may suffice to clarify,
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting. The last thing I think we all want
to avoid is where upstream projects do not consider debian when developing
their software, due to misunderstandings.
wdyt?
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Steve,
I would be keen to join in and help, sign me up.
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On 2023-04-05 00:22, M. Zhou wrote:
> The date on the first page is ambiguous. 10/03/2023 can be in either
> the MM/DD/ or the DD/MM/ format.
That's, why ISO 8601 exist :-) Sorry, couldn't resist bike shedding.
On 2022-09-21 06:49, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> I still think this. Perhaps starting with a dedicated mailing list;
> debian-sustainability or debian-climate or debian-?
>
> Does anyone interested in this topic feel strongly for or against the
> idea of creating a list to discuss taking it further?
On 2022-04-13 11:01, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> please do not transform Debian in an activist project (i wont comment
> on the carbon neutrality proposal). Debian has one goal: provide a
> universal operating system. this is where it starts and this is where
> it ends, and that's all the "else" that we
are." And that not cause I would not care about the security
issue you pointed out.
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phil995511 - - 17.04.22, 13:18:25 CEST:
> > Replying off-list.
I replied off list for a reason.
*sigh*
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of applying double standards.
Also do not educate me about abuse. I know how it feels. Being
incarnated as a man does not automatically exempt one from abuse. Far
from it. All this putting into categories is adding to the division.
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th and one
> > who contributed a huge lot of work.
>
> The amount of work one does/did will never be an excuse for one's
> behaviour.
Just for clarification: I did not claim so.
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nt of view. *One* side of the story.
Not a fact.
Calling a fact, what is not a fact, may in itself be abusive and may in
itself make someone else a victim.
I more and more get the impression that all of this is much more about
power, not about truth.
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clear to me, beyond doubt, that there is disagreement here that
has not been resolved. One can paper over this disagreement with
exercising power. But it does not help the project in the long run.
There is work to be done. Uneasy work. But important to do, nonetheless.
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Martin Steigerwald - 23.03.22, 08:54:12 CET:
> Jonathan Carter - 23.03.22, 07:38:02 CET:
> > On 2022/03/22 22:01, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > > In his latest post, Norbert wrote:
> […]
>
> > I agree that his posts aren't appropriate for planet (I didn't pay
> >
Dears,
On 2021-08-04 20:09, Zayd Ahmed wrote:
> When I originally sent this message I just saw the contact information on the
> Debian website and didn’t realize that this was a chain email.
I wonder, if we should point out more clearly, that certain email
addresses on our website point to
Cc'd to you as you cc'd me. I do not really need a Cc though.
Sam Hartman - 11.04.21, 12:44:17 CEST:
> >>>>> "Martin" == Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Martin> I remember that at the recent KDE Academy meetups, I think
> Martin> the last two, there has been
as been some workshop about non-violent communication.
Maybe it would be an idea to propose something like that for the next
Debconf or maybe even some online meeting before?
If you like I can look up or ask about the details for those workshops.
I did not attend them.
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ent admins can
be involved, if they wish.
On Mar 30 2021, at 8:29 pm, Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote:
> [ Responding to both Mez and Ganneff ]
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 06:50:00PM +0100, Martin Meredith wrote:
> >Nominally, I was put in charge a while
Hi Felix,
I've also added you to the admin group.
The technical side of things does need a fair bit of work (the forums need an
upgrade, we need to add Let's Encrypt etc).
On Mar 30 2021, at 10:38 pm, Felix Lechner wrote:
> Hi Donald,
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:38 PM Donald Norwood wrote:
If you want to register an account, and let me know what it is i can give you
access - though we have had a few glitches recently with people complaining
about not being able to read the captcha
> On 30 Mar 2021, at 21:28, Donald Norwood wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
>> On 3/30/21 3:14 PM, Steve
Nominally, I was put in charge a while back, as whoever was in charge of it at
the time didn’t want to be involved any more, and there was a need for
something to be done related to the software/server (I can’t quite remember) -
which is where Joerg was involved.
There was a LOT of
On 2020-06-14 10:59, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> Hibernation doesn't work with Secure Boot at the moment (there's no
> infrastructure in the Linux kernel to verify that you're not resuming to an
> “unsigned” memory image). Not sure how much people hibernate these days anyway
I *always* hibernate
On 2020-06-05 12:12, Mark Pearson wrote:
> You will be able to buy a Linux system
> (albeit not Debian) soon.
That's fine with me! If a notebook computer works with any
Linux, I'm confident, that I/someone can put Debian on it!
On 2020-06-03 13:39, Mark Pearson wrote:
> I'm the linux technical lead at Lenovo for the PC team and I'd *love* to
> improve the Debian experience on Lenovo platforms.
Very welcome!
Just to add some praise here: I'm using X220 at home and X220 at
work, one with Debian testing, one with Debian
On 2020-04-15 11:21, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Yes. You can subscribe to categories, topics and tags (or combinations
> of them). For example, if you only ever care about m68k, you could watch
> #m68k and get a notification email for that across all categories.
This is pretty nice! Thank you!
(Also
On 2020-04-15 08:56, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Could I point out that the email program you wrote this message in is
> doing the same?
Could you elaborate on that? Ansgar seems to use
"User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.1-1"
(While I'm using mutt.) How do such UAs track reading behaviour?
> Quoting does
On 2020-04-14 15:49, Neil McGovern wrote:
> If you're using the stable branch of Discourse, then the API is stable
> :)
Ha! ;-) This leads a little bit off-topic here, maybe it's
better off-list, on #956705, or elsewhere:
Can I expect API stability cycles of Discourse long enough, that
it were
On 2020-04-14 13:49, Neil McGovern wrote:
> I suspect the API should be stable enough for this, if people wanted to
> store discussions in a form that isn't discourse itself.
Is the API stable in general, or only this particular function?
I ask in the context of #956705: "ITP: python-pydiscourse
On 2020-04-13 22:23, Martin wrote:
> My personal and preliminary résumé is: "Something like Discourse would
> be great, but maybe better something else, esp. w/o gamification?"
I have been hinted, that this résumé sounds more negative than
I actually meant it. Elsewhere on -proj
On 2020-04-14 14:30, Ansgar wrote:
> That said I'm in principle fine with trying a mostly
> web-only system; just like GitLab also really needs to be used over the
> web.
I'm a salsa.d.o user of course, but how often would I login into
the web interface? Once a month? 99 % of the interaction is
Hi Neil, hi project,
thanks for putting effort in communication improvements, either on
the social or on the technical level.
I'm a Discourse user on various instances, but I'm not an admin on
any of them. This is my end-user experience:
Good:
- Discussions are usually well structured. It is
rs.html
Thanks,
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Sam Hartman - 01.01.20, 15:59:31 CET:
> >>>>> "Martin" == Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Martin> Dear Sam.
>
> Martin> Sam Hartman - 31.12.19, 15:37:09 CET:
> >> folks, emotions are very high at the moment. It would really
>
Aron Xu - 01.01.20, 12:22:49 CET:
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:09 PM Martin Steigerwald
wrote:
> > Dear Sam.
> >
> > Sam Hartman - 31.12.19, 15:37:09 CET:
> > > folks, emotions are very high at the moment. It would really help
> > > if
>
is that
suppressing them or pushing them away will somehow do anything good.
Another thing would be to start with seminars about non-violent
communication, similar as those taught during KDE Academy gatherings of
the KDE community.
For me here the "How" of the communication is much, much, much more
important than the "What".
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he topic in this GR, but also for other reasons.
All the best for resolving at least some of those community related
issues in 2020.
Have a Happy New Year!
Best,
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prints to promote social interaction and cohesiveness?
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y.
Let's just have an automatic $100 and keep the bureaucracy to a
minimum.
(Not speaking for the treasurer team, for SPI or anyone else.)
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than me, ever. Period. The library for the graphical environment of
AmigaOS was called intuition.library for a reason.
So if anything: It is easier to let go in gratitude!
And if there is hate… I strongly recommend to welcome it. Let it be
there. And let it dissolve all by itself.
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censorship and should not be done in
> an open project like debian.
>
> But that is my personal mindset I am coming from. If such a mindset is
> outdated nowadays and not wanted anymore I offer to resign as a
> listmaster.
I certainly concur with your mindset here.
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Jonathan Carter - 02.07.19, 10:54:
> On 2019/07/02 10:35, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of
> > their
> > skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints,
> > their appearance?
> >
&
Colin Watson - 02.07.19, 12:25:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:07:39AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Actually I felt something like similar like this myself before (not
> > related to the pridemonth thing). There still a lot of oppression of
> > women and a lack of
Marc Haber - 02.07.19, 11:06:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 10:35:21AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > How about a month of welcoming *all* contributors regardless of
> > their
> > skin color, their sexual orientation, their political viewpoints,
> > their appearance
Martin Steigerwald - 02.07.19, 10:35:
> Russ Allbery - 02.07.19, 00:26:
> > Adrian Bunk writes:
> > > It is also a meaningful gesture if some people are excluded from
> > > being welcomed.
> > >
> > > Would Debian honor a month of white heterosexual
e and leave or ask them to leave.
How about even extending that month of welcoming *all* contributors to…
quite a long time?
How about looking at what is needed to make *all* contributors be
welcome here?
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would be around 650 words, completely free of charge,
backed up with research, and written especially for you.
What do you say?
Thank you!
Tina
Tina Martin
Life Coach and Creator of Ideaspired.com
tina.mar...@ideaspired.com
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* Sam Hartman [2019-06-10 14:06]:
> Is there any way to have the account name as the first column?
> That would probably also work well.
That's not a built in feature. You can change the format via
--balance-format but the format string is quite long.
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Quoting Jonas Smedegaard :
Great if others would help: I suggest using debian-...@lists.debian.org
(Cc'ed) to coordinate such team maintenance, but agree with Sam that we
better continue this thread on debian-project@lists.debian.org only -
email headers set accordingly.
I'm one of the rather
ome of the greatest tools to heal what
was wounded.
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ver already use it and help stabilizing it by triaging
and/or fixing bugs. I bet it won't take too long. And there likely won't
be any major changes since then anymore.
[1] https://release.debian.org/
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donations in the EU zone.
Wir, das Debian-Schatzmeister-Team, wissen davon und der Debian-Projekt-
Leiter wurde informiert. Bis diese Geschichte gelöst ist, empfehlen wir
Debian France (Frankreich) für Spenden in der EU-Zone.
> https://www.debian.org/donations.en.html#debianfrance
Beste Grüße,
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due to what I read here. I told
my sponsor and he understood.
Thanks,
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Dear Daniel.
Daniel Pocock - 04.02.19, 07:29:
> On 03/02/2019 11:02, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Daniel Pocock - 03.02.19, 08:38:
> >> This reveals a lot about the serious problems in Debian right now.
> >> Did we really sign up to be part of an experimen
ally up to me whether I even respond to any further mails like
this one.
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if he followed the
recent example of Mr Jackson and issued an unreserved apology and
retraction sooner rather than later.
A response that comprises prevarication, retaliation and retribution
would be disastrous, please do the right thing.
Best regards,
Martin
that so far no news site I am ware of seems
to have picked this up and I hope it stays that way.
Thanks,
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Ms run Devuan since a few months and I am
happy so far.
[1] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Thanks,
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have a complete picture, I wonder whether anyone has. So
I just let it be as that for now.
Thanks,
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be also one about mediation.
I have read the the KDE project had something about non-violent
communication in their last KDE Academy event.
It appears challenging to me to sort out the issues about the recent
Code of Conduct enforcement actions without communicating face to face
or at least via voice.
Thanks,
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t the Debian project.
Ciao,
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hypothetical cases.
Thanks,
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.
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"academia is really just a way to help those with high volumes of
nothing to say to social s
that the issue would be
analysed once the waters had calmed. No such analysis ever happened.
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"sometimes the
person or at
least in some kind of voice conference call. Maybe with a help of a
mediator, who is clearly not involved with the issue to be cleared up.
Continuing accusations on this list are, in my point of view, not going
to help healing what has been wounded.
Best,
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or the use of their powers.
Thanks for your attention,
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respond immediately. I totally get that it can be challenging. I
experienced that need often enough. Yet I still highly recommend it.
Have a wonderful, peaceful holiday time however you choose to celebrate
it.
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Hi,
just testing the waters, whether this is something people like or not:
As we all know, false PGP keys can easily be forged for any given
email address and uploaded to key servers. We've been there, even with
the correct short key ids and equally faked signatures!
One way to help senders
* Martin Michlmayr [2018-07-07 00:52]:
> I'm happy for SPI to sign this. Can you please prepare the official
> letter?
Any update on this?
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* Ian Jackson [2018-04-19 14:53]:
> > Thanks for running with this. I am happy with the content and with
> > your name at the bottom.
> I will wait a bit now to see what SPI says.
I'm happy for SPI to sign this. Can you please prepare the official
letter?
(Sorry for the del
* Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> [2018-05-24 18:39]:
> Martin, sorry to press you, but when should we expect to hear from
> SPI, please ? Or should we keep polling every few weeks ?
I'm sorry for the delay. I was close on catching up on my TODO list
when I wrote m
funding that group subscription from our own funds?
I believe lamby is working on finding a new sponsor but I don't
know the status.
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* Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> [2018-05-02 16:42]:
> > I'll discuss with the SPI board.
>
> When should we expect to hear from you ?
I'm not sure. I had a deadline a few days ago and I'm just catching
up on my TODO list.
How urgent is this?
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led kernel.
Its getting somewhat off-topic here as its not about what the project can do
anymore. Well it could provide some defaults, probably.
Thanks,
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ore aggressively. People with tiling window managers and minimal,
mostly console tool based desktops may have an advantage here.
Thanks,
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For your convenience my mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 13:53:34 +0100
> quoted the thing again.
>
> There's one bugfix: "the the" should read "the".
Ok, thanks.
I'll discuss with the SPI board.
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that post, right?
> not, who should we ask for further legal advice ? Michael Schultheiss
> suggested SFLC but I don't think that any involvement of Debian or SPI
> with SFLC is or would be appropriate.
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Colin Watson - 19.04.18, 01:42:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:28:44PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Did I get this right that you think that a person can be a problem
> > that possibly would have to be removed from the project?
> >
> > If so I heavily disagree wit
be different
parties to begin with but that is another story).
There is no wrongdoer, there are just human beings or… souls who play
the game of human experience.
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ithout the notion that emotional support for a person means something
bad or negative about the person who receives the support).
> formal transfer of one or more forms of authority held by some of the
> disputants.
[…]
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hat, at the least, "anti-harassment" is the wrong
> name for a team that deals with this.
I think what would be beneficial here is more along the lines of
mediation.
Thanks,
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Martin Steigerwald - 28.12.17, 13:41:
> Hello.
>
> This is long, it may invite disagreement, but I tried my best to avoid
> triggering any hurt feelings. In case you just want to be bothered with the
do not want of course.
I proof read the mail several times, but this still slippe
to relive the past.
Given current human experience it is also not possible to change it. But maybe
there is a way toward healing wounds.
Ian Jackson - 28.12.17, 11:20:
> Martin Steigerwald writes ("Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by
Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee&qu
ond "I am right and you are wrong".
This needs letting go of blame. I am not yet there, I just recently started to
let go of blame (but in other, for me more important areas of live for now).
Who is? Who truly let go of blaming the other side in this discussion?
Have a Merry Christmas,
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gure out how to get them over. On the other hand,
I think it'd be a better use of Debian funds just to print them
there.
If nothing else, then I'll take the banners to 34c3, where Holger
has agreed to take them over.
Thanks a lot for your offer though.
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Sent too quickly… there are also DebConf shirts from the following
years: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 (+orga), 2009 (+orga), 2011, 2014
(+orga), 2015 (+orga), 2016. All Men's L. Same principle as with the
other shirts. Sorry for the spam, if you perceive this as such.
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,
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minchinhampton (n.): the expression on a man's face when he has just
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Dear Russ, dear Sam, dear people involved with Debian,
Russ Allbery - 28.10.17, 16:13:
> Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> writes:
> > I always found that just focusing on the technical aspects of the Init
> > system discussion left out… everything else. Eve
for me is the answer to the question: How can such a safe place
look like in a community that is spread around the globe and can often only
connect via the means of the internet?
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Conf15 still, but they aren't in the
balance sheet and thus officially written off. I'll leave it up to
the DebConf people and/or DPL to decide how much they're worth in
terms of sellings vs. giving away.
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these to
anywhere outside Europe.
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"when a woman marries again it is because she d
Hello,
I can confirm this email as spam. Please Alex, stop it.
Bye, Mt.
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:41:44AM +0530, Alex Nordeen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know my emails could be coming off as harassment due to my persistence.
>
> But I have nothing but good intentions.
>
> Please reply if you do not
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On 2017-06-14 13:06, Chris Lamb wrote:
>> Well over 50% have marked CLAs of some type of importance. Isn't
>> that high?
> Yes, I would have guessed much lower. I would hope it was due to a
> philosophical reaction to assigning copyright to
>
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On 2017-06-06 19:23, Chris Lamb wrote:
> GitHub recently published the announcements of their 2017 Open
> Source Survey:
>
> http://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/
>
>
> I was wondering whether any fellow developers had read this and
> whether they
Hello Martin.
martin f krafft - 02.05.17, 07:39:
> and the product we ordered was
>
> Stanley,STTM528/STTW006,"Leads2,"Loves",Biobaumwolle
> + Fairtrade,Kids STTB938,"paints"
>
> at 4.79 €/piece. Printing was 2 € each, as well 30 € or so one-ti
Gunnar Wolf - 01.05.17, 23:44:
> Martin Steigerwald dijo [Mon, May 01, 2017 at 10:13:58PM +0200]:
> > > Make it fair-trade and printed by people with disabilities, like
> > > we did for DC15, and it was somewhere around $8. I'd still buy
> > > a
also sprach martin f krafft <madd...@debian.org> [2017-05-01 21:37 +0200]:
> Make it fair-trade and printed by people with disabilities, like
> we did for DC15, and it was somewhere around $8.
Since people have asked off-list: the contractor that Daniel Lange
identified was
Carita
it (i.e. the price is right), then everyone benefits…
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it is ok to let your mind go blank, but p
s it and so
on. I just tested access to wiki from link on debian.org and directly by
typing wiki.debian.org on Debian unstable and this works.
Thanks and have a merry christmas,
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On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 10:53:34 CEST Vincent Bernat wrote:
> ❦ 21 mai 2016 10:24 +0200, Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> :
> > Still, the turn around time between upstream and debian release would be
> > quite high for Debian stable users, but maybe part of suc
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 11:13:41 CEST Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:07:43AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > I wonder about a landing page for upstreams interested in working with the
> > Debian project to provide packages within the official Debian repos
On Samstag, 21. Mai 2016 10:24:22 CEST Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> I wonder about some kind of adopt an upstream within a Debian team kind of
> approach. A landing page and mailing list where upstream can write in for
> getting help and advice and voicing their needs. And when there a
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