Manoj Srivastava writes:
*Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a
certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level
3, killed in run level 2, and at *no* other level. See how this works?
Simple and elegant, but not very flexible. How
Britton writes:
When I watch the progress of the script (with minicom) it hangs after
CONNECT. I have tried responding with '\n' and '\r'. The script did not
come with the CONNECT line but it didn't work then either. Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Can you log in by hand via
Hamish Moffatt writes:
Similarly I have some ideas for some electronics packages (mostly related
to microcontrollers/microprocessors); there is one or two similar
packages at present; is there sufficient interest for me to do some?
I'm interested.
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Christian Lynbech writes:
This is only as an option in addition to a set of supertopics, such as
HELP, MAIL, X11 and MODEM.
They still have to understand that they must put a supertopic in the
Subject: line, figure out which one, and get it right. This is too
complicated. Most newbies will
Pierre Blanchet writes:
How about Deb-One (it's sound like debian, but built for one
special task, or just for one user) ?
I think that would tend to be interpreted as Debian number one.
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George Bonser writes:
All you would do is answer a set of basic questions:
Are you on a local network (LAN, most likely ethernet)?
Do you have a dial up internet connection?
Do you want a text-only system?
etc.
And a set of applications would be installed.
That is exactly what I had in
I think debian-help is a good idea, but I don't think debian-install is. I
think that most install questions come from new users, who won't know which
list to post to. Debian-help should be a mailing list, and new users
should be offered an opportunity to subscribe at install time. Newsgroups
George Bonser writes:
...cnews allows you to easilly spool a few groups to a neighbor via UUCP.
I also find it to require zero administration.
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Jason writes:
If this project goes further I would like to be involved as I have been
thinking about his for months.
So would I. The seul project seems to be heading in a direction I don't
want to go.
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Alec Clews writes:
If this is already a work in progress please let me know.
You might want to look at the seul project (http://www.seul.org/). They
are right now choosing between rpm and dpkg. They seem to be heading in
the direction of a totally new distribution which IMHO is a poor idea.
Manoj Srivastava writes:
Hacking sendmail.cf is a mindset. Once you get into it (lord help me,
I've been there), there is an elegant simplicity about the rules.
Perhaps someone who has gotten into sendmail could write a sendmail.cf
generator? I know about m4. It helps, but not enough.
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Mind letting us non-Win95 users know just what Mirabilis ICQ is, that we
should all want it on Linux?
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Ben Gertzfield writes:
Look in the stable/disks-i386 directory. There should be a lot of lovely
documentation in there. Also the README at the top of the CD should help
:)
However, the fact that Patrick couldn't figure it out should be taken as a
sign that something is wrong with that lovely
Ben Gertzfield writes:
I always make it a point to read the big README that flashes at me when I
pop in the CD; that README points you to the proper directory. Dunno why
Patrick missed it.
Neither do I. Perhaps he has had experience with some of the many CD's and
ftp sites where the README
How about Taurus, Accord, or Jetta? Do they mean anything about cars?
No... They're just names of products.
It's the same for Debian.
I thought that the name of the current product was Debian 1.31.
Not to mention that the codenames used in Debian are supposed to keep
people away from
Robert D. Hilliard writes:
Another criteria for code names - they should be short enough to be quick
and easy to type, thus minimizing typos. IMNSHO hamm is at least one
letter too long.
Ah. Well, that's easy, then. Just call them a, b, c,
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Antti-Juhani writes:
No. The name of the current product is bo.
Then why is it not being labeled and advertised as such?
If stable pointed to unreleased, it would make people confused.
Why would casual visitors ever notice that stable and internal-1.3.1
point to the same directory?
Let's
manoj writes:
I, on behalf of the Debian developers, apologize for the inconvenience
caused.
Thank you for admitting that the inconvenience exists. Perhaps the
developers could make an effort to avoid using the names outside the
developer list? It's not clear to me that anyone but the site
I wrote:
unreleased-1.3 and unreleased-2.0 would be more useful and less
confusing.
Rick Hawkins writes:
but not nearly so cool :)
If you say so. I just find them obscure.
besides, this way they stay buzz, bo, hamm, etc. after release, and the
symlinks for stable unstable are just
Buddha Buck writes:
Thus there are two good reasons why the distribution _name_ (be it rex or
bo or unreleased-1.3) shouldn't change.
Nor did I suggest that it should.
Because of that, it is good to choose names that don't reflect the
release status of the distribution.
But why is it good
I wrote:
But why is it good to choose names that don't reflect *anything*?
Scott K. Ellis writes:
They do, they are the codename for the version,...
What secrets are being protected by this code?
...similar to the codenames that Microsoft...
Oh. Well, if *Microsoft* does it, it *must* be a
Buddha Buck writes:
It was seen that one reason for this was that someone looking at the FTP
site, seeing a directory with a numbered version would think that that
version was ready for release. A policy decision was made to name
releases while in development, and only number them when
Shaya writes:
Actually, the part of the license which restricts it's use on Win95,
might not be valid w/ the GPL.
...
So who knows, that might mean that it's under the GPL only.
No. If they have released it under a modified GPL they may be infringing
the FSF's copyright on the GPL, but
George Bonser writes:
Ok, then why not adopt some default standard (Say PAP like windows does)
that you MAY CHANGE but for newbies, asks them what the phone number is,
what their password is and username and then sets the darned thing up to
act like Win95 does on a PPP login so that any ISP
Louis-Philippe Alain writes:
You want to know why I switched to Linux? Because Win95 was boring. I
think what makes Linux be Linux is the fact that it's not very user
friendly if you compare it to Win95. The nore it's hard to make a Linux
box running as you want, the more you learn.
There is
A. M. Varon writes:
Righto! linux treats you as a knowledgeable person, not some idiot who
does'nt know how to use an OS.
The truly knowledgeable person shares his knowledge. Why should we not
share our knowledge of how to configure ppp with new users? Do you want to
force them to go through
I wrote:
...it is clear from the questions being posted that not everyone knows to
do this. Looks like a documentation problem.
W. Paul Mills writes:
I am not so sure this is a documentation problem. More of a failure to
read.
Any time more than a very small minority of users are unable to
I wrote:
I guess the Debian developers are all nightowls. 7AM is *not* early enough
to be scheduling this sort of thing.
Kevin Dalley writes:
Since this is an entirely individual item which cannot please everybody,
I suggest that you change /etc/crontab to meet your needs.
I already have,
jim writes:
I don't know debian well enough to know which process is running find at
7AM in the morning,...
...
I would suggest that any jobs which are rebuilding databases as nobody
should be automatically niced to something that will allow X-windows to
work concurrently.
I guess the
fetchmail gets called out of ipup as root:
fetchmail -v -k 21 /tmp/pop.out
which does seem to read the mailbox correctly, exits with a zero return
code, but never delivers mail!! Furthermore, I can't seem to get any
output from deliver.
You must give fetchmail a -m option to tell it to
Andy Spiegl writes:
I read that when a disk has been running for a very long time it sort of
dug a ditch into the ball bearing. And when it spins up after a shutdown
chances are high it won't find that 'ditch' or stumbles across it and
fails.
You read wrong. I doubt anyone has made a disk
Kai writes:
How does fetchmail deal with mailing lists?
Poorly: that's the catch (according to the documentation: I've not tried
this).
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Christian writes:
I think you can still recover a file that's been overwritten once with
zeroes... just open the HD (in a clean room, of course) and read off the
sectors with a electron microscope (or something like that).
No need to open the drive. Just signal process the analog output from
Walter L. Preuninger II writes:
Is there any method of protecting the cables cards from lightning
damage? Several pc's and a 16 port concentrator died recently due to a
very close lightning strike.
Unplug everything and disconnect all long cables during thunderstorms.
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Joey Hess writes:
Accordint to the man page, it's based on IP address.
And this is supposed to make it unique? Somehow I suspect that mine is not
the only machine with IP 192.168.1.
/home/john hostid -v
Hostid is 8323328 (0x7f0100)
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Joost writes:
I think that it is however possible to fry hardware with linux: while
trying 1.3 I inserted a wrong module for the cdrom interface and it fried
the cdrom drive.
IMHO anything that can be truly fried in this way (that is, physically
damaged) is broken as designed.
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Heiko writes:
You should ask your provider for an UUCP account, this will show you the
qualification of your ISP.
I got my news and email via uucp for years. I'm not about to ask my
present ISP about it, though. They are the only ISP I can reach without a
long distance call, and view anyone
Eloy A. Paris writes:
I want to do what you are saying: have this main server accepting e-mail
from the world to users in my UUCP domains and transfer them to the
remote servers when the UUCP link starts.
Have you considered the multidrop option in fetchmail?
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... but what about sending messages from a disconneted site to the world?
Do what all us poor smucks who have only part-time dial-up connections do:
configure smail with smart_host=main server and queue_only, and
run smail -q from ip-up.
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George Bonser writes:
The disadvantage to fetchmail is that the sysadmin will need the
username/password of all of the pop3 boxes...
These need not be the same as the usernames and passwords that the users
use on the clients.
...and they are fetched individually.
You can put all the mail for
Randy writes:
I'd love to queue outgoing messages up and have ip-up send them off with
a smail -q command but looking through the man page and
/usr/doc/smail/guide/config I cannot find anything about this queue_only
option. Where should it go...
Put 'queue_only' in /etc/smail/config. This
stephen farrell writes:
My take on it was that it took the X server down in some nasty way. The
X server, of course, is running as root and thus should be more capable
of buggering the whole system.
Shouldn't happen, however...
The X server also has I/O privileges to the video card. If
I wrote:
I realize that it would use more disk space, but I really think that the
CD images should contain no links.
Francis C. Swasey writes:
I hope you mean no links out of the CD image itself.
Yes, that is what I meant.
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J. Goldman writes:
Sorry, I'm confused. What do you mean by the statement that you don't
want to be forced to activate it? Do you mean you'd like for your
machine *not* to load xdm on startup?
I suppose I should have said don't want to be tricked into activating it.
I was concerned that
Jim Pick writes:
I believe Bruce has some official CD images that would better to use for
the frozen (now stable) distribution. I think it's a 2 disk set.
Francis C. Swasey writes:
If those are the images in the dist (or is it dists??) directory, the
unstable one points at hamm, but hamm has
Is it possible to upgrade to 1.3 without installing xdm?
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I wrote:
Is it possible to upgrade to 1.3 without installing xdm?
Dwarf writes:
Yes. Why do you ask?
Because every X discussion I've seen here recently clearly presumes that
xdm is being used, and because the last time I upgraded my 1.2 installation
I was forced to create a dummy
joost witteveen writes:
Well, xdm comes with the xbase package, so, if you don't want to install
xdm, you'd have to live without X at all.
I've already got the damn thing installed. I just don't want to be forced
to activate it. X works just fine without it.
So, how about me selling the
Robert de Forest writes:
This is obviously more flexible, and since it's the same drive either
way, the only possible performance hit would be if the kernel made a
distinction.
Well, there's no performance hit at all if you never use the swap.
However, when I switched from a swap partition to
Lars Hallberg writes:
As I understands it this is a problem allot of peple on this list have
and I wonder: Do You know a way to 'cleanly' configuer diald/pppd? Or do
You know a less expensiv/ugly workaround?
Have you tried request-route?
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I just downloaded OpenDOS. Ironically, it comes in a self-extracting
archive which requires MSDOS. No problem, I've got dosemu, right? Problem
is, the hdimage is too small. The doc's suggest that a tool called mkdexe
will do the job, but it seems to be missing. A web search failed to turn
it
Francois Gouget writes:
Unfortunately in some cases it is not so simple to check for space
availability as /var may be on one partition, /usr on another and /lib
yet somewhere else.
Should be doable. df to get all the partitions and their capacities, df
/var, df /usr, etc to get the
Lamar Folsom writes:
Does this mean that each package will have to list the space it requires
in every directory...
It would be sufficient to provide the complete path and size of each file.
...and the packaging software will figure out if each of those
directories is on a separate
Adam Shand writes:
This is *just* to get newbies installed and working. I'd do something
like have 3 options. A developement box (nothing but baisc utilities and
compilers),...
How many newbies are going to want this?
...a network box (basic utilities and networking stuff, including
Martin Schulze writes:
...there's already a notice that the only installed editor is called ae.
Where?
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Miquel van Smoorenburg writes:
Ed, man! !man ed
...
Computer Scientists love ed
...
RUNS ED!!
...
...the mighty ed...
...
Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!
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THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
Teco.
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Alexander writes:
When booting the floppy is accessed (*schrab* *schrab*) and then the hard
drive is read and my old lilo turns up. Well, I tried 4 discs that were
ok (Just checked at my other computer here, usual checks says nothing), 4
new discs.
I went through eight discs the other day
Franz J Fortuny writes:
It would be great is someone came up with the STRAIGHT FORWARD way of
doing this.
I'm working on it :)
Yes: there must be about 4 variations.
If only it was that simple. There is really no upper limit.
Please, simply post a message explaining the content of the
Ron Nelson writes:
I have pulled this image down from both ftp.debian.org and ftp.cdrom.com,
and used different floppy disks as well.
How many different floppies did you try? The other day I had to make a new
rescue disk. I went through *eight* floppies before I found one that
worked.
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I wrote:
But why is it undocumented?
Philippe Troin writes:
This file is in /usr/lib, it's an internal command. It's most likely
you'll never have to use it by hand. It's hence undocumented.
Not a good reason. It should be documented somewhere, even if only with a
line or two in the updatedb
Philippe Troin writes:
Do you also want every package to document why every file it installs is
there, and its meaning ? [[[BIG SMILEY :-) ]]].
Yes (no smiley). Readable files such as configuration files and shell
scripts can be largely self-documenting, but yes, I think every file should
be
Raja R Harinath writes:
locatedb(5) has the following:
...
...
Ok. IMHO it should be mentioned in updatedb(1L) since updatedb calls it,
but that's nitpicking. At least it is documented, and updatedb itself
provides a usage example.
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Phil. writes:
This command is used by updatedb to compress the locate database.
Don't worry about it :-)
You could have done:
$ dpkg -S frcode
findutils: /usr/lib/locate/frcode
But why is it undocumented?
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Lars Hallberg writes:
I think smail refuses to rewrite the from: field.
Putting
from_field=From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ($fullname)
in /etc/smail/config works for me.
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Has anyone gotten qddb working under Debian 1.2?
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I discovered that something was setting some totally useless information
in the TERMCAP environment variable.
I had the same problem, but didn't know it came from TERMCAP. I see it in
X, not in vc's. I just checked: TERMCAP is set to co#92:li#47: in xterms,
but undefined in a vc. My xterms
David Gaudine writes:
When I try to configure ppp I get:
Setting up ppp (2.2.0f-19) ...
chown: root.dip: invalid group
dpkg: error processing ppp (--configure):
I ran into that recently with diald. Turned out to be a typo in
/etc/group.
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Well, I upgraded, from 1.1 to 1.2 (Cheap Bytes CDROM). I did the base
first, and that worked fine. The rest, however, did not go quite so well.
Tcsh refused to upgrade: I'll figure out what's wrong there one of these
days. I'm fairly sure I did not mark maelstrom for removal, but it's just
a
Marsh writes:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think ATT System V ever ran
on 286s.
You may be correct, but Unix did not start with System V.
Xenix, Minix, and Coherent are the main derivatives I can think of that
ran on 286s.
Xenix is real licensed Unix, as is SCO. There was
Carl Johnson writes:
The system did use the 286 protected mode, so it had full memory
management. You could use more than 64K of memory, but it was a pain
since you had to compile using Intel large model.
And I walked 12 miles to school, uphill *both* ways :)
I had (still have) an Onyx with
Craig writes:
No Linux will ever work on an xt or a 286. They are missing neccessary
bits of hardware called a MMU which protects the memory. A 386SX is the
minimum.
The 8088 used in the XT is lacking an MMU, but the 80286 used in the AT is
not. Several versions of Unix were available for
Craig Small writes:
I don't think the variations in ppp servers (or ISPs) are insurmountable;
perhaps someone should look and see how some ms-windows programs get
around this problem.
I think the ISP's usually supply a program for MS.
I may be sticking my neck out, but here it goes:
Please
Greg Vence writes:
The minimum Linux requirement is a 386. If you have some kind of upgrade
chip/package to allow the XT to use a 386, then yes. Else, no. I
believe one reason is its a 32-bit PROTECTED mode OS. I don't believe
that the 286 chip has that feature available.
The XT used an
Joe Emenaker writes:
I'd begin to entertain the idea that I was out in left field if the
install guide even simply MENTIONED something like Oh, if you want to
use PPP, go read this other document first
Well, you weren't. Is anyone about to start a project to solve this
problem? I'm
Paul writes:
This is getting pretty boring, with all the silly ranting and
raving.
Looks like discussion to me. Use your killfile.
For Pete's sake, the Debian guys didn't create PPP in the first place!
Take it to those that did, if you're really that stuck!
By that standard, we should
Jason Costomiris writes:
1) cat /usr/bin/pon
Looked at it, saw it uses /etc/ppp.chatscript
Why did you have to this? Is there no documentation?
2) vi /etc/ppp.chatscript
No configuration script either?
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William Chow writes:
What's the solution, you ask? Get PPP connections standardized.
That is the ultimate solution, but in the mean time we could supply some
examples. It doesn't seem like an insurmountable problem to document the
five most common arrangements, for example.
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Gary Lee writes:
I would be lovely if PPP could figure out how to connect to the ISP and
what I want to do with it--without me telling it...
That may not be possible without more standardization. It should be
possible ot make it easier, though.
(but thats not FUN).
Fighting with
Andrew Martin Adrian Cater writes:
If your friend has email and news: READ THE NEWSGROUPS. Lurk for a
week/month or two,so that before you rush in you'll see the FAQ's, see
where the problems are.
And if he doesn't have net access? And has no friends with Linux? Saying
that mailing lists
Santiago Vila writes:
On the Debian mirrors, there is a file named README.non-US saying:
Great. Now, why doesn't this file have a link named README.pgp?
Why do you expect someone looking for pgp to look in README.non-us?
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Craig writes:
IT IS NOT DIFFICULT AT ALL TO GET PPP WORKING ON DEBIAN.
More generally, it is not difficult at all to get PPP working on any of
the Linux distributions I've worked with.
It is not difficult for you or me to get PPP working. It *is* difficult
for many people. There is a real
How is this thing being scored? Do you win by exploring a larger fraction
of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key? While the
probability of any given group finding the key is proportional to the
fraction of the keyspace explored by that group, it could be found by
anybody. The
Ed writes:
...once I had a working system of X/lesstif/latex/gcc and a lot of utils
I couldn't see the point in upgrading.
That's fine if you never intend to add any new packages. If you do,
eventually you will be forced to upgrade do to changes in libc, the kernel,
perl, etc. It is my
Ed writes:
As I understand it 'rex' still contains all the packages (that were
available then) as they were at the release of 1.2.0.
By new packages I meant ones which were not available in old releases.
So if you installed 1.2.0 you can still add new packages from there
without upgrade
Craig writes:
If you dont have a good net connection, I'd recommend getting a freshly
burned CD with unstable on it once a month and upgrading from that.
In other words, if you don't have plenty of money, don't use Debian.
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Ami Ganguli writes:
I'd like to see a standard for support questions that has people put
keywords in the subject line.
By the time they understand the standard they aren't newbies anymore. How
about a form for them to fill out on the web page? Then post the filled
out form to a list
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