libgnutls

2014-11-15 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Chez moi, Jessie à jour (normalement) en amd64, j'ai une dépendance de Libreoffice (et google-chrome) sur libgnutls.so.26, qui n'existe pas/plus. Une dépendance sur ldd, ce qui fait que l'appli ne se lance pas en disant qu'elle ne trouve pas la lib. J'ai une libgnutls-deb0-28, et

Re: libgnutls

2014-11-15 Thread Haricophile
Le Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:47:17 +0100, Jean-Michel OLTRA jm.oltra.antis...@espinasse.net a écrit : Bonjour, Chez moi, Jessie à jour (normalement) en amd64, j'ai une dépendance de Libreoffice (et google-chrome) sur libgnutls.so.26, qui n'existe pas/plus. Une dépendance sur ldd, ce qui fait

Re: libgnutls

2014-11-15 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:47:17 +0100 Jean-Michel OLTRA jm.oltra.antis...@espinasse.net a écrit: Bonjour, Chez moi, Jessie à jour (normalement) en amd64, j'ai une dépendance de Libreoffice (et google-chrome) sur libgnutls.so.26, qui n'existe pas/plus. Une dépendance sur ldd, ce qui

Re: libgnutls

2014-11-15 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le samedi 15 novembre 2014, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit... Bizarre je suis aussi en testing amd64 et je n'ai pas ce problème... Mince. Bizarre. libgnutls-deb0-28:amd64/jessie 3.3.8-4 uptodate Ce qui voudrait dire que c'est mon libreoffice qui pose problème ? Qu'as tu comme

Re: libgnutls

2014-11-15 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:32:21 +0100 Jean-Michel OLTRA jm.oltra.antis...@espinasse.net a écrit: Ce qui voudrait dire que c'est mon libreoffice qui pose problème ? Qu'as tu comme version de libreoffice ? Perso, j'ai la 1:4.3.3~rc2-1 J'ai la même ... Par contre quand tu dis que tu as google

Re: Màj owncloud

2014-11-15 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Le 2014-11-14 05:10, Vincent Besse a écrit : J' ai un phénomène curieux avec les mises à jour de owncloud sur wheezy depuis le dépôt officiel d' opensuse. Pourquoi ne pas utiliser la version qui est dans le dépôt Backports? F. -- Fabián Rodríguez - XMPP/Jabber+OTR:

Re: Màj owncloud

2014-11-15 Thread Belaïd
celle du backports n'est pas à jour (7.0.2). Pour la dernière mise à jour il faut taper dans la testing ou unstable (7.0.3) Le 15 nov. 2014 16:01, Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org a écrit : Le 2014-11-14 05:10, Vincent Besse a écrit : J' ai un phénomène curieux avec les mises à jour de

Re: Màj owncloud

2014-11-15 Thread Fabián Rodríguez
Le 15 nov. 2014 16:01, Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org mailto:magic...@member.fsf.org a écrit : Le 2014-11-14 05:10, Vincent Besse a écrit : J' ai un phénomène curieux avec les mises à jour de owncloud sur wheezy depuis le dépôt officiel d' opensuse.

Re: [troll] PC portable compatible Debian

2014-11-15 Thread JF Straeten
LO, On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 08:06:53PM +0100, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: [...] Je vais mettre tout le monde d'accord : Achetez une * Surface Pro * : C'est tout sauf un troll du vendredi, justement ;) [...] On Friday 14 November 2014 17:50:23 steve wrote: Je plussoie, c'est

Re: libgnutls

2014-11-15 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le samedi 15 novembre 2014, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit... J'ai la même ... Par contre quand tu dis que tu as google chrome tu parles de chromium des dépôts debian ou du paquet google-chrome de google ? Dans ce dernier cas est-ce que ça ne serait pas lui qui de par ses

Re: libgnutls

2014-11-15 Thread Jean-Marc
Sat, 15 Nov 2014 18:11:12 +0100 Jean-Michel OLTRA jm.oltra.antis...@espinasse.net écrivait : Bonjour, salut Jean-Michel, [...] pareil. Ce qui est un peu normal. J'ai les paquets à jour, semble t-il, mais le ldd sur /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin montre une dépendance sur

Re: libgnutls

2014-11-15 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le samedi 15 novembre 2014, Jean-Marc a écrit... soffice.bin appartient au paquet libreoffice-core : $ apt-file search /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin libreoffice-core: /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin Oui. Qu'est-ce que donne un apt-cache policy

Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?

2014-11-15 Thread FGK
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 07:56:02AM +0100, FGK wrote: Même avec le Contributor Agreement de Canonical (qui est tout de même moins violent que celui de .NET Fondation si mes souvenirs ne me trompent pas ?), Pour la forme, j'ai vérifié les CLA /Individual/[1] et /Entity/[2] de Canonical et

Re: Virtualizar

2014-11-15 Thread Salvador Garcia Z.
Jajajaja. Sorry. Si es posible hacer lo que estas preguntando, pero indudablemente es necesario leer un poco mas. Te recomiendo que comprendas más sobre demonios y servicios, procesos etc. Me gusta tu iniciativa y té felicito, pero lo que buscas es muy fácil encontrar en Internet, sólo hay que

Re: Virtualizar

2014-11-15 Thread fernando sainz
El día 15 de noviembre de 2014, 6:32, Yair De la cruz delacruzy...@gmail.com escribió: Buenas noches Pregunto por que tengo mucho curiosidad y quiero aprender Tengo Dos equipos 1 PC el otro Laptop Quiero hacer una red Local donde el PC quiero que trabaje como DNS y servidor (No se si se puede

(SOLUCIONADO) Gnome3 y problema inicio automatico de sesión con usuario

2014-11-15 Thread Eduardo Rios
Con la actualización de hoy. gdm3 3.14.1-3 gir1.2-gdm3 3.14.1-3 :) -- www.LinuxCounter.net Registered user #558467 has 2 linux machines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Virtualizar

2014-11-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 01:02:11AM -0430, Yair De la cruz wrote: Tengo Dos equipos 1 PC el otro Laptop Quiero hacer una red Local donde el PC quiero que trabaje como DNS y servidor (No se si se puede hacer eso soy nuevo en linux) y con el laptop puede consultar todo lo que archive en el

Re: [OT] Re: Linux privatizado?

2014-11-15 Thread Luis Felipe Tabera Alonso
On Thursday 13 November 2014 11:14:09 Listas wrote: Pienso, que sigue dependiendo de los usuarios; el que se tenga algo que sea util para todos y que se mantenga un ambiente de cordialidad. Y depndera de los DDs, el que Debian vuelva a ser el Sistema Operativo Universal. ¿Y por qué no es el

Re: [OT] Re: Linux privatizado?

2014-11-15 Thread Luis Felipe Tabera Alonso
On Thursday 13 November 2014 11:14:09 Listas wrote: Pienso, que sigue dependiendo de los usuarios; el que se tenga algo que sea util para todos y que se mantenga un ambiente de cordialidad. Y depndera de los DDs, el que Debian vuelva a ser el Sistema Operativo Universal. ¿Y por qué no es el

Re: Linux privatizado?

2014-11-15 Thread Listas
On 11/15/2014 03:53 AM, Luis Felipe Tabera Alonso wrote: Es que quizas estas confundido Salvador En la lista, todos somos adultos y es mejor, por que podemos expresarnos libremente, respetando a los demas; Hurd quedo fuera de Jessie y si sigue Systemd comiendose a otros paquetes; ya no habra

Re: Clamav

2014-11-15 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:35:08 -0600, Frank Andres Sanches Calzada escribió: Hola Lista necesito poner actualizar el clamav atraves de un servidor proxy que necesita autenticacion. ya probe esto pero no me funciona DatabaseMirror http://downloads.azcuba.cu/Antivirus/Actualizaciones/clamav/

Re: OT: Hay futuro más allá de Jessie

2014-11-15 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:01:52 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió: El viernes, 14 nov 2014 a las 19:31 horas (UTC+1), Camaleón escribió: Aunque claro, también es cierto que eso no es culpa de Debian ni de Linux. A toda versión de cualquier Sistema Operativo le llega el fin de soporte... ;)

Re: Linux privatizado?

2014-11-15 Thread Luis Felipe Tabera Alonso
On Saturday 15 November 2014 07:04:01 Listas wrote: Hola Luis Felipe Tabera Por tus comentarios, deduzco que ni siquiera tendras capacidad para reconocer la O, por lo redondo! Tu mensaje es un ataque sin sentido, quizas deberias de sentir verguenza. Y desalojar tu furia, de otra forma. En

Re: OT Smokeping enviar alerta por Smtp externo

2014-11-15 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:27:26 -0600, Alberto Corona escribió: (ese html...) Que tal Amigos instale sobre Debian 7 la herramienta Smokeping pero no eh encontrado la manera de que me envie correo de alertas cuando el servidor no tiene configurado un smtp local espero alguien pueda darme una

Re: dudas en el firewall

2014-11-15 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 14 Nov 2014 16:37:10 -0400, luis escribió: Tengo en el debian 7 64bit un shorewall y squid La duda es la siguiente, Todo estaba trabajando muy bien y de pronto deja de dar navegación a los usuarios. ¿Dejó de funcionar sin haber hecho ningún cambio? Trabaja con un HD de 500 GB y

Re: (SOLUCIONADO) Gnome3 y problema inicio automatico de sesión con usuario

2014-11-15 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:08:00 +0100, Eduardo Rios escribió: Con la actualización de hoy. gdm3 3.14.1-3 gir1.2-gdm3 3.14.1-3 :) ¿Ya lo han resuelto? Pues menos mal, les ha costado 3 meses resolverlo :-) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Virtualizar

2014-11-15 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 15 Nov 2014 01:02:11 -0430, Yair De la cruz escribió: Buenas noches Pregunto por que tengo mucho curiosidad y quiero aprender Tengo Dos equipos 1 PC el otro Laptop Quiero hacer una red Local donde el PC quiero que trabaje como DNS y servidor (No se si se puede hacer eso soy nuevo en

Re: Linux privatizado?

2014-11-15 Thread Listas
On 11/15/2014 07:42 AM, Luis Felipe Tabera Alonso wrote: On Saturday 15 November 2014 07:04:01 Listas wrote: Hola Luis Felipe Tabera Por tus comentarios, deduzco que ni siquiera tendras capacidad para reconocer la O, por lo redondo! Tu mensaje es un ataque sin sentido, quizas deberias de

Re: Linux privatizado?

2014-11-15 Thread Listas
On 11/15/2014 11:45 AM, Debia Linux wrote: Lista: El respeto se gana... CAMALEON mis respetos, te has ganado el respeto a pulso. Simplemente te respeto porque nadie mas que tu aportas incondicionalmente y sin pago alguno tu conocimiento, no tan solo para el beneficio de la lista, sino para

Re: Linux privatizado?

2014-11-15 Thread Debia Linux
2014-11-15 16:47 GMT-06:00 Listas debianl...@agronomos.ca: On 11/15/2014 11:45 AM, Debia Linux wrote: Lista: El respeto se gana... CAMALEON mis respetos, te has ganado el respeto a pulso. Simplemente te respeto porque nadie mas que tu aportas incondicionalmente y sin pago alguno tu

Re: OT: Hay futuro más allá de Jessie

2014-11-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 03:34:37PM +, Camaleón wrote: No veo qué te impide instalar systemd en Lenny, [...] Pues yo sí lo veo: El README de systemd dice: REQUIREMENTS: Linux kernel = 3.7 Fuente: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/README y en lenny la versión de

Re: Linux privatizado?

2014-11-15 Thread Listas
On 11/15/2014 05:08 PM, Debia Linux wrote: 2014-11-15 16:47 GMT-06:00 Listas debianl...@agronomos.ca: On 11/15/2014 11:45 AM, Debia Linux wrote: Lista: El respeto se gana... CAMALEON mis respetos, te has ganado el respeto a pulso. Simplemente te respeto porque nadie mas que tu aportas

Re: MALWARE Virus no Ubuntu [Alerta]

2014-11-15 Thread henrique
A minha **opinião** eh que não importa a distribuição, se você alterar o padrão dela, vai dar alguma coisa errada. Veja:  - Ubuntu deixa a senha de root em branco por padrão, e deixa o acesso de root habilitado no ssh por padrão. E isso é seguro. Idiota e non-sense ao meu ver, mas seguro.  -

Re: Sintaxe dns

2014-11-15 Thread Francisco C Soares
On 14-11-2014 23:29, Leandro wrote: Prezados, boa noite Talvez deva ser off topic isso, se for desculpe. Mas vejo em alguns implementações de dns o seguinte estrutural.com.br http://estrutural.com.br. 86400 IN NS ns2.locaweb.com.br http://ns2.locaweb.com.br. Esse ns2 isso

Como monitorar portas e arquivos? (era: MALWARE Virus no Ubuntu)

2014-11-15 Thread Andre N Batista
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 07:15:12PM -0200, Thiago Zoroastro wrote: Como poderia eu monitorar essas portas? Dê uma olhada no netstat. $ top e $ ps aux Quais processos não deveriam estar ali? Isso é o administrador que vai ter que saber/escolher, afinal é ele que define a política de

Re: MALWARE Virus no Ubuntu [Alerta]

2014-11-15 Thread Thiago Zoroastro
Adicionar o usuário para usar sudo no /etc/sudoers rootALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL deixo embaixo do de cima: usuarioALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL E uso sudo no Debian e Debian-baseds. Que é desabilitado por padrão. Tenho feito isso sempre desde que migrei do Ubuntu. On 15-11-2014 10:31, henrique wrote: A

Re: Bash

2014-11-15 Thread Wilko Fokken
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45:19PM +0200, Gokan Atmaca wrote: I want to conditionally output from the bash command. for example telnet localhost 25 220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Postfix #! / bin / bash COMMAND = `telnet localhost 25` if [$ COMMAND == 220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP

Re: Bash

2014-11-15 Thread Gokan Atmaca
Your bash syntax, corrected: #! /bin/bash if [ $COMMAND = 220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Postfix ]; then echo ok else echo bad fi Thanks to everyone @Wilko very thanks. its works. On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Wilko Fokken wfok...@web.de wrote: On Fri, Nov 14,

Re: Latest iceweasel 31.2.0esr crashes X on wheezy 7.7

2014-11-15 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-15, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 11/14/2014 at 07:32 PM, David wrote: I run wheezy 7.7 on several 12 IBM X24 machines with 640k RAM. 640K?? I wouldn't expect iceweasel to even load without at least a few hundred times that much. He means 640MB (it's a ThinkPad).

Re: Bash

2014-11-15 Thread Santiago Vila
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:45:19PM +0200, Gokan Atmaca wrote: #!/bin/bash BTW: bash is fine as a login shell, but I would not use it as a programming language. Stick with /bin/sh if you can. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-15 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-11, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: I don't mean to single out the poster of this comment, because it is something I've seen repeated by several Debian developers and some non-developers. Other forms of it are If you want that fixed, please submit a patch, or the response I got

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 07:55:23, Miles Fidelman wrote: Note that there seems to be an ongoing issue with whether or not the installer will issue a warning before a package dependency leads to an automatic change to systemd. See bugs 765803 and 762194. installer usually means Debian

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 13:27:22, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: And all this says nothing about big servers, which need some magnitudes more of reliability, stability and scaling. E.g. not using plain text files for logs causes problems in the long run and in daily work. The default setting for

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: On 11/14/2014 05:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote: snip Jumping in here as myself, not Joel's tag-team member. :) Debian as an entity doesn't really do much. There are only one or several volunteers who

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 22:53:36, Joel Rees wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote: [...] [snip another wall of text about engineering principles] And, thus, once again, The engineering question

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:49:18 +0200 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: In my opinion the best defence against a monopoly[1] of any kind is to develop competitive alternatives. We have seen how well that worked with MS Windows over the years... Cheers, Ron. --

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates equivalent modular alternatives, and also requires unnecessary effort to repair damage from excessive

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:55:47, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/14/2014 5:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: It was claimed that sysvinit was the default *and only* (emphasis not mine) init, and therefore no selection was needed, but now that there are several a selection suddenly

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:45:11 + (UTC) Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: I don't mean to single out the poster of this comment, because it is something I've seen repeated by several Debian developers and some non-developers. Other forms of it are If you want that fixed, please submit a

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: [(clipping too much, I now realize)] The transition plan[5] has been posted on -devel since July with no objections. [5] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00611.html My impression is that

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 22:53:36, Joel Rees wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote: [...] [snip another wall of text about

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
On 15-11-2014 14:17, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates equivalent modular alternatives, and also requires unnecessary effort to repair

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 15 nov 14, 22:05:58, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: [(clipping too much, I now realize)] The transition plan[5] has been posted on -devel since July with no objections. [5]

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-15 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-15, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it? Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ? Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical errors of the slothful and the ignorant,

Re: Qsynth working, Fluidsynth not

2014-11-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 01:34:36PM -0800, Bob McGowan wrote: What I found shows both qsynth and fluidsynth depend on jackd, since I did not have jackd installed and both refused to run, with the same error message, to the effect that jackd could not be found or started. It would seem that

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 15:22:06 +0200, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: On 15-11-2014 14:17, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:51:44 + (UTC) Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it? Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ? Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical errors of the slothful and the ignorant,

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Joel Rees
2014/11/15 22:57 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com: On Sb, 15 nov 14, 22:05:58, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: [(clipping too much, I now realize)] The transition plan[5] has been posted on -devel since July with

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 07:55:23, Miles Fidelman wrote: Note that there seems to be an ongoing issue with whether or not the installer will issue a warning before a package dependency leads to an automatic change to systemd. See bugs 765803 and 762194. installer

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates equivalent modular alternatives, and also requires unnecessary effort to repair damage from excessive

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-15 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/15/2014 08:51 AM, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-15, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it? Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ? Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical errors

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
On 15-11-2014 16:59, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 15:22:06 +0200, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: On 15-11-2014 14:17, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: By the same token systemd is a major waste with no

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates equivalent modular alternatives, and

Re: iceweasel Video can't be played because the file is corrupt

2014-11-15 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:15:05 + Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Lisi, Sorry, Brad. You are assuming too much functioning brain power. H264 has only always and never. Flash has all three, but once I have set it You're right; I'd not noticed that before. Sorry. to ask to

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/15/2014 7:20 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:55:47, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/14/2014 5:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: It was claimed that sysvinit was the default *and only* (emphasis not mine) init, and therefore no selection

Re: moving LVM logical volumes to new disks

2014-11-15 Thread lee
Patrick Ouellette poue...@debian.org writes: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 08:52:58PM +0100, lee wrote: Fortunately, downtime isn't an issue. I also have a 32GB USB stick, and all the LVs are smaller than 32GB. Since there seems to be some agreement that it would be best to use pvmove, I

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Erwan David
Le 15/11/2014 20:24, Brian a écrit : On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates equivalent modular

Re: iceweasel Video can't be played because the file is corrupt

2014-11-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 15 November 2014 20:38:42 Brad Rogers wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:15:05 + Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Lisi, Sorry, Brad. You are assuming too much functioning brain power. H264 has only always and never. Flash has all three, but once I have set it

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2014_0733-0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 02:02:07 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 11.11.2014 um 01:58 schrieb Miles Fidelman: Michael Biebl wrote: Sorry, but that is not what I asked for. I asked for specifics. Your answer doesn't contain any

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 19:24:49 +, Brian wrote: Upgrading - After changing sources.list and an 'apt-get update' do apt-get install sysvinit-core systemd-shim Then proceed with an upgrade and dist-upgrade. New Install --- Use the apt-get command

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2014_1200-0500, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/11/2014 11:38 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: Other people subscribe to a meaning of default which, e.g., assumes only that systemd will get installed as PID 1 unless some action is taken to prevent it from getting so installed.

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/15/2014 at 06:37 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: I suggest that the word 'default' not be used any more in this discussion. It serves only to obfuscate the nature of the problem. The word default is used in the discussion because the initial decision made by the Debian project in regard to this

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Paul E Condon
On 2014_1807+0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:42:33 -0500, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org a écrit : On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: Ok, then explain to me the procedure for

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Martin Read
On 15/11/14 23:04, Paul E Condon wrote: If one could absolutely rely on apt-get always getting it right, then apt-get install -y sysvinit-core could always be used to remove systemd even from a system that has been booted into systemd and running, and not just in the context of a pre-seed.

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Martin Read
On 16/11/14 00:21, Paul E Condon wrote: It should be possible to install systemd on a system that already has some other init system installed on it. This should be tested, but how? The obvious way is to upgrade a wheezy system, following the upgrade to jessie while keeping sysvinit as the

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/15/2014 at 07:21 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: On 2014_1807+0100, Laurent Bigonville wrote: There are no functional differences between an installation with sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is installed later, this is a fact. Theory tells us this should

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: There are no functional differences between an installation with sysvinit-core out of the box or

Systemd

2014-11-15 Thread Frank
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Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:37:14AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates equivalent modular alternatives, and

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:05:49PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: Le 15/11/2014 20:24, Brian a écrit : On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: By the same

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Marty
On 11/15/2014 06:49 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: On 11/14/2014 05:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote: snip Jumping in here as myself, not Joel's tag-team member. :) Debian as an entity doesn't really do much. There

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

2014-11-15 Thread Ludovic Meyer
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 03:43:40PM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/15/2014 7:20 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:55:47, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/14/2014 5:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: It was claimed that sysvinit was the default

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Marty
On 11/15/2014 07:45 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: There are no functional differences between an

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-15 Thread Miles Fidelman
Marty wrote: On 11/15/2014 07:45 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: There are no functional differences

Which Debian category am I located?

2014-11-15 Thread Clarence
There are tons of categories on Debian Mailing-List? I forgot which one am I located, when I tried to search the archive. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: cannot open display: :0.0

2014-11-15 Thread Geert Stappers
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 09:36:22PM +0100, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: Heb nog eens een nieuwe installatie van testing gedaan. Met XFCE, LXDE, Cinnamon, Mate, om deze ook eens te bekijken. Wanneer ik in een terminal 'su' naar root, om het even in welke window manager, en ik start een grafisch