Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 10:55:10PM -0500, Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > "Karsten M. Self" writes: <...> > > I don't dislike emacs keybindings per se (I find most legacy MS > > Windows- centric word processors unusable because I expect to find > > C-a, C-e, C-k, C-p, C-n, C-s, C-r, e

RE: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I really agree with this. I find 'info' very frustrating; [...] > As to what to do about it, I can only suggest > "reinstate the man pages in full". I know it's > not 'kosher' to disagreee with the GNU "info > policy", but I think that those who do di

Re: User process killer script..

2001-12-25 Thread k l u r t
On Wednesday 26 December 2001 07:34 am, Petre Daniel wrote: > Ok,i promise next year i'll take a look on the many shell scripting > tutorials, but until then i need a script that checks periodically for > processes belonging to users not presently logged in and kills them.Like > someone would leave

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Brian Nelson
"Karsten M. Self" writes: > on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > "Karsten M. Self" writes: > > > > > - It's (largely) bound to a specific viewer. Which, if you don't use > > > emacs, isn't particularly usable, and is about as intuitive

Re: kernel compile problems

2001-12-25 Thread Sean Johnson
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:43:46 +0100 David Gardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <--snip--> > >So, is there some sort of problem with kernel compiles here recently? > >I notice we got new gcc packages yesterday... > > > >Running: sid, up to date as of 12/25. > > > >john. > > > Are you using debian

Re: Shell script for clients email broadcast..

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 03:55:41AM -0800, Petre Daniel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Ok,this may sound a bit twisted but i dont know very well shell scripting > and i have the following problem: > i have around 700 accounts on my school server and i want to send email to > everyone of them from

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 06:32:31PM -0800, Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Carl Fink wrote: > > > BTW, for HTML docs, put them all in *one* file with hyperlinks. There is no > > meaningful advantage to cutting it into twenty pieces, and it makes > > searching significantly more difficu

Re: Shell script for clients email broadcast..

2001-12-25 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya petre if you create the [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...than everybody else can also send out spam to all the 700 accounts - you probably wanna use a moderated mailing list so that only authorized people can send out emails to everybody "simple" way is all relative to the wa

User process killer script..

2001-12-25 Thread Petre Daniel
Ok,i promise next year i'll take a look on the many shell scripting tutorials,but until then i need a script that checks periodically for processes belonging to users not presently logged in and kills them.Like someone would leave a wget in background..and i want it after the user logs out to b

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Craig Dickson
Carl Fink wrote: > BTW, for HTML docs, put them all in *one* file with hyperlinks. There is no > meaningful advantage to cutting it into twenty pieces, and it makes > searching significantly more difficult. For locally-stored docs that's arguable. The advantage of small files comes when you have

Re: Shell script for clients email broadcast..

2001-12-25 Thread Christoph Simon
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:55:41 -0800 Petre Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok,this may sound a bit twisted but i dont know very well shell scripting > and i have the following problem: > i have around 700 accounts on my school server and i want to send email to > everyone of them from time to

Re: OT(Merry Christmas)

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 01:37:28PM +0100, Thomas Wegner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Only 365 shopping days left > Hello! > > Merry Christmas for everybody on this list. I whish you a calm christmas > and a healthy new year. And thank you for your greate community. > > T

Re: What's a debian kid look like?

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001, Phillip Deackes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Phillip Deackes wrote: > > > On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > > > > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mai

Shell script for clients email broadcast..

2001-12-25 Thread Petre Daniel
Ok,this may sound a bit twisted but i dont know very well shell scripting and i have the following problem: i have around 700 accounts on my school server and i want to send email to everyone of them from time to time with news related to the school and stuff.. I thought i can make an account and

Re: The Info v. Man War of 2001 (was Re: Where do you RTFM ?)

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 05:28:56PM -0600, Bud Rogers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tuesday 25 December 2001 16:52 pm, Henrik Enberg wrote: > > > But none of the current browsers I'm aware of has the index and > > searching facilities that info has. When I'm stuck with html > > documentation I'm

Re: Twin towers (was Re: Where do you RTFM ?)

2001-12-25 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 04:42:20PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 12:40:46AM +0100, Carel Fellinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: ... > > I was only surprised by the vehement nature of your dislikes, but > > I think I see. The main problem you and others have with info are:

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 05:00:36PM -, Ted Harding wrote: > As to what to do about it, I can only suggest > "reinstate the man pages in full". I know it's > not 'kosher' to disagreee with the GNU "info > policy", but I think that those who do disagree > should say so. After all, it'a a Free and

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Wendell Cochran
> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 15:25:09 -0500 (EST) > From: David Teague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [snip] > Html information browsed with a decent TEXT mode browser that is > intuitive (OK I know one man's intuitive is another's nightmare) . . > . [snip] Off topic, & drifting . . . . One of the greatest s

Re: new mutt index/thread format

2001-12-25 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Brian Potkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2001.12.24.0008 +0100]: > This is something I had also intended looking into so your message > prompted me to go through my mail backlog. The patch mentioned is, I > believe, now available. $hide_missing is interesting, but it almost doesn't do anythi

Re: How to read CD label?

2001-12-25 Thread Michael Mauch
Neal Lippman wrote: > Is there any utility that can give me the lablel on a CD (mouinted or > unmounted - doesn't matter to me). isoinfo -d -i /dev/cdrom isoinfo is part of mkisofs. Or this script ("cd-info"): #!/bin/bash RD=${1:-/dev/cdrom} for i in 32768,7 32776,32 32808,32 32958,128 33

Re: ISO Images

2001-12-25 Thread dx
you can try http://www.linuxiso.org/ - Original Message - From: "k l u r t" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul A. Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: Re: ISO Images > On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Paul A. Thomas wrote: > > > Newbie question if I may? > >

RE: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Ted Harding
On 25-Dec-01 Imre Vida wrote: > [snip] > The major sources of help/information for me are > the apropos, the -h/--help options and the man pages. > These are fast and efficient means to find what i want > most of the time. > > As far as info is concerned, i fully agree with Karsten. > It doesn't

Twin towers (was Re: Where do you RTFM ?)

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 12:40:46AM +0100, Carel Fellinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:38:49PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:44:17AM +0100, Carel Fellinger ([EMAIL > > PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 03:07:41PM -0800, Kars

Re: nfs root mount problem

2001-12-25 Thread J.A.Serralheiro
well, I alreadyt made a floppy but now im starting from pure dos using .com programs. In fact when I tried to copy it to the floopy i had the similar problems as u describe, but I compiled the boot1a.bin program so I could copy it to the floppy with the cat utility. I cant remember how I did

Re: What's a debian kid look like?

2001-12-25 Thread Erik Steffl
Phillip Deackes wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:21:27 -0800 > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Phillip Deackes wrote: > > > > > > On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > > > > > > > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and for

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 03:16:15PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 12:01:43AM +0100, Carel Fellinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: ... > > I see. So you're surprised by all those web pages that have next, and > > previous buttons too:) > > Previously addressed: there is a

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:38:49PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:44:17AM +0100, Carel Fellinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 03:07:41PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > ... > > > I ***DESPISE*** info. The pinfo alternative helps somewhat,

Re: What's a debian kid look like?

2001-12-25 Thread Phillip Deackes
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 14:21:27 -0800 Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Phillip Deackes wrote: > > > > On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > > > > > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone > > > to use it, I'd be pretty

Re: The Info v. Man War of 2001 (was Re: Where do you RTFM ?)

2001-12-25 Thread Bud Rogers
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 16:52 pm, Henrik Enberg wrote: > But none of the current browsers I'm aware of has the index and > searching facilities that info has. When I'm stuck with html > documentation I'm always extremely annoyed about how hard it is to find > what I'm looking for. Me too.

Re: Galeon and Java

2001-12-25 Thread Walter Hofmann
On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Sridhar M.A. wrote: > After that I assumed that the pages that would not display earlier would > come out properly. I was wrong :-( I tried the subscription page of > www.pcquest.com for credit card transaction and contact us page of > www.citibank.co.in. Both return blank pag

Automatic download from secure site?

2001-12-25 Thread mdevin
I am looking for a way to automate some downloading from my banks secure site. I am a customer and have a login account and password. I can login and view the page with my account details etc. But I would like to be able to setup a program to do this on a daily basis and download the page to my

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 12:01:43AM +0100, Carel Fellinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:41:19PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:57:27PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > dman writes: > > > > Personally it is the emacs-ce

Re: /dev/dsp not found: KDE/ALSA - pls help!

2001-12-25 Thread Stephan Hachinger
Hello! Sorry for posting the whole message on the list w/o snipping, but I think some parts of the thread did not make it into the mailing list and now I really have no ideas anymore what is going wrong here :(. KDE doesn't recognize /dev/dsp but in fact, everything else seems to be ok etc... Has

Re: The Info v. Man War of 2001 (was Re: Where do you RTFM ?)

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 11:52:45PM +0100, Henrik Enberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > "Karsten M. Self" writes: > > > on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 01:07:23PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > >> I thought you were a man page enthusiast. Now you want html > >> documentation? IMH

Re: ssh and X

2001-12-25 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Jens Müller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > Since upgrading to Woody, X forwarding over ssh does not work any > longer, which is a bad thing, since I cannot run X programs as > super-user now. Check that you allow X11 forwarding and root login ("yes", not "without password") on the server.

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 12:51:09PM -0600, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 05:24:26PM +0100, Imre Vida wrote: > > The lack of manpages, and outdated manpages are frustrating. > > And what Karsten brought up is also a nice idea: > > to have examples in man pages.

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:41:19PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:57:27PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > dman writes: > > > Personally it is the emacs-centric interface. > > > > What is emacs-centric about (N)ext, (P)revious, (U)p, (S)earch, and EN

Re: The Info v. Man War of 2001 (was Re: Where do you RTFM ?)

2001-12-25 Thread Henrik Enberg
"Karsten M. Self" writes: > on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 01:07:23PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: >> I thought you were a man page enthusiast. Now you want html >> documentation? IMHO html is a lousy choice. > > It's a well known standard. I know a lot of people (including many

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > "Karsten M. Self" writes: > > > - It's (largely) bound to a specific viewer. Which, if you don't use > > emacs, isn't particularly usable, and is about as intuitive > > as...well, emacs. This has chan

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* Imre Vida ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > hi, > > i just read the (sub)thread above on man v. info > and i thought it is much more important than > to have it hidden in there. So i thought i try > to pick it up again. > > The major sources of help/information for me are > the apropos, th

Man deprecated, Info not there, -doc package? (was Re: Where do you RTFM ?)

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 08:07:40AM -0600, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:21:55AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 03:54:36AM -0200, Christoph Simon ([EMAIL > > PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:38:49 -0800 > > > "Karsten

The Info v. Man War of 2001 (was Re: Where do you RTFM ?)

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 01:07:23PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I wrote: > > What is emacs-centric about (N)ext, (P)revious, (U)p, (S)earch, and ENTER? > > Karsten M. Self writes: > > How about the fact that NPU have no relationship to your _own_ path > > through the documentati

Re: What's a debian kid look like?

2001-12-25 Thread Erik Steffl
Phillip Deackes wrote: > > On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > > > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone to > > use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idiocy within the > > business. I did not write that, it was w

How to read CD label?

2001-12-25 Thread Neal Lippman
Is there any utility that can give me the lablel on a CD (mouinted or unmounted - doesn't matter to me). I generally burn CD's with a volume label (with cdrecord), and I use them to keep track of what is on the CD, especially for backups which I encode with the date of the backup for future ref

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 07:18:08PM +0100, Michael Mauch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Karsten M. Self schrieb: > > > on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:57:27PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > dman writes: > > > > Personally it is the emacs-centric interface. > > > > > > What is e

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 10:06:38AM +, Anthony Campbell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 24 Dec 2001, Gary Turner wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:07:41 -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > > >on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 06:37:25PM +0100, Martin Emrich ([EMAIL > > >PROTECTED]) wrote: > > >> Hi All

Re: What's a debian kid look like?

2001-12-25 Thread Dimitri Maziuk
* csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly: > On Monday 24 December 2001 11:19, Brian Nelson wrote: > > > it happens quite a bunch as some of the most capable debianers are > > > unfortunately stuck with jobs that force them to use windoze > > > machines. > > > > Assuming most of us live in so-called "

Re: agpgart -module not loaded automatically

2001-12-25 Thread mikepolniak
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:17:09 +0100 Gerald Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello to all! > > I finally got my Xpert 2000 card to work propoerly at an even higher > frequency than the wicked Windows-driver :)). > The only thing that bothers me now, is that the agpgart module isn't > loaded

lib-fop-java

2001-12-25 Thread Jens Müller
Does anyone know where I can get a more recent deb?

slm

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Re: problem with Debian woody freeze (possibly eepro 100 problem)

2001-12-25 Thread Faheem Mitha
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, David Flatz wrote: > Faheem Mitha said: > > when I try to run apt (apt-get whatever) which downloads files off the > > net, it works fine for a bit, but then comes to a grinding halt, and > > completely freezes the machine. After this not even the power button > > responds.

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread David Teague
Karsten I LIKE emacs. We were using vi as our only text editor with System V machines in the late 80s. I found and installed Emacs, within one week everyone on my faculty was using emacs. That said, every other point you make here is RIGHT ON. I find info to be arcane, inspite of its keystrokes

Re: kernel compile problems

2001-12-25 Thread Craig Dickson
David Gardi wrote: > Are you using debian unstable, and using binutils? > If so, your best bet would be to downgrade binutils to the latest > stable. I had the same problem. *shudder* No need to go back that far! Sid's binutils from late November (2.11.92.0.10-4) seems to work fine. You can get i

Re: kernel compile problems

2001-12-25 Thread Craig Dickson
Sean Johnson wrote: > The current binutils in sid is fine for compiling 2.4.17 (latest 2.4.x > stable kernel). No, it isn't. This has come up a few times already just in the few days since 2.4.17 came out. Depending on your kernel configuration, you may still run into the same problems that peopl

Re: mozilla 0.9.7 <-> galeon

2001-12-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 08:04:11PM +0100, johan30 wrote: > On Tuesday 25 December 2001 19:50, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 06:21:24PM +0100, johan boeckx wrote: > > > Possible that with the most recent update of mozilla (0.9.7) there are > > > problems with the dependences with g

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread MH
> "Imre" == Imre Vida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Imre> As far as info is concerned, i fully agree with Karsten. It Imre> doesn't work intuitively for me either; i just get lost in Imre> the maze of links and 3 sentence pages I hate it for Imre> this. It's not man versu

Re: kernel compile problems

2001-12-25 Thread Sean Johnson
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 19:43:46 +0100 David Gardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <--snip--> > >So, is there some sort of problem with kernel compiles here recently? > >I notice we got new gcc packages yesterday... > > > >Running: sid, up to date as of 12/25. > > > >john. > > > Are you using debian

Re: What's a debian kid look like?

2001-12-25 Thread David Teague
Age 64, retired CS Prof, PhD Math '65, 2 kids in their 30s, married the third time, happy this time, (15 years) musician (double bass) community orch, some attempted solo work. LOTS of cats. Computing began in 1957 with an IBM 650 borrowed for use by students night by Math and Stat Depts from the

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > What is emacs-centric about (N)ext, (P)revious, (U)p, (S)earch, and ENTER? Karsten M. Self writes: > How about the fact that NPU have no relationship to your _own_ path through > the documentation tree... What does that have to do with my question? > ...as they would in, say, a web br

ssh and X

2001-12-25 Thread Jens Müller
Since upgrading to Woody, X forwarding over ssh does not work any longer, which is a bad thing, since I cannot run X programs as super-user now. Does anyone know what has changed?

Re: mozilla 0.9.7 <-> galeon

2001-12-25 Thread johan30
On Tuesday 25 December 2001 19:50, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 06:21:24PM +0100, johan boeckx wrote: > > Possible that with the most recent update of mozilla (0.9.7) there are > > problems with the dependences with galeon. ? > > Yes. galeon needs to be updated (#126399, #126401).

Re: boot floppy doesn't work

2001-12-25 Thread David Teague
Alvin I have used dd in addtion to the cp command in my message. I always rdev a kernel on floppy to make it know where root is. Swap too, thought I think swap is set on boot up. I have used sys linux, but that is SLOOO booting. Grub is hard for me because it uses strange disk number

Re: man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 05:24:26PM +0100, Imre Vida wrote: > The lack of manpages, and outdated manpages are frustrating. > And what Karsten brought up is also a nice idea: > to have examples in man pages. There are some manpages with examples > but most of them are without although they are rea

Re: mozilla 0.9.7 <-> galeon

2001-12-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 06:21:24PM +0100, johan boeckx wrote: > Possible that with the most recent update of mozilla (0.9.7) there are > problems with the dependences with galeon. ? Yes. galeon needs to be updated (#126399, #126401). -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTE

Re: kernel compile problems

2001-12-25 Thread David Gardi
John S. J. Anderson wrote: >Greetings -- > >I've been setting up a new Athlon system (thanks Santa!), and I've >been having some kernel compile issues (linker bombing out, mainly). > >I was chalking it up to some Athlon quirk (power supply, cooling, >etc.), but just on the off chance I tried to r

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Michael Mauch
Karsten M. Self schrieb: > on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:57:27PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > dman writes: > > > Personally it is the emacs-centric interface. > > > > What is emacs-centric about (N)ext, (P)revious, (U)p, (S)earch, and ENTER? > > How about the fact that NPU h

Re: cdrecord problems

2001-12-25 Thread Michael Mauch
Patrik Modesto wrote: > Dec 18 19:18:16 mody kernel: hdd: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady > SeekComplete DataRequest } > Dec 18 19:18:16 mody kernel: hdd: drive not ready for command > Dec 18 19:18:16 mody kernel: hdd: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady > SeekComplete DataRequest } > De

cheap Debian books at Ebay

2001-12-25 Thread Guenter Bechly
Dear Debian friends, maybe you remember me as an active former Debian developer who left the project some months ago. I now sell all my Debian and Linux literature on Ebay and therefore would like to inform you about the concerning links. These books and journals are certainly very valuable for ma

agpgart -module not loaded automatically

2001-12-25 Thread Gerald Richter
Hello to all! I finally got my Xpert 2000 card to work propoerly at an even higher frequency than the wicked Windows-driver :)). The only thing that bothers me now, is that the agpgart module isn't loaded automatically, while the r128 is... If I start the X-server without loading the agpgart-modu

kernel compile problems

2001-12-25 Thread John S. J. Anderson
Greetings -- I've been setting up a new Athlon system (thanks Santa!), and I've been having some kernel compile issues (linker bombing out, mainly). I was chalking it up to some Athlon quirk (power supply, cooling, etc.), but just on the off chance I tried to re-compile a kernel on my old Celeron

Re: What's a debian kid look like?

2001-12-25 Thread Guy Geens
I'm a 29-year old `kid', living in Belgium. I have a degree in engineering, but I'm now employed as an IT consultant. (Meaning: I write programs for use by large corporations.) I've been into computing since 1983, when my uncle bought me a ZX Spectrum. Later, I switched to an Atari ST, and finally

Re: Sending faxes with efax as a normal user

2001-12-25 Thread Guy Geens
> "Neilen" == Neilen Marais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Neilen> The permissions on /var/lock are: Neilen> drwxr-xr-t 3 root root 1024 Dec 21 17:18 /var/lock/ Neilen> so, users should not be allowed to write. I assume its this Neilen> way for a reason. On my system, I have this: [EMAIL PROTE

mozilla 0.9.7 <-> galeon

2001-12-25 Thread johan boeckx
Possible that with the most recent update of mozilla (0.9.7) there are problems with the dependences with galeon. ? thx, Johan Boeckx

Debian books

2001-12-25 Thread Dr . Günter Bechly
Dear Debian friends, maybe you remember me as an active former Debian developer who left the project some months ago. I now sell all my Debian and Linux literature on Ebay and therefore would like to inform you about the concerning links. These books and journals are certainly very valuable for ma

Re: Plip problems: do I need NFS server?

2001-12-25 Thread Michael Heldebrant
On Tue, 2001-12-25 at 05:24, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 24 Dec 2001, Michael Heldebrant wrote: > > On Mon, 2001-12-24 at 03:36, Anthony Campbell wrote: > > > I'm trying to set up plip on my desktop and laptop. Plip now runs, but > > > I'm not sure how to continue. > > > > > > I'm working through

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Brian Nelson
"Karsten M. Self" writes: > - It's (largely) bound to a specific viewer. Which, if you don't use > emacs, isn't particularly usable, and is about as intuitive > as...well, emacs. This has changed as additional viewers are > avilable (e.g.: pinfo -- based on lynx...but, of course,

man v. info

2001-12-25 Thread Imre Vida
hi, i just read the (sub)thread above on man v. info and i thought it is much more important than to have it hidden in there. So i thought i try to pick it up again. The major sources of help/information for me are the apropos, the -h/--help options and the man pages. These are fast and effici

Dial-up

2001-12-25 Thread chidambaram_ram
Syslog reads as follows : pppd 2.3.11 started by root. Can't get terminal parameters: Input/output error. Connect script failed. How do you correct these errors, pl. Ramachandran

Re: Anyone know what has happened to uk.debian.org

2001-12-25 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 24 Dec 2001, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 02:04:06PM +, David Goodenough wrote: > > It seems to have vanished. The FTP and HTTP servers both seem to be > > down. Is this planned downtime or just a feature of the Christmas > > break? > > Looks like it's back now. That mach

Re: Move from RedHat to Debian

2001-12-25 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 24 Dec 2001, Rodney D. Myers wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 25-Dec-2001 Petre Daniel wrote: > > I'll probably try a "spare" machine using debian, and see how that goes. > > Thanks > A good way to do it. I had some spare room on my disk and ran the two in par

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 24 Dec 2001, Gary Turner wrote: > On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:07:41 -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > >on Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 06:37:25PM +0100, Martin Emrich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >wrote: > >> Hi All ! > >> > >> When newbies ask something, they are often asked to RTFM... > > > >I consider this ac

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:21:55AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 03:54:36AM -0200, Christoph Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:38:49 -0800 > > "Karsten M. Self" wrote: > > > ...followed by dire warnings that the manpage may not be updated,

Mail clients & Lock-in (was Re: What's a debian kid look like?)

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 11:53:42AM +, Phillip Deackes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > > > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone to > > use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idioc

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 02:52:46AM -0800, Erik Steffl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > "Karsten M. Self" wrote: > > > > on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 03:54:36AM -0200, Christoph Simon ([EMAIL > > PROTECTED]) wrote: > ... > > > One of the declared aims of info is to provide a frame to write > > > introducti

[OT]Tcp wrappers

2001-12-25 Thread irvine . russell
Hello all I have 2 questions that relate to tcp wrappers. 1) How exactly are the files hosts.allow and hosts.deny read. >From what I have read, it works as follows: hosts.allow is read first. The first rule that applies to the host trying to make a connection is applied. If no rule

Re: What's a debian kid look like?

2001-12-25 Thread lee
> Quite radical. I'm just curious. I've never used Windows for Net access > (browsing, email, etc.) Is the One Microsoft Way really the only way? > I've heard / read there are non-Outlook options like Eudora, Pegasus, > AOL, etc. Are all these really crap? I didn't see the Microsfot logo in > the

Re: What's a debian kid look like?

2001-12-25 Thread Phillip Deackes
On 24 Dec 2001 17:44:44 -0500 > Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, but when a business chooses degenerate mail and forces everyone to > use it, I'd be pretty suspicious of high-level idiocy within the > business. It is about *choice* not just your choice but that of others working in

Re: Making installation cd from cached files

2001-12-25 Thread Imre Vida
sorry for the late response apt-move is a nice tool but i usually just use the rather simple approach you asked about take the files in the /var/cache/apt/archives and transfer them to the other computers (i mean, transfer them to /var/cache/apt/archives on the target PC) > but what file is the

Re: Plip problems: do I need NFS server?

2001-12-25 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 24 Dec 2001, Michael Heldebrant wrote: > On Mon, 2001-12-24 at 03:36, Anthony Campbell wrote: > > I'm trying to set up plip on my desktop and laptop. Plip now runs, but > > I'm not sure how to continue. > > > > I'm working through the NFS Howto, with moderate success only. Anything > > else I s

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Erik Steffl
"Karsten M. Self" wrote: > > on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 03:54:36AM -0200, Christoph Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: ... > > One of the declared aims of info is to provide a frame to write > > introductions or tutorials which wouldn't fit well into a man page, > > because that is limited to a refe

Re: Where do you RTFM ?

2001-12-25 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 03:54:36AM -0200, Christoph Simon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:38:49 -0800 > "Karsten M. Self" wrote: > > > - It attempts to replace, not augment, an existing, established, > > viable, useful, and effective standard. This is almost always a b

Problems with GnuPG

2001-12-25 Thread Viktor Rosenfeld
Hi there, slightly off-topic, but it happened on a Debian system and maybe some of you know the answer. I just lost both my secret and public GnuPG keyrings for the second time. I've been using GnuPG along with mutt for about three month now, and today mutt complained that it couldn't find my se

OT: PVR - Wouldn't this be cool

2001-12-25 Thread Paul McHale
I suspect Tivo doesn't make a lot of money from the direct sale. Probably make more money from monthly subscription. If this is true, it would be awesome if they started a Tivo linux distribution. Here is the dream. You take your old PC. Add a supported MPEG encoder/decoder card such as wintv

Re: https with galeon/mozilla

2001-12-25 Thread Sridhar M.A.
On Mon, Dec 24, 2001 at 08:27:13PM -0600, Michael Heldebrant wrote: > > Are you trying to use a proxy that is munging your https connections > under linux? > Thanks, that did it. Contacted the isp and got the settings. It is working fine now. -- Sridhar M.A.

Re: networking interfaces map-scheme

2001-12-25 Thread David Z Maze
Lance Hoffmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: LH> I am having problems getting ipmasq working with 2.4.14 kernel and LH> iptables so I wanted to created two interfaces for one of my machines LH> until I get ipmasq working properly. LH> LH> One interface is a standalone for internet use LH> One int