Different countries handle that
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Nope, if you are really from the US, then your view on this is limited by
the
way you think there, and if not, no idea if you ever
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Let's say your paroquial association or housewife get-together
association,
start to sell house-made cakes in order to finance the
don't follow debian-uk and it certainly doesn't
sound like it's actually been resolved in an acceptable way
regardless, it's entirely relevant. There are some people for whom
things will not be resolved in acceptable ways.
Alright, it has yet to be resolved in an acceptable way for me. :)
It's
Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[...]
Uhh...
http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/info
Debian does not sell any products.
I don't *think* that my being in the US
* Philip Hands ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Stephen Frost wrote:
Even so, that was the general policy as I understood it... Should we be
saying that we don't sell CDs (do the DUS folks sell CDs? I dunno) only
there? Should we be pointing out that we do sell t-shirts somewhere?
I have a
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] There are some people for whom
things will not be resolved in acceptable ways.
When I'm not part of DUS and don't have to allow DUS to hold my
personal details, it's resolved for me. I'm surprised if that's
unacceptable to anyone. There's a
Stephen Frost wrote:
If they're doing it on Debian's behalf then they should be following
Debian's policies, which at least on the website has thusfar been that
Debian doesn't sell products (or perhaps just doesn't sell CDs). That's
also been the general understanding that I've had of
* Stephen Frost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050907 16:15]:
In general I believe the practice *has* been that we don't
sell things.
Actually, I have never seen any Debian booth where we didn't sell
things. With exception of fairs where the fair didn't allow it.
It's long been the case that Debian
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:33:55AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Let's say your paroquial association or housewife get-together
association,
Merle Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When it comes to the technical side of things, policy follows practice.
So why flout previous policy? Presumably there's some past
practice which caused it, even if it's just writing. If you
really believe no-one
On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Philip Hands wrote:
Is it SPI or a random assortment of Debian folks that attend expos in the US?
Random Debian people. Not even DDs in some cases.
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Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I don't know how the british rules are, but at least here
(Germany) a non-commercial institution can do business, as long as the
business helps in reaching the institution's goals. [...]
What is translating as non-commercial institution here?
I'd
to anyone. There's a shed-load of other stuff that
would be nice to see, but not enough for me to act on.
The Debian UK Society don't have your details anywhere -- the rules were
written in order to ensure that membership was a matter of definition,
rather than a question of being on a list somewhere
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 09:11:25AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
* Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Let's say your paroquial association or housewife get-together association,
start to sell house-made cakes in order to finance the repainting or
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050907 16:32]:
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I don't know how the british rules are, but at least here
(Germany) a non-commercial institution can do business, as long as the
business helps in reaching the institution's goals. [...]
What is
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 07:15:19PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The way we price this stuff has always been based on selling it as cheaply
as possible, while making the numbers round for convenient change at Expos,
and
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Manoj I have seen debian booths selling stuff at every conference
since '97
Because policy hasn't matched practice for a very long time. When that's
the case, it strongly implies that policy is wrong.
That doesn't show that policy hasn't
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd draw a distinction between Debian and it's representatives at Expos and
the like. [...]
By adding the characters -UK or something more distinctive?
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Modesto Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Manoj I have seen debian booths selling stuff at every conference
since '97
Because policy hasn't matched practice for a very long time. When that's
the case, it strongly implies that policy is wrong.
Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 06:38:38PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
So the society is certainly a
/corporation/, but if it's a business it's a piss-poor one.
A corporation is a legal person which can own stuff itself and
so on. DUS is an unincorporated
Rich Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the UK, we can construct companies in a number of ways. [...list...]
Additionally, you can be a sole trader, a partnership (usually
with a private agreement between the members), or some more
esoteric ones like a royal charter corporation. Co-operative
or
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Scripsit Rich Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, depending on what parts of UK law the organisation ended up
falling under (and without a clear constitution c this will probably
*not* be what you expect it to be) the membership might be jointly and
Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) wrote:
AIUI, that's been frowned upon in the US because actually selling
things makes you liable for collecting/paying sales tax which is a huge
nuisance. Giving stuff away and asking for a donation, meanwhile,
Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Honestly, you're the first one to bring up that there's some limitation
on volume regarding being commercial or non-commercial. This still
doesn't deal with the issue that we claim to not sell products on our
webpage. Do you happen to know what the
generating income from
commercial sale of goods - a business.
More assertions.
Assertions?
That DUS is an enterprise?
What exactly is this DUS thingy you are all speaking about ? Is it the same
as
Debian-UK under another name, or something else ?
DUS - Debian UK
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On reflection, I think we should ensure that the wording makes it clear
that one has to express an interest in membership in order to be considered
a member. I'll start a thread to that effect back on the debian-uk list.
As a complete bystander, I'd
Rich Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the UK, charities are *heavily regulated*. It's easier to set up a
Limited Company than a charity, and for good reason.
This is a known bug and attempts are being made to fix it
somewhat with the light touch approach to small charities:
Rich Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
So a charity for the benefit of Debian members would not work unless
Debian was a charity, which it can't be for the aforementioned political
reason.
I thought the political exeception was most about seeking to
directly influence legislation and
Hi,
* Philip Hands ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050907 12:09]:
On reflection, I think we should ensure that the wording makes it clear
that one has to express an interest in membership in order to be considered
a member. I'll start a thread to that effect back on the debian-uk list.
I know a local
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
I'm rather surprised you've not managed to work that out on your own,
especially given the fact that numerous people have reacted with confusion
to your assertion that we're holding your personal details.
I suspected it was that way around, but as
MJ Ray wrote:
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
I'm rather surprised you've not managed to work that out on your own,
especially given the fact that numerous people have reacted with confusion
to your assertion that we're holding your personal details.
I suspected it was that way
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Rich Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
So a charity for the benefit of Debian members would not work unless
Debian was a charity, which it can't be for the aforementioned political
reason.
I thought the political exeception was most about seeking to
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]
Is the data contained in the debian-keyring that relates to you inaccurate?
Not as far as I can tell. It's different to db.d.o and easier
to edit. It still has no assurance of following our country's
data protection principles, so careful how you use
that supports Debian.
Even if the Debian UK Society will sell t-shirts, mugs, DVDs etc.
it's technically not The Debian Project but the society of active
Debian people who want to promote Debian and Free Software.
Even if the Debian UK Society will represent the Debian Project formally,
legally
if the Debian UK Society will sell t-shirts, mugs, DVDs etc.
it's technically not The Debian Project but the society of active
Debian people who want to promote Debian and Free Software.
Even if the Debian UK Society will represent the Debian Project formally,
legally and fiscally
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The charta of the association may need to be approved by Debian
(DPL should be sufficient) due to the Debian trademark. However,
since it is used descriptively, this may not be required.
Exactly. It's a similar situation, in trademark terms, to the
DCC
the obvious consequences,
and the group of Debian folks in the UK who have decided that it was
reasonable to refer to themselves variously as debian-uk (as in the mailing
list) or more recently, and pretty much solely for the purposes of opening
a bank account, as The Debian UK Society.
The mailing list
to themselves variously as debian-uk (as in the mailing
list) or more recently, and pretty much solely for the purposes of opening
a bank account, as The Debian UK Society.
Well, there's a BIG similarity:
* both took the debian name for business use without consent;
and some differences, including
Scripsit MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, there's a BIG similarity:
* both took the debian name for business use without consent;
You are pretty much the only one who asserts that Debian UK has
anything at all to do with business. Despite being asked for
clarification several times, you have
[ I've been trying to let this stuff drop. *sigh* ]
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 01:49:01PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
rant snipped
You've not been constructive either (LaLaLa indeed!) and I
can't fix your organisation despite you. There's no need to
wonder at my motives. I've written them several times:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:40:14PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Mark, you keep on mentioning this. Precisely what personal details do
you think D-UK holds about you, either correct or incorrect?
I'm pretty sure that's it right there. And getting people's names
wrong when replying to
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:40:14PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Mark, you keep on mentioning this. Precisely what personal details do
you think D-UK holds about you, either correct or incorrect?
I'm pretty sure that's it right there. And
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On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 02:40:14PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Mark, you keep on mentioning this. Precisely what personal details do
you think D-UK holds about you, either correct or incorrect?
* Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Scripsit MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, there's a BIG similarity:
* both took the debian name for business use without consent;
You are pretty much the only one who asserts that Debian UK has
anything at all to do with business. Despite being
* Steve McIntyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[ I've been trying to let this stuff drop. *sigh* ]
I'm quite sure you'd appriciate it being dropped entirely and for you to
be able to go on your merry way doing whatever you'd like.
Unfortunately, life doesn't quite work that way. :)
d. You could
that Debian UK has
anything at all to do with business. Despite being asked for
clarification several times, you have spectacularly failed to
document, or even argue for, this assertion.
The rest of us conclude that your assertion is simply false, and that
you somehow has a personal axe to grind
Scripsit Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
You are pretty much the only one who asserts that Debian UK has
anything at all to do with business. Despite being asked for
clarification several times, you have spectacularly failed to
document, or even
* Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Scripsit Stephen Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Henning Makholm ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
You are pretty much the only one who asserts that Debian UK has
anything at all to do with business. Despite being asked for
clarification several times
, but that's not this discussion now.)
It's not there as an evil overlord business and participants on
debian-uk are bored silly explaining this over and over. Still Mark [0]
persists in grinding his axe. Hell he's even said he's going to on this
list: ``c. I slowly work through Not In Our Name
Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scripsit MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, there's a BIG similarity:
* both took the debian name for business use without consent;
You are pretty much the only one who asserts that Debian UK has
anything at all to do with business. Despite being
money in the UK on behalf of Debian
2) Selling t-shirts and whatnot
3) The name issue with 'Debian-UK'
4) The 'opt-out' membership
5) The beer-bashes
6) The bank account
For my part, I think #1, #3 and #6 go just fine together. I don't
think anyone would disagree with that. #2 and #5 work fine
that that wasn't a very convenient way of causing
trouble for the society and that you prefer reaching a larger audience
this way.
It's not there as an evil overlord business and participants on
debian-uk are bored silly explaining this over and over. Still Mark [0]
persists in grinding his axe
* Simon Huggins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Every post of yours on this subject, in my opinion, shows you *adore*
bureaucracy or you wouldn't persist in this mindnumbingly dull debate
over a point which has no relevance to -project any more (given the
grant of the trademark use).
I hate to
/pipermail/debian-uk/2005-August/010501.html
and you've been stomping on any bugfix ideas from the outset:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/debian-uk/2005-August/010504.html
[...]
You do realise that you are potentially making people think twice before
they sell t-shirts/CDs elsewhere
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