Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread ajh-valmer
Je n'ai pas entendu que Debian 12 est instable et pose problèmes. Merci de m'indiquer comment s'est passé ce blème, d'un nouvel utilisateur non accepté par le bureau : upgrade, ré-installation... ? On Sunday 21 July 2024 14:08:25 Halbrante wrote: > J'ai été tenté par cette manip mais il y a une

Re: Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
Mike (12024-07-21): > 1) lsmod | grep > > I conceed that doesn't actually indicate the kernel has changed, just > that the kernel module is missing. However, so far, it being missing > has consistent indicated a kernel change and rebuilding the driver on a > false positive isn't really an issue

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Bonjour, J'ai été tenté par cette manip mais il y a une chose qui m'échappe, c'est pourquoi l'interface graphique des utilisateurs qui sont créées après l'installation n'est pas le même que celui qui est présenté pour celui qui a créé lors de l'installation. Je n’avais pas l'habitude de ces

Re: Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

2024-07-21 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 21 Jul 2024 12:43 +0100, from deb...@norgie.net (Mike): > I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to > be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off > with relative ease. > I thought that I'd just run it past the hive mind and see if anyone

Detecting change in running kernel version between reboots

2024-07-21 Thread Mike
Hi all, I have a TV card in one of my boxen, which requires a kernel module to be built. I've got that all nicely scripted and so I can kick it off with relative ease. The issue is detecting when it needs to be done. ie after a change in the running kernel. At the moment, it's detected by the

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Bonjour et merci de votre intervention. Je ne sais pas comment qualifier la situation : ce n'est pas un problème d'identification puisque l'utilisateur "jeff" a accès a son home et s’identifie sans problème dans une session ssh distante à partir d'une autre machine du réseau local Il ne

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread ajh-valmer
Hello, En supprimant totalement en mode console le user qui ne veut pas de session graphique ainsi que son répertoire /home/user/ puis, reboot et réinstallation du user. Même démarche mais login graphique en mode root : Arriver sur le login graphique, wdm, xdm, lightdm... y a t-il une liste de

Re: Switch boot entry by power-on reason

2024-07-21 Thread David
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 at 09:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > hede wrote: > > Technically it should be possible, as dmidecode can show the reason: > > Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes > > System Information > > ... > > Wake-up Type: LAN Remote > > vs. > > Wake-up Type: Power Switch >

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Anssi Saari
Adam Weremczuk writes: > Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer. > > What exactly shall I substitute: > > mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" > > with in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf > > to make logwatch use postfix (already working without DNS) instead of >

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le vendredi 19 juillet 2024, Halbrante a écrit... > J'ai installé la Debian 12 sur un mini PC HP Prodesk et tout se passait bien > jusqu'à un reboot suite auquel, il m'était impossible d'ouvrir une session > graphique de l’utilisateur créé à l'installation du système : après

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread testeur
tout est bon au niveau des droits de ce dossier... Si tu te connectes en ligne de commande (tty : ctrl + alt + f2) avec ton compte jeff, que te donne un : startxfce4 ? La question de didier gaumet sur la liste hier, au sujet de ce que contient le xsession-errors pourrait aussi donner une

Re: Switch boot entry by power-on reason

2024-07-21 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, hede wrote: > Technically it should be possible, as dmidecode can show the reason: > Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes > System Information > ... > Wake-up Type: LAN Remote > vs. > Wake-up Type: Power Switch The statement in man dmidecode "DMI (some say SMBIOS)" caused me

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread George at Clug
Contrary to popular belief, the QWERTY layout was not designed to slow the typist down, but rather to speed up typing. Indeed, there is evidence that, aside from the issue of jamming, placing often-used keys farther apart increases typing speed, because it encourages alternation between the

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Bonjour, Merci pour la suggestion, voici ce que ça donne. J'ignore quels droits seraient les bons ! jeff@desktop-DEBIAN:~$ ls -al ~/.cache/sessions total 52 drwx--  3 jeff jeff 4096 17 juil. 00:00 . drwx-- 20 jeff jeff 4096 17 juil. 22:11 .. drwx--  2 jeff jeff 4096  8 juil. 21:39

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread Nicolas George
hlyg (12024-07-21): > is it possible to remap keyboard to Dvorak in X Window? Yes, of course. https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Debian+dvorak > does anyone use it > to speed up typing? No, only to feel smug. # Later experiments have shown

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-21 Thread hlyg
On 7/21/24 02:33, Russell L. Harris wrote: The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather than Dvorak: = The precedent set by the first to market is powerful. = The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in discernment and addicted to novelty is deadly. Add to

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread George at Clug
Adam, I dislike people to reply to my questions but do not answer the question, instead suggest I do something totally different. Please forgive me, as that is what I am about to do. I have had, what seems to me to be similar issue, my solution was to set up an authoritative BIND9 server on

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Kamil Jońca
Adam Weremczuk writes: > Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer. > > What exactly shall I substitute: > > mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" > Eee. Nothing? --8<---cut here---start->8--- dpkg -L postfix|grep send /usr/sbin/sendmail

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Testeur
Peut être un problème de droit (comme énoncé sur la liste ) sur ce dossier : ls -al ~/.cache/sessions ? Le 20 juillet 2024 09:15:43 GMT+02:00, Halbrante a écrit : >C'est xfce4 > >Le 20/07/2024 à 07:25, Testeur a écrit : >> Sur quel afficheur graphique es tu ? >> Il m'est arrivé d'avoir un souci

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Adam Weremczuk
Let me rephrase my question, which should be easier to answer. What exactly shall I substitute: mailer = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" with in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf to make logwatch use postfix (already working without DNS) instead of sendmail? On 21/07/2024 08:08, Jeff

Re: sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Jeff Pang
Sendmail is too old to be supported. You may use postfix and exim instead. They are main stream MTA software today. On 2024-07-21 14:58, Adam Weremczuk wrote: This is in a way a continuation of my recently "purely local DNS" thread. To recap: my objective is to send emails to a single

Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along

2024-07-21 Thread daggs
Greetings Kamil, > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 7:55 AM > From: "Kamil Jońca" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along > > daggs writes: > > > Greetings, > > > > I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users to run > > a

Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along

2024-07-21 Thread daggs
Greetings George, >Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 at 4:00 AM >From: "George at Clug" >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along >On Sunday, 21-07-2024 at 07:57 daggs wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of

sendmail without DNS

2024-07-21 Thread Adam Weremczuk
This is in a way a continuation of my recently "purely local DNS" thread. To recap: my objective is to send emails to a single domain with both DNS and any other email traffic being disabled. A simple working solution that I've found for Postfix is: /etc/hosts 1.2.3.4example.com

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 2:15 AM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 10:28:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > > Crowdstrike did not strike at Linux or BSD UNIX systems - only MS Windows > > systems. > > Except that time just a few months ago when it *did* happen to > Crowdstrike+Linux? > >

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-21 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:17:54AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > The CrowdStrike outage emulated the very thing it is alleged to protect > against - a zero day exploit. It was also a demonstration of a huge vulnerability. If $EvilActor were to get an agent employed at CrowdStrike/whoever then

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 08:46:24AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > A plug for SELinux. It's been around for a long time. It was invented by the > NSA for use by Government agencies but they kindly open sourced it and it's > available on many Distros including Debian. > > SELinux is a real pain to

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 03:27:17PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] > And even you Hans, leave out the major, all encompassing, reason for the > lack of market share, which is that most business that have a computerized > system to run things also value what their MBA says. And since there is

Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along

2024-07-20 Thread Kamil Jońca
daggs writes: > Greetings, > > I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users to run a > specific binary that needs to execute a ioctl which is not possible for > normal users. > in comes pam+libcap. > so I've installed libcap, updated /etc/security/capability.conf with

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 10:28:28AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > Crowdstrike did not strike at Linux or BSD UNIX systems - only MS Windows > systems. Except that time just a few months ago when it *did* happen to Crowdstrike+Linux? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41005936 Nothing in

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Bret Busby
On 21/7/24 10:07, Jeffrey Walton wrote: All this points to an incompetent board. If someone's head is going to be taken (figuratively), then it should start with the CEO and other executives. Yes. But, the people who should be sacked, with loss of benefits, are the board members and the

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 9:46 PM The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2024-07-20 at 09:19, jeremy ardley wrote: > > > On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote: > > [...] > > The problem was not CrowdStrike as such. It happens in the best of > > operations. > > > > The problem is the Windows Systems

Re: pam and pam-cap don't play along

2024-07-20 Thread George at Clug
On Sunday, 21-07-2024 at 07:57 daggs wrote: > Greetings, > > I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users to run a specific binary that needs to execute a ioctl which is not possible for normal users. > in comes pam+libcap. > so I've installed libcap, updated

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 21/7/24 07:28, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: Again lacking data center experience? Every server in your data center that is outward-facing will be contacted by intruders on its open ports. That includes your Debian servers. If your apache server or application server running on Debian is

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:57 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 01:15:22 -0700, Van Snyder wrote: > > > Van Snyder wrote: > > > > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable > > > > wants to > > > > load a shared object library. > >

Re: CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 21/7/24 06:38, The Wanderer wrote: The first would be poor institutional practice; the others would be potentially-questionable software design, although it's hard to know without seeing the internal architecture of the software in question and understanding*why* it's designed that way.

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread gene heskett
On 7/20/24 16:45, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:54:06AM +0800, hlyg wrote: crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens it is evident that many people around still use Windows i wonder if linux is more reliable than

CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread George at Clug
On Sunday, 21-07-2024 at 08:38 The Wanderer wrote: > On 2024-07-20 at 09:19, jeremy ardley wrote: > > > On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote: > > > >> On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 13:54 hlyg wrote: > >> > >>> crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue > >>> screens > >> > >>

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 2:09 PM Joe wrote: > > You missed one: Linux is virtually a virus-free environment, and a > large user base would mean many more people running as root, and it > would become worth the time of malware writers to target Linux. Linux > would become as virus-ridden as Windows.

CrowdStrike and drivers (was Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?)

2024-07-20 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-20 at 09:19, jeremy ardley wrote: > On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote: > >> On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 13:54 hlyg wrote: >> >>> crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue >>> screens >> >> The CrowdStrike issue was not a Windows issue, it was a CrowdStrike >>

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread hlyg
Thank Clug and all that reply ! On 7/20/24 18:36, George at Clug wrote: Do you think Windows is not reliable? Why is that? Windows used to crash often, i rarely use it now, they say it's more stable these day Do you use Linux yourself? surely i use as this is debian user list Have you

pam and pam-cap don't play along

2024-07-20 Thread daggs
Greetings, I have bookworm installation where I want to allow a group of users to run a specific binary that needs to execute a ioctl which is not possible for normal users. in comes pam+libcap. so I've installed libcap, updated /etc/security/capability.conf with this line: cap_net_admin

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicolas George
Andy Smith (12024-07-20): > And yes here in the UK where we allowed the Post Office to pay > billions to Fujitsu to develop the Horizon IT system that > incorrectly accused hundreds of postmasters of fraud, resulting in > criminal prosecutions and at least one case of suicide. That was not a bug,

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 09:44:52PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > It seems clear to me that what's needed is a change in the law. At the > moment here in the UK we have national news services explaining that > airline passengers won't be able to get compensation because the >

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread debian-user
Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:54:06AM +0800, hlyg wrote: > > crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens > > > > it is evident that many people around still use Windows > > > > i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows > > For this

Re: OT: root y home. Vale la pena ponerlas en distintas particiones?

2024-07-20 Thread riveravaldez
El viernes, 19 de julio de 2024, Alejandro G. Sanchez Martinez< asanch...@e-compugraf.com> escribió: > (...) > En un desktop no es tan indispensable separarla pero si altamente recomendable y no es un tema de velocidad, si tienes /home y / en una sola partición y metes tantos archivos como

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Jeff Pang
I would think linux is better as server OS due to reasons of security, performance and Operability etc. Once aol mail was running on windows. But now aol is merged into yahoo mail which was originally run on freebsd but now linux mostly. And the initial hotmail was running on freebsd too

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:54:06AM +0800, hlyg wrote: > crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens > > it is evident that many people around still use Windows > > i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows For this specific issue, if Linux were used at the same

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Hans
> You missed one: Linux is virtually a virus-free environment, and a > large user base would mean many more people running as root, and it > would become worth the time of malware writers to target Linux. Linux > would become as virus-ridden as Windows. > > It would also become a target for data

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread gene heskett
On 7/20/24 09:59, Hans wrote: Hello, well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share? Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? Sure, more developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all developers will. Many good developers will not be paid and

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Joe
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:59:14 +0200 Hans wrote: > Hello, > > well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share? > > Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? > Sure, more developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all > developers will. > > Many good

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Russell L. Harris
The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather than Dvorak: = The precedent set by the first to market is powerful. = The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in discernment and addicted to novelty is deadly. Add to that extortion and bribes and a compromised

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 12:16 AM wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 02:45:37PM +1000, David wrote: > > On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 11:54 +0800, hlyg wrote: > > [...] > > > > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of > > > development? > > > > Because people don't have it hammered into

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Then it's almost certainly using dlopen() to load this shared library. dlopen(3) explains the missing gtk modules which (i assume) are not reported by ldd. But it does not explain why "file" and ldd now report something different than they reported a while ago. Have

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Hans
Which is not quite correct. As a hamradio (I am one), you are allowed to develop your very owh rf-devices. Transceivers, measure equipment, whatever you like. Many things, we are using today in consumer devices are first developed by radio amateurs (example shorthand "packet radio", which is

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread gene heskett
On 7/20/24 09:58, Larry Martell wrote: I’ve never owned a machine running windows in my life. I've owned one. I needed a lappy I could use with a gps for roadmap, had the then new XP on it, cleared the disk a week later and put mandrake on it because XP had no drivers that could run the

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicolas George
gene heskett (12024-07-20): > > If they were, you'd have support for software-defined radio signal > > processing in FFmpeg, for example. > Which the current rules for such does not allow, by FCC edicts, only sealed > FCC approved blobs are allowed to play in the rf field. > So don't blame the

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread George at Clug
On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 23:59 Hans wrote: > Hello, > > well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share? > > Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? Sure, more > developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all developers will. > > Many good

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread gene heskett
On 7/20/24 04:28, Nicolas George wrote: hlyg (12024-07-20): Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who develop more apps, The programmers who are attracted by market share are not necessarily the ones

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Hans
Hello, well, the thing is: Do we really want to go to more market share? Let's imagine, Debian becomes market relevant, what will happen? Sure, more developers get paid, what is very nice. But not all developers will. Many good developers will not be paid and when the market will rule things,

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Larry Martell
I’ve never owned a machine running windows in my life.

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 01:15:22 -0700, Van Snyder wrote: > > Van Snyder wrote: > > > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable > > > wants to > > > load a shared object library. https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/manpages-dev/dlopen.3.en.html > Am I losing my mind? > >

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 20/7/24 18:35, George at Clug wrote: On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 13:54 hlyg wrote: > crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens The CrowdStrike issue was not a Windows issue, it was a CrowdStrike issue. The problem did not affect our Windows computers as we have

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Jeff Pang
My reason to keep windows is that I can’t play Starcraft under Linux. -- Jeff Pang jeffp...@aol.com

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 5:50 AM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Van Snyder wrote: > > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable wants to > > load a shared object library. > > I doubt that it is possible to make a purely statical binary with no > references to .any so libraries. >

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-07-20, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 20 Jul 2024 16:57 +0800, from hlyg2...@outlook.com (hlyg): >> statistics about market share might come from web servers and game servers, >> they know how many users use linux and Windows. > > No. They at most can know what platform user agents report.

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-07-20, Michael Grant wrote: > OpenOffice is quite featureful, it is not 100% bug for bug compatible with > real MS Office products. I failed to read an old version word file on a newer word. And succeed with libreoffice. So yes it's not 100% bug compatible :) > choices. There is no

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Jul 2024 16:57 +0800, from hlyg2...@outlook.com (hlyg): > statistics about market share might come from web servers and game servers, > they know how many users use linux and Windows. No. They at most can know what platform user agents report. Which isn't necessarily the same thing at all.

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Jul 2024 17:25 +0800, from jeremy.ard...@gmail.com (jeremy ardley): >> A lot of paid-for programmer time isn't necessarily for what the >> individual programmer_wants_ to do. If one's employer dictates that >> their products should support Mac OS and Windows, for example, then >> there's

why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread DdB
Am 20.07.2024 um 05:54 schrieb hlyg: > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of development? I want to kickoff by reminding, that WHY questions are rarely useful, it is what small kidz are asking, when they want to learn, how to argue with adults. ;-) But approaching the topic

Re: Re[2]: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread George at Clug
Well said, Michael. On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 20:19 Michael Grant wrote: > My opinions only... > > 1) MS Office (Word/Excel/PPT/etc) has never been available for > Unix/Gnu-Linux. Word and Excel have long been 2 apps users require. > Not OpenOffice. While OpenOffice is quite featureful, it

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread George at Clug
On Saturday, 20-07-2024 at 13:54 hlyg wrote: > crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens The CrowdStrike issue was not a Windows issue, it was a CrowdStrike issue. The problem did not affect our Windows computers as we have not installed CrowdStrike software. I think

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread hlyg
On 7/20/24 15:02, Michel Verdier wrote: Linux is not on the market. I buy M$ but download debian. How can you say how many people is using debian? Once upon a time there was a linuxcounter... Thank tomas, Verdier and George! statistics about market share might come from web servers and game

Re: w4sp-lab

2024-07-20 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
[Enviado en directo tambien porque trata de Gmail - also sent direct because of Gmail] On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 02:29:15AM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote: > installing w4sp-lab and wireshark there are many errors and I can't install > it.. Querido Aleix, Que estas haciendo aqui? Has escrito muchas

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread jeremy ardley
On 20/7/24 16:56, Michael Kjörling wrote: On 20 Jul 2024 10:28 +0200, fromgeo...@nsup.org (Nicolas George): Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who develop more apps, The programmers who are

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-20 Thread didier gaumet
Le 19/07/2024 à 22:19, Halbrante a écrit : Le fichier xcession_errors est juste une copie de sauvegarde du fichier du fichier .xcession_errors au moment où je tente d'ouvrir une session. D'accord mais que contient ce fichier? et précédemment tu as fait un ls -l de ton répertoire, essaie

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 20 Jul 2024 10:28 +0200, from geo...@nsup.org (Nicolas George): >> Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable >> recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who >> develop more apps, > > The programmers who are attracted by market share are not

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Van Snyder wrote: > Am I losing my mind? Since this could mean a fatal end to the endeavor to run your program we should postpone this hypothesis until nearly everything else is outruled. > At first I had done "file LinuxSusser". It reported "Statically linked." > Just to be sure, I did

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Nicolas George
hlyg (12024-07-20): > Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable > recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who > develop more apps, The programmers who are attracted by market share are not necessarily the ones who are interested in developing

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Van Snyder
On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 09:31 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Van Snyder wrote: > > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable > > wants to > > load a shared object library. > > I doubt that it is possible to make a purely statical binary with no > references to .any

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread hlyg
Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who develop more apps, which attract more users. e.g. many vpn providers support Windows and android, not linux. linux can get distributed by word-of-mouth if it

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Van Snyder wrote: > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable wants to > load a shared object library. I doubt that it is possible to make a purely statical binary with no references to .any so libraries. (If it were generally possible, why then exist Flatpack and Snap

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread David
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 06:44, Van Snyder wrote: > On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 05:54 +, David wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 04:56, Van Snyder wrote: > > > I'm trying to run a 32-bit static executable on 64-bit Debian 12.5 > > > "bookworm." > > > > > > When I launch it, I get > > > > > >

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-20 Thread Halbrante
C'est xfce4 Le 20/07/2024 à 07:25, Testeur a écrit : Sur quel afficheur graphique es tu ? Il m'est arrivé d'avoir un souci sur xfce4, j'ai dû me recréer une session graphique neuve pour pouvoir me reconnecter. Possible que sur d'autres afficheurs graphique cela fasse pareil ?! Le 19

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-20 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2024-07-20, hlyg wrote: > i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows no doubt :) > according to some statistics linux has only 4% desktop market, 73% for MS, 15% > for MacOS Linux is not on the market. I buy M$ but download debian. How can you say how many people is using debian? Once

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Van Snyder
On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 05:54 +, David wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 04:56, Van Snyder > wrote: > > > I'm trying to run a 32-bit static executable on 64-bit Debian 12.5 > > "bookworm." > > > > When I launch it, I get > > > > ./LinuxSusser: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-19 Thread David
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 04:56, Van Snyder wrote: > I'm trying to run a 32-bit static executable on 64-bit Debian 12.5 "bookworm." > > When I launch it, I get > > ./LinuxSusser: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: > cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-19 Thread Testeur
Sur quel afficheur graphique es tu ? Il m'est arrivé d'avoir un souci sur xfce4, j'ai dû me recréer une session graphique neuve pour pouvoir me reconnecter. Possible que sur d'autres afficheurs graphique cela fasse pareil ?! Le 19 juillet 2024 22:22:45 GMT+02:00, Halbrante a écrit : >En fait,

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-19 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 02:45:37PM +1000, David wrote: > On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 11:54 +0800, hlyg wrote: [...] > > why free OS hasn't gained more share even after 30 years of > > development? > > Because people don't have it hammered into them via the educational > formats, it doesn't come

Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-19 Thread Van Snyder
I'm trying to run a 32-bit static executable on 64-bit Debian 12.5 "bookworm." When I launch it, I get ./LinuxSusser: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11- 2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Why is a static executable wanting to load a .so file?

Re: why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-19 Thread David
On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 11:54 +0800, hlyg wrote: > crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens > > it is evident that many people around still use Windows > > i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows > > according to some statistics linux has only 4% desktop market,

why reliable linux hasn't gained more market share?

2024-07-19 Thread hlyg
crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens it is evident that many people around still use Windows i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows according to some statistics linux has only 4% desktop market, 73% for MS, 15% for MacOS why free OS hasn't gained more

Re: Re: Webmin

2024-07-19 Thread Evelyn Escamilla
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Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-19 Thread David Wright
On Sat 20 Jul 2024 at 12:13:28 (+1200), Ash Joubert wrote: > On 2024-07-20 03:39, Celejar wrote: > > Thanks much! > [...] > > As per another message in this thread, I've already filed a bug against > > linux-image-6.9.9-amd64, but I suppose I should update the report with > > this information,

Re: umask - default user settings?

2024-07-19 Thread Max Nikulin
On 19/07/2024 10:45, songbird wrote: - Does MATE use scopes and services to run applications an components? "ps xwf" and "systemd-cgls" trees may clarify where started applications appear. neither of those show all the programs that i have included on the panels, but there are cgroups and

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread Max Nikulin
On 20/07/2024 05:25, Greg Wooledge wrote: #!/bin/sh echo "I am a.sh, and inside me, VAR=<$VAR>." A way to report a bit more information: cat /tmp/test.sh #!/bin/sh printf "%s: VAR %5s %10s value=<%s>\n" \ "$0" "${VAR+set}" "${VAR:+not empty}" "$VAR" /tmp/test.sh /tmp/test.sh: VAR

w4sp-lab

2024-07-19 Thread Aleix Piulachs
installing w4sp-lab and wireshark there are many errors and I can't install it..

Re: Kernel 6.9.9 (amd64) results in huge initrd / initramfs size

2024-07-19 Thread Ash Joubert
On 2024-07-20 03:39, Celejar wrote: Thanks much! [...] As per another message in this thread, I've already filed a bug against linux-image-6.9.9-amd64, but I suppose I should update the report with this information, indicating that it's not really a problem with that package. You are

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread pyh
On 2024-07-20 06:35, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 06:30:42 +0800, p...@gmx.it wrote: On 2024-07-20 06:25, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > I can not clearly understand for this statement. what's "future shell > > commands"? can you show an example? > > hobbit:~$ unset -v VAR >

Re: the usage of env

2024-07-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 06:30:42 +0800, p...@gmx.it wrote: > On 2024-07-20 06:25, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > > I can not clearly understand for this statement. what's "future shell > > > commands"? can you show an example? > > > > hobbit:~$ unset -v VAR > > hobbit:~$ VAR=bar; ./a.sh > > I am

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