Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Carl Fink
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 09:13:05AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > People process information differently. Apparently, few find it more > efficient to process it in reverse order. That being so, I'll > continue to bottom post in this forum, if only to accommodate the LCD. Just out of curiosity:

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Marty
Guillaume TESSIER wrote: Apt can fonction without [apt.conf]. Unless you have specific network settings (like access through proxy) then you don't need it. Either its an empty file either it's not there. If you use testing it might be there of not depending of the moment of your upgrade. Tha

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
John Hasler said: > Marty writes: >> This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf >> file. > > toncho/~ 1 ls /etc/apt > apt-file.conf apt.conf.d listchanges.conf sources.list [EMAIL PROTECTED] pad]$ ls /etc/apt apt.conf.d sources.list -- /phil -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: kernel upgrade from 2.4.18-bf2.4 to 2.6.x

2005-06-10 Thread Mark
Juhani Pöyry wrote: > Hi, > > I'm running kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 on my computers. Filesystem is RaiserFS > 3.6.25. What I need to do for upgrading kernel to 2.6.x > > Juhani Pöyry > > If you are going to build the kernel from source, don't forget to also build Reiserfs into the kernel. If you wi

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread John Hasler
Marty writes: > This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf > file. toncho/~ 1 ls /etc/apt apt-file.conf apt.conf.d listchanges.conf sources.list -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAI

defoma/ghostscript/fontconfig/cups mess

2005-06-10 Thread Kirill
I am trying to set up an HPLJ 1012 to print from KDE apps (KWord, Konqueror) using CUPS. I am getting most fonts messed up by ghostscript (gs-esp). I've been struggling with it for a whole week now with very little progress so far. I have very hard time believing that I'm the only one experiencing

I think I have a bug!!

2005-06-10 Thread ROBIN KRISE
I am not very techno wiz on this computer so please forgive my novice approach.  I do believe I have a bug.  I tried to access my email at yahoo.com  ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and it came up with "you have a bug"...report to but report.  I did a search and came up with you guys and you may totally

kernel upgrade from 2.4.18-bf2.4 to 2.6.x

2005-06-10 Thread Juhani Pöyry
Hi, I'm running kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 on my computers. Filesystem is RaiserFS 3.6.25. What I need to do for upgrading kernel to 2.6.x Juhani Pöyry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Sudden constant spoofing of my address

2005-06-10 Thread Ralph Katz
On 06/10/2005 04:20 AM, Anthony Campbell wrote: > Since last night my in-box is being filled up by dozens of bounced > messages. Evidently someone or something is spoofing my address and > sending out bogus messages. I normally get a few of these and mark them > as spam, but this is ridiculous. Is

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Marty wrote: Colin Ingram wrote: On a side note: I installed sarge fresh a couple of months ago and I didn't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file or /etc/apt/preferences. I created both by hand. This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. I wonder how apt can

Debian version and apt.conf (was Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it)

2005-06-10 Thread Marty
Clive Menzies wrote: On (10/06/05 13:13), Marty wrote: This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. I wonder how apt can function without it? In particular, how do you specify your Debian version?! I think it's mainly for situations where you have multiple

Draft FAQ [was Re: Gateway newsgroup problem (redux - long)]

2005-06-10 Thread Tony Rowe
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 04:54:34PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 10, Anthony Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > and how it is meant to be used, specific to this list and which > > propagates to linux.debian.user only, may be a good idea? > Maybe. Do you want to write one? Yup. > Send i

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 12:30 pm, Hubert Chan wrote: > I don't believe I was. I was just trying to give reasons for why I > think that top-posting (in a mailing list context) is not a good thing > to do. I haven't been keeping track of who said what in which post, so I don't know if I responded

Re: lilo message

2005-06-10 Thread Steve =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5?=
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 07:12:51PM +0200 or thereabouts, Stephan Seitz wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:03:13AM -0400, Steve Å wrote: > You're confusing the filesystem directory /boot, where the kernel > image and the boot loader configuration are, and the lilo line > "boot=", which tells lil

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 06:57:36PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: > > So, what is the difference between a duck, Hendrik? It better be good. ;) > > Adam One of the joys of age. You can recycle jokes from fifty years ago, and you find new people to tell them to! This one has a tradidional answer: On

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:02:28AM -0700, Ben Chong wrote: > > So top posting or bottom posting? It's like pornography: if u don't > like it, don't read it. But please don't impose your morality on the > rest of us. > Except that it is not morality. It is practicality in this case. If you want

Don't be a fuddy-duddy...use the software everyone's using...

2005-06-10 Thread Sibyl
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Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Ben Chong
Here's my take: One of the *BSD newsgroups I subscribed to used to be pretty nice. Not too much traffic, helpful people. The last time I went online to ask a question (after some years of absence), and followed up on that question, some @[EMAIL PROTECTED] started whining about my top posting.

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Adam Hardy
On 10/06/05 16:02 Hendrik Boom wrote: It seems this is a problem resolvable by technology. Set the mail reader to start a message display at the bottom of the message. Does anyone know a mail reader that does this? The Mozilla folks may well be persuaded to implement this for Thunderbird (I

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hubert Chan
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:09:26 -0400, Patrick Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > My usual practice, actually, is to edit and interpolate, as if we were > having a conversation. (Did you mean interleave rather than interpolate?) Yes, that is the way things should be. Anyone who bottom posts witho

Re: Pre-Port Usability Question

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 01:30:42PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > If you press F2 or F3 (I forget which) at the boot prompt, it will show > > you how to get a 2.6 kernel. It is that way because 2.4 is consistently > > better across all the architectures that Debian support

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:12:37 -0700 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You've been around too many Outlook Express and Outlook users, then. > Those are the only two clients that encourage top posting by default > and make you strain to post properly, instead of the other way > around. My

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Colin Ingram wrote: Another point : in sources.list : changing testing by stable or testing by sarge returns me error when updating. Like apt can't find the repositories Does someone remember the command to reconfigure to get the choice of mirrors? G I use apt-spy to find mirrors.

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Clive Menzies
On (10/06/05 13:13), Marty wrote: > Colin Ingram wrote: > > >On a side note: I installed sarge fresh a couple of months ago and I > >didn't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file or /etc/apt/preferences. I created > >both by hand. > > > > > > This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking

Re: Eliminating upgrade confusion

2005-06-10 Thread Guillaume TESSIER
Curt Howland wrote: Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is a good way for a lot of people, but maybe not for newbies who think they can create a better way through the exercise of pure rhetoric without benefit of experience. Having been using Debian since 1995, I consider mys

Re: XFree86 packages mess, Xkb broken, how to clean up

2005-06-10 Thread Johan Kullstam
Andrey Andreev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > Some time ago I did something dreadfully stupid on my Debian - I > upgraded a repository, which was trully not meant for installing on a > normal Debian: > > #maemo > deb http://repository.maemo.org/ maemo ossw > deb-src http://repository.maem

Re: Pre-Port Usability Question

2005-06-10 Thread Joey Hess
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > If you press F2 or F3 (I forget which) at the boot prompt, it will show > you how to get a 2.6 kernel. It is that way because 2.4 is consistently > better across all the architectures that Debian supports (not > necessarily true for i386, but true when you consider how

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Marty
Colin Ingram wrote: On a side note: I installed sarge fresh a couple of months ago and I didn't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file or /etc/apt/preferences. I created both by hand. This is all very mysterious to me, all these people lacking an apt.conf file. I wonder how apt can function withou

Re: lilo message

2005-06-10 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:03:13AM -0400, Steve Å wrote: I'm a little confused. How does one determine what partition their /boot is on ? Here is my directory structure in /boot (It looks to me that my boot is root ?); You're confusing the filesystem directory /boot, where the kernel image an

Re: IP Address assigned by ISP, dns set as static?

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Nicholls said: > I've been having a few problems with dns lookups and have been given a > new set up dns servers and not the same ones placed into resolv.conf by > dhcp. > > Obviously if I make a change to resolv.conf, it will be soon-after be >

Re: Lost an LVM group after dist-upgrade. I'm quite lost.

2005-06-10 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 03:36:35PM +0200, M. Maas wrote: Ok, that's cool, here you go: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdb1 1 24321 195358401 8e Linux LVM Looks a lot better right? Except: Yes, that looks right. Yes, but make sure yo

Re: Pre-Port Usability Question

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 09:17:58AM -0600, Dave Babb wrote: > Good Morning, > > > My current distribution of choice is Arch Linux. Arch is too techie for my > daughter, who wants to admin her own system. > > I used jigdo to download all 14 CD images for "Sarge". > That was not necessary. Only

Re: Pre-Port Usability Question

2005-06-10 Thread Lee Braiden
On Friday 10 Jun 2005 16:17, Dave Babb wrote: > I used jigdo to download all 14 CD images for "Sarge". You didn't need to do that. A single CD would be more than enough for a basic install, after which apt will download any packages you ask it for. Just quicker. > Default Kernel still in the

Re: i think I switched to Etch without knowing it

2005-06-10 Thread Colin Ingram
Another point : in sources.list : changing testing by stable or testing by sarge returns me error when updating. Like apt can't find the repositories Does someone remember the command to reconfigure to get the choice of mirrors? G I use apt-spy to find mirrors. You can update the mi

Re: Network IP probem

2005-06-10 Thread alexandar
Thanks, arpwatch is what I want. Jonathan Opperman wrote: Hi Alexandar I think what you are looking for is arpwatch: Arpwatch keeps track of ethernet/ip address pairings apt-cache search arpwatch apt-get install arpwatch Regards, Jonathan On 08 Jun 2005, at 1:07 PM, alexandar wrote: Wh

Pre-Port Usability Question

2005-06-10 Thread Dave Babb
Good Morning, My current distribution of choice is Arch Linux. Arch is too techie for my daughter, who wants to admin her own system. I used jigdo to download all 14 CD images for "Sarge". I backed up her /home/* directory to CD and began the install last night. I'm puzzled. Default Kern

Re: Sudden constant spoofing of my address

2005-06-10 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 10 Jun 2005, Andy Smith wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 09:16:39AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: > > Since last night my in-box is being filled up by dozens of bounced > > messages. Evidently someone or something is spoofing my address and > > sending out bogus messages. > > This is referred

Re: Upgrading to etch

2005-06-10 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 09:58 -0400, Brian Pack wrote: [...] > Then there is the changeover from XFree86 to X.org, which may break *lots* of > stuff. :) > > Any word on the timetable for this switch? http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml That is the X Strike Force news... keep an e

Re: Google Summer of Code

2005-06-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 05:39:50PM +0200, PB wrote: > Massimo Dentico wrote: > >Note that the Liskov Substitution Principle (LSP), that I called harshly > >"sacred" on another mailing-list, > > What is so strange with the substitution principle, > be it in the Liskov variant or in my granny's var

Re: Non destructive NTFS resizing

2005-06-10 Thread Joey Hess
David Mat wrote: > Quick question, is the debian installer, on the Sarge install disc, capable > of eresizing ntfs partitions in a non-destructive manner? Yes. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 12:49 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 11:29:01PM +0200, Lech Karol Paw?aszek wrote: > I've mused in the past about having a thread-analyser that puts back all > the deleted parts of the message (by following the thread back, of course) > and putting togethe

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 11:29:01PM +0200, Lech Karol Paw?aszek wrote: > On Thursday 09 of June 2005 23:06, Graham Smith wrote: > [...] > > I understand the reasons why bottom posting is supposed to be better but > > if I am following the thread, which is normally the case if I'm actually > > readin

IP Address assigned by ISP, dns set as static?

2005-06-10 Thread Cam
You could just write a quick script that writes a good resolv.conf file, and then stick it in your system-wide crontab. I don't know how often it would need to run, but it should be pretty trivial. Good luck, Cameron Matheson On 6/10/05, David Nicholls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP

IP Address assigned by ISP, dns set as static?

2005-06-10 Thread David Nicholls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've got a few Debian (sarge) boxes connected to isp's via either ADSL modems (dlink dsl-300t's) or with a internal pci adsl modems. I've been having a few problems with dns lookups and have been given a new set up dns servers and not the same on

Re: KDE 3.4

2005-06-10 Thread Piero Piutti
On Friday 10 June 2005 12:46, Phil Dyer wrote: > Piero Piutti said: > > deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./ > > There's a kde-3.4.1 there now too. I've just finished the update from 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 and it works just so nicely! I guess that anybody wishing to get the latest KDE can up

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
Joe Potter wrote: That, of course, is the main point you made. I put all this in the lap of Bill Gates --- the miserable ass. He is never happy unless he is destroying some standard and replacing it with crap of some kind. Outlook does it this way not to be contrary, but for an obvious re

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:40:26AM -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > >It's preserved for posterity and not everybody wants to read a whole thread > >to > >figure out what solved some random printing problem. > > > But, in fact, most people use web-based archives in w

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
Paul Johnson wrote: It's preserved for posterity and not everybody wants to read a whole thread to figure out what solved some random printing problem. But, in fact, most people use web-based archives in which that's exactly how they access the messages after the original discussion. -

Re: 3.1_r0a

2005-06-10 Thread hell0 un1verse
I see. Thanks. On 6/10/05, Maurits van Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:11:44PM +0800, hell0 un1verse wrote: > > I found that the release was named "3.1_r0a". Just for curiosity, what > > does that "a" mean? > > It simply means it is the first update to the 3.1_r0 rele

Re: Upgrading to etch

2005-06-10 Thread Jan Leewe Behrendt
Jochen Schulz wrote: > Jan Leewe Behrendt: >> could anybody please tell me how to upgrade to etch? > > If you don't know how to do that, you better refrain from upgrading. > Etch will not be as stable as sarge has been the last couple of months. > > I really do not want to offend you, but the nu

Re: DCOP problems with kate and konqueror

2005-06-10 Thread John Marks
On Wednesday 25 May 2005 16:27, Marc Shapiro wrote: > "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Incoming from Marc Shapiro: > >>"s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>Incoming from Marc Shapiro: > Just yesterday, I started having problems with kate. It will start up, > and then giv

Re: Gateway newsgroup problem (redux - long)

2005-06-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jun 10, Anthony Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Other linux.debian.* gateways are fine because people using those can be > expected to know how gateways work. An faq about what the gateway is There are no other gateways. > and how it is meant to be used, specific to this list and which > pr

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread David Dorward
On 6/10/05, Hendrik Boom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * to see the reply first (for those who have just finished reading > the previous message) > > It seems this is a problem resolvable by technology. Set the mail > reader to start a message display at the bottom of the message. This doesn't

Re: installer le drivers nvidia

2005-06-10 Thread Al Bayrouni
Sylvain SAUREL a écrit : Bonjour, J'ai une debian sarge 3.1 que je viens d'installer et une carte Nvidia GeForce 2. J'ai donc repris sur le net les tutorials que j'avais trouvé pour installer les drivers nvidia sur ma distribution. J'ai téléchargé le driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7664-pkg1.run

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
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Re: lilo message

2005-06-10 Thread Steve =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C5?=
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 10:16:41PM +0200 or thereabouts, mess-mate wrote: > Steve A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Greetings. > | > | I upgraded my Sarge box to a new 2.4.27 kernel yesterday. When I ran lilo > | afterwards I'm presented with the following warning; > | > | Warning: '/proc/part

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 10:45 am, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday June 10 2005 12:56 am, Hal Vaughan wrote: > > Why it's such a big deal to them, I'll never know, but some people > > don't seem able to accept that different people do things > > differently. > > It's already been explained to you by

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 10:42 am, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday June 10 2005 12:12 am, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > > Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > Bottom-posting makes reading easier for those > > >who haven't followed an entire thread. > > > > True. But that's the point: making it easier for thos

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Friday 10 June 2005 03:05 am, Basajaun wrote: > Hal Vaughan wrote: > > On Thursday 09 June 2005 05:26 pm, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 22:06 +0100, Graham Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I would argue that top-posters fall into the same category as most > > > users of propr

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Joe Potter
Phil Dyer wrote: > I agree with that point exactly. > > PS: 2 points for anybody that can figure out which point, or even which > poster I'm agreeing with. > > (I really did try to stay out of this...) > > phil > I get no points at all as it is not worth trying to figure out what the point was

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday June 10 2005 8:02 am, Hendrik Boom wrote: > It seems this is a problem resolvable by technology. Set the mail > reader to start a message display at the bottom of the message. > > Does anyone know a mail reader that does this? gnus fixes broken quoting for you on reply. Make top poster

Re: Woody to sarge failure

2005-06-10 Thread Derek \"The Monkey\" Wueppelmann
On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 11:28, Sh1t Scared wrote: > The reported Bug #293667 in mailscanner is preventing a successful upgrade > from woody to sarge for me. > > I get the following error when I perform either > apt-get install mailscanner or > aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade > -

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday June 10 2005 12:56 am, Hal Vaughan wrote: > Why it's such a big deal to them, I'll never know, but some people > don't seem able to accept that different people do things > differently. It's already been explained to you by a large number of people already. Maybe if you read for compre

Re: Top posting

2005-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Friday June 10 2005 12:12 am, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > Alex Malinovich wrote: > > Bottom-posting makes reading easier for those > >who haven't followed an entire thread. > > True. But that's the point: making it easier for those who *are* > following a thread ahould be the priority. No, mak

Re: Screen Resolution (DeLL)

2005-06-10 Thread disciple
Thanks Lee Braiden, M. Maas, and Andrea Benedetto... 16 it shall be... (lol) =) ... This place is like a sea of Debian "Jedi Knights" and I'm just happy to be a Padawan Learner... :o) Thanks again for the help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". T

Re: Gateway newsgroup problem (redux - long)

2005-06-10 Thread Anthony Rowe
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:36:33AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 10, Tony Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > All of these are signs that the message has been posted somehow > > to Usenet but not gated to the list. > If they can post them, their news server is misconfigured. > If you see t

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:32:04AM -0400, Phil Dyer wrote: > I agree with that point exactly. > > PS: 2 points for anybody that can figure out which point, or even which > poster I'm agreeing with. I think the point you agree with is both point. -- hendrik P.S. What is the difference between a

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Hendrik Boom
I'm an incurable bottom-poster; q.v. On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 04:20:11PM +0200, Mark wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Thursday June 9 2005 5:10 pm, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > > >>I completely agree. Whoever (the attribution is not clear to m

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Mike Ward
On 6/10/05, Phil Dyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with that point exactly. > > PS: 2 points for anybody that can figure out which point, or even which > poster I'm agreeing with. > > (I really did try to stay out of this...) > > phil > > Mark said: > > Paul Johnson wrote: > >>> On Thur

Re: Eliminating upgrade confusion

2005-06-10 Thread Curt Howland
Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is a good way for a lot of people, but maybe not for > newbies who think they can create a better way through the exercise > of pure rhetoric without benefit of experience. Having been using Debian since 1995, I consider myself to have some benefit o

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
I agree with that point exactly. PS: 2 points for anybody that can figure out which point, or even which poster I'm agreeing with. (I really did try to stay out of this...) phil Mark said: > Paul Johnson wrote: >>> On Thursday June 9 2005 5:10 pm, Patrick Wiseman wrote: >>> I completely agr

Re: Debian Sarge CD installation query

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 12:54:59PM +0100, Simon Atkinson wrote: > Hi > > I'm relatively new to Linux and in particular to the Debian > distribution. I have read through the installtion manual for Sarge and > see that for a (network-based) CD installation it is possible to use > the following image

Help: keybbbbbboard problem with 2.6.8 kernel

2005-06-10 Thread Marc
Ever since upgrading to kernel 2.6.8 on Debian (sarge) I've had a problem with keys auto-repeating in X Windows. The problem only shows up in X windows. While typing in a terminal window (for example) the key auto-repeat kicks in making it impossible to type. For example if I try to type 'clear',

Re: scp from remote to remote machine

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 12:38:48PM +0100, belahcene wrote: > Hi, > I want to send a file from one remote machine to another one like this > scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home2/dsl-1.2.iso [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/debian > Password: > Host key verification failed. > lost connection > What you probably

Re: pls explain Amd numbering

2005-06-10 Thread Derek \"The Monkey\" Wueppelmann
On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:48, michael wrote: > Now I am confused since my bios says my chip is amd k7 athlon 4 but > cpuinfo gives > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo > processor : 0 > vendor_id : AuthenticAMD > cpu family : 6 > model : 6 > model name : AMD At

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thursday June 9 2005 5:10 pm, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > >>I completely agree. Whoever (the attribution is not clear to me) >>wrote that crap about top posters vs bottom posters is an arrogant >>idiot. Processing information i

Re: Sudden constant spoofing of my address

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 01:44:23PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 09:16:39AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: > > Since last night my in-box is being filled up by dozens of bounced > > messages. Evidently someone or something is spoofing my address and > > sending out bogus messag

Re: Upgrading to etch

2005-06-10 Thread Jochen Schulz
nullman: > > isnt etch currently only a very young fork of sarge ? > -> so IT WILL be as stable as sarge the last months ! No, it will not. Not in the Debian sense of 'stable' (no new features or packages) and because of that almost inevitably unstable in the usual sense (uninstallable packages,

Re: Installing the new release (Sarge)

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:00:14AM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Kevin Mark: > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 02:04:49PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > If all I need are the 1st 3 or 4 CD's, then what is on the other 10 CD's, > > > just a whole lot of software? Is there a breakdown somewh

Re: Upgrading to etch

2005-06-10 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 03:51:50PM +0200, nullman wrote: > i AM sure, that .. > > 1. etch is the currently testing-Branch > 2. Testing was forked when sarge became stable (not so long ago ;-) > > -> so Etch = Sarge + what changed in testing since sarge became stable > > When testing (etch) becom

Re: Upgrading to etch

2005-06-10 Thread Brian Pack
On Friday 10 June 2005 09:51 am, nullman wrote: > i AM sure, that .. > > 1. etch is the currently testing-Branch > 2. Testing was forked when sarge became stable (not so long ago ;-) > > -> so Etch = Sarge + what changed in testing since sarge became stable > > When testing (etch) becomes more busy

Re: Upgrading to etch

2005-06-10 Thread nullman
i AM sure, that .. 1. etch is the currently testing-Branch 2. Testing was forked when sarge became stable (not so long ago ;-) -> so Etch = Sarge + what changed in testing since sarge became stable When testing (etch) becomes more busy (new packages - gnome-transition, ...) it MAY be unstable fo

Re: KDE 3.4

2005-06-10 Thread Piero Piutti
On Friday 10 June 2005 12:46, Phil Dyer wrote: > Piero Piutti said: > > deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./ > > There's a kde-3.4.1 there now too. Thanks for the hint. I'm upgrading as I write. Hopefully when I'm done I'll post to confirm that's safe to switch to 3.4.1. -- Piero

Re: Sudden constant spoofing of my address

2005-06-10 Thread Andy Smith
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 09:16:39AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: > Since last night my in-box is being filled up by dozens of bounced > messages. Evidently someone or something is spoofing my address and > sending out bogus messages. This is referred to as a "joe job" (google for more info). In

Re: 3.1_r0a

2005-06-10 Thread Steve McIntyre
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >HI, a simple question here, when I wanted to download the netinst ISO >image for Sarge at this address: >http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso > >I found that the release was named "3.1_r0a". Just for curiosi

Re: Upgrading to etch

2005-06-10 Thread Nico De Ranter
On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 15:33, nullman wrote: > isnt etch currently only a very young fork of sarge ? > -> so IT WILL be as stable as sarge the last months ! I'm not sure. Etch is likely to get the latest version of KDE, Gnome, Perl, python... soon which will make it very unstable for a while. Nico

Re: Lost an LVM group after dist-upgrade. I'm quite lost.

2005-06-10 Thread M. Maas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Raymond A. Meijer wrote: > No sorry my bad > > I meant 'fdisk -l /dev/hdb' of course!!! Ok, that's cool, here you go: ams-it:/home/mark# fdisk -l /dev/hdb Disk /dev/hdb: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders U

Re: Upgrading to etch

2005-06-10 Thread nullman
isnt etch currently only a very young fork of sarge ? -> so IT WILL be as stable as sarge the last months !

Re: [newbie] Cannot login as root (not a passwd issue)

2005-06-10 Thread Kent West
Jochen Schulz wrote: >Fernando Cacciola: > > > >>P.S.: To what debian does knoopix 3.8.1 installed on hd corresponds to? >> >> > >Knoppix is always a mixture of stable, testing and unstable. You can >only tell that for each single package. Some of them are patched >versions, which you will n

Re: Upgrading to etch

2005-06-10 Thread Jochen Schulz
Jan Leewe Behrendt: > > could anybody please tell me how to upgrade to etch? If you don't know how to do that, you better refrain from upgrading. Etch will not be as stable as sarge has been the last couple of months. I really do not want to offend you, but the number of mails that have hit the m

Re: SPAM:Re: Dns resolving from linux pc in windows network

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 debian said: > Thnx for the reply. > My windows has reverse zone. Can you see the rev entry in windows dns for a specific box? - From the windows box, can you nslookup the ipaddress with correct results? > This is an error: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] sar

Debian Sarge CD installation query

2005-06-10 Thread Simon Atkinson
Hi I'm relatively new to Linux and in particular to the Debian distribution. I have read through the installtion manual for Sarge and see that for a (network-based) CD installation it is possible to use the following images: debian-31r0a-i386-businesscard.iso debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 07:30:08PM -0500, Kent West wrote: > John Carline wrote: > > > Personally, I don't care where an individual posts. But, it would make > > my reading/following of threads much easier if I didn't have to > > scroll down to the bottom of post after post in a long string just

Re: Upgrading to etch

2005-06-10 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 08:20:11PM +0200, Jan Leewe Behrendt wrote: > could anybody please tell me how to upgrade to etch? See 'man apt_preferences'. put: APT::Default-Release "etch"; in the file /etc/apt/apt.conf -- Maurits van Rees | http://maurits.vanrees.org/ [Dutch/Nederlands] Public GnuP

Re: 3.1_r0a

2005-06-10 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:11:44PM +0800, hell0 un1verse wrote: > I found that the release was named "3.1_r0a". Just for curiosity, what > does that "a" mean? It simply means it is the first update to the 3.1_r0 release. It was released just a day after the original release. There was a mistake in

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On 6/9/05, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday June 9 2005 5:10 pm, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > I completely agree. Whoever (the attribution is not clear to me) > > wrote that crap about top posters vs bottom posters is an arrogant > > idiot. Processing information in reverse or

RE: SPAM:Re: Dns resolving from linux pc in windows network

2005-06-10 Thread debian
Hi, Thnx for the reply. My windows has reverse zone. This is an error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] sarg-2.0.5]# host 10.51.10.10 Host 10.10.51.10.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] sarg-2.0.5]# [EMAIL PROTECTED] sarg-2.0.5]# host searolxe Host searolxe not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) Thnx f

Re: Top posting (a different point of view)

2005-06-10 Thread Patrick Wiseman
Is it really necessary to get so exercised about top- vs bottom-posting? On 6/10/05, Hubert Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:10:35 -0400, Patrick Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [...] > Do you see why it's nice to have the context provided immediately? With > a bottom-p

Re: Dns resolving from linux pc in windows network

2005-06-10 Thread Phil Dyer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 debian said: > We use windows 2003 servers and various linux application servers, DNS > is on windows and we have a suffix say; test.tralala > > So when i perform the command > Host 192.168.0.10 i must get a reply that this host is > pipo.test.tral

Re: 3.1_r0a

2005-06-10 Thread Florian Ernst
Hello *, On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:11:44PM +0800, hell0 un1verse wrote: > HI, a simple question here, when I wanted to download the netinst ISO > image for Sarge at this address: > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso > > I found that the release

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